Goku's mother...appearing soon?!

[ChiChiFan]

I'm definitely checking for this. I always who as Goku's mother.

[dbgtFO]

Toriyama has said, he doesn't feel comfortable making stories about weak women and always want them to have a strong personality, so it will be interesting to see how he ends up depicting her.
Surely she will not be the kind of person, who can't stand up for herself.

[TonyTheTiger]

I tend to subscribe to a "death of the author" view on these things because of how they can easily change when nothing has been published. Until someone actually produces something with this character I'm going to take Gine as a mere idea by the guy who happened to write the story.

That being said, I hope they go through with it. Goku's mother has been a conspicuous omission for too long. But I'm not sure how I feel about Bardock and Gine's relationship being special among the Saiyans. Sure, they were imperialistic and ruthless but we know that they have loyalty to each other. So to describe Bardock and Gine as having a relationship that is particularly romantic comes off as more backpedaling designed to turn Bardock into a tragic hero. The more we hear about him, the more pleasant they become.

[Gyt Kaliba]

I highly doubt her going to work at a meat facility is meant to be viewed as 'being sent to the kitchen'...though in a horrible way, that does fit.

And uh...let's not forget that females in Dragon Ball are generally only there to either A) be humorous sex appeal, or B) make more male characters. Hate to say it, but if you're worried about that being the case with Gine, it's...already kinda par for the course. Dragon Ball has never really used it's female characters very well, outside of Bulma (and even she falls into this trap), and Android 18 while she's a villain (as soon as she's a hero, look where she's delegated).

[DBZGTKOSDH]

But you opinion & Toei's TV Special contradict Toriyama's Jaco, and I place Toriyama above Toei or fans when it comes to the manga. What you say applies to the anime, not to the manga.

Toriyama:

Yes, Bardock certainly was born from the anime.

However, I don’t remember the particulars of how it went at that time

I don’t recall a lot about the exact contents of the anime, but I do remember it being quite well done. So I used that setting in the main story, as well.

For me, two things can be handled here. 1st: Toriyama is careless and forgets some thinks as always. 2nd: He wanted to ignore the Bardock's TV special in which he was involved ( that's crazy ).

Toriyama just took the Bardock from the TV Special, and made his own version of Bardock in the manga & his mind, because he is the holy creator.

No it's not. Both are babies. Not a big difference. Had Goku been 5 or 6 maybe. But 0 and 2? Not a big deal.

I fail to understand who this Goku looks like a freaking baby.

N..no is doesn't. It's a different style/artist. He just drew Vegeta differently with his head. Hell look at Kid Goku's hair and compare it to Adult Goku. They're not exactly the same either. Kid Goku hair looks more wild. Just a different art style or Vegeta cut his hair.

There is a difference between different style and different hair. Vegeta had different hair, not different art style.

Bardock wasn't promoted. So he was indeed still Low Class. It's like Naruto leaving and returning a Gennin. Bardock most likely was to busy fighting and healing to be promoted.

Yeah, but if someone asked Kishimoto about how strong Naruto is, I don't see him saying "he is a very strong genin", he would say "even though he is still a genin, he is currently one of the most powerful shinobi". Toriyama was asked about Bardock's battle power, not his rank. He said he hadn't thought of a number, but he is in the high ranks of low-class Saiyans, and that he isn't a mid-class. He wanted to give us an idea of how strong Bardock was in his mind, not to inform us about his rank.

Saiyan instinct. It's not the first time this happen. Saiyans are born to fight. Something like that. Haven't that been said quite a few times?

Yes, and Goku still kept the Saiyan instict, since he loves training & fighting & getting stronger (& eating). What Goku lost with his memories was his teachings from the Saiyans to be heartless & a killer. Then Son Gohan replaced them with good morals & stuff.

[Ryuman]

Yes, and Goku still kept the Saiyan instict, since he loves training & fighting & getting stronger (& eating). What Goku lost with his memories was his teachings from the Saiyans to be heartless & a killer. Then Son Gohan replaced them with good morals & stuff.

Oooo, I like that! Never thought about it quite like that before, so, to me, you've definitely hit something there to think about.

[SingleFringe&Sparks]

Well, on the flipside, maybe she was reckless and always rushed first into battle, not giving herself time to assess her opponents, which in turn lead to Bardock always having to "save" her.

I guess if she was like GT pan or Long-hair Videl: being irrational, childish and headstrong but often overestimating herself I could see that being a decent Saiyan character. If she was some sort of Saiyan tsundere (a rather popular growing anime cliche archtype now) I could see where things could go, if she was the ancestor of Pan in some spiritual way but her alledged "gentleness" might not be portrayed with her having anny sense of self-confidence or determination, I'm afriad shes going to be like Hinata Hyuga.

I tend to subscribe to a "death of the author" view on these things because of how they can easily change when nothing has been published. Until someone actually produces something with this character I'm going to take Gine as a mere idea by the guy who happened to write the story.

I feel that Akira's retirement has given a lot of room for fanfic to influence the direction of the series, now that hes forgotten most of what he even remembers to be canon gives a little too much room. For some reason I doubt Akira was the one that thought of the SSJgod and Gine idea but rather it be fanfic ideas his editors are throwning around from their perspective and trying to coax Akira into green-lighting it. (SSJGod was pitched to him and originally going to have huge broly muscles and a cape until Akira had to step in with a "hell-no."

Pretty much now we get to like Ooshi's Bardock Fangirlism is suddenly making Bardock more important than he originally was. Not saying its a bad thing but fans dont usually consider how an idea can help or hurt the overall series but only see through what they personally want to see happen. Episode of Bardock is evidence of this. She also created Tarble to my belief as well.

[Gyt Kaliba]

I'm afriad shes going to be like Hinata Hyuga.

Hey, I like Hinata. She's grown to have quite a lot more backbone than she did at first, certainly more endearing than Sakura is, at least for me.

...Oh, right, Dragon Ball board. Carry on.

On topic-ish, I'm really hoping we get an English physical volume announced for Jaco pretty soon.

She also created Tarble to my belief as well.

Nah, order of events don't work for that really. The manga version of the JSAT didn't come until after the anime, so Table was already established before she even came into play.

[i'mfuckingevil]

So you are telling me these are fake?

http://www.dragonballgt.it/ajax.php?&I'm ... imgs]=show
http://images4.fanpop.com/image/photos/ ... 12-195.jpg

And while we're at it, what DID he say about Episode of Barduck? Coz I think it sucked.

[Ryuman]

so you telling me these
*snip*
are fake?

Well... Yes. They are fanworks.

[SingleFringe&Sparks]

Hey, I like Hinata. She's grown to have quite a lot more backbone than she did at first, certainly more endearing than Sakura is, at least for me.

So do I but I only use her as an example of a "gentle" kidnap-bait character personality that wouldn't fit Dragonball-Z's context especially for a Saiyan. A Saiyan can be gentle as in not social-pathic like Turles or Nappa but they still have to have their race's instincts and warrior mindset. They arent human, they are space barbarians with simplistic desires and simple-minds like most animals. Having good sayians = complete pussies is just out of their established nature, and makes them useless to the narrative. Even SSJ-2 Kid-Gohan when his Saiyan instincts awoke was violent, arrogant and smug as they all are. Bardock at times is as well (more so in the games) and thus so should Gine to some extent. She doesnt have to be violent but atleast have some sort of Saiyan arrogance like Kid-Trunks has at his least. Goku and Goten only lack it because they were raised solely by gentle humans but still love to fight and hate being bored.If I were to compare Gine to any parallel personality type in naruto she should be like Sakura: weak, gentle, but still has a hot-head (when yelling at Naruto), it only makes sense in that way to me if we want to fit atleast some comprpmise with the continuity.

while were at it, wat DID he say about episode of barduck coz i think it sucked

It did because it felt pointlesslly redundant and gives Bardock more relativity to Goku's foreshadow than needed. Him going SSJ just pushed it to unecessary points and further lessened the mystery to the form. Bardock could have easily beat Chilled without the boost.

[KentalSSJ6]

so you telling me these




are fake?















and while were at it, wat DID he say about episode of barduck coz i think it sucked

You are gonna have a hell of a time reading up on the various posts and pages on this forum. You'll get the general swing of things soon enough.

[Ryuman]

So, being an idiot, I only just realised that this bonus manga is probably going to drawn by Toriyama. Man, that makes me even more excited. Does anyone think this will have colour pages at all?

[B]

I was under the impression it was an extension of Jaco; I'm expecting a couple new pages and not a full blown chapter. It'd be cool to be proven wrong, tough.

[Ryuman]

I was under the impression it was an extension of Jaco; I'm expecting a couple new pages and not a full blown chapter. It'd be cool to be proven wrong, tough.

Well, the translation for the interview says "bonus comic", so I'd assume it'd be its own thing in the back of the book. I prefer a more self-contained story for this anyway.

[TheDevilsCorpse]

I don't believe Jaco had any color besides promotional artwork and the first title page, so I'm not sure I'd see the special "chapter" getting any color either. I would love it if we got to see Toriyama's intended color scheme for Gine though...front or back of the volume at least...please?

[Ryuman]

I don't believe Jaco had any color besides promotional artwork and the first title page, so I'm not sure I'd see the special "chapter" getting any color either. I would love it if we got to see Toriyama's intended color scheme for Gine though...front or back of the volume at least...please?

A special title page, perhaps?

[KentalSSJ6]

I don't believe Jaco had any color besides promotional artwork and the first title page, so I'm not sure I'd see the special "chapter" getting any color either. I would love it if we got to see Toriyama's intended color scheme for Gine though...front or back of the volume at least...please?

The artist in you flaring up again?

[TheDevilsCorpse]

The artist in you flaring up again?

I just don't want to have to guess at it, then end up getting some sort of colored artwork of her a year from now in a new DB Guidebook or something and have it completely different than what I imagined. I want to cut back on my workload, not increase it.

[TheGmGoken]

I fail to understand who this Goku looks like a freaking baby.

A Saiyan baby yes. In the special when he was 0 he looked older than Baby Gohan and Goten. Seeing as Goku size didn't change until he was 18(17 or 16 off screen?). I have no issue with this. Just change Goku's age and BAM no issues.

There is a difference between different style and different hair. Vegeta had different hair, not different art style.

There's time when SSJ had different hair(*Cough* SSj2 Gohan or SSJ Gohan vs Dabura*Cough*). Yet we don't same it breaks canon. It's HAIR not like he was white in BoG and Black in the special. Vegeta could have easily got his hair cut off or it was still growing. Also the special came out BEFORE Vegeta made the statement about hair. Sorta like the whole "If you die when you die you cease to exist" type of thing. Would't call it a plot hole. More or less more examples of Toriyama writing as he goes along. Hell compare Kid Goku's hair to Adult Goku's. They look different. At times they look the same(Even the manga). But they're are time when Kid Goku has more hair and is wilder than Adult Goku. So perhaps Vegeta hair as a kid also got "wild" at times.

Yeah, but if someone asked Kishimoto about how strong Naruto is, I don't see him saying "he is a very strong genin", he would say "even though he is still a genin, he is currently one of the most powerful shinobi". Toriyama was asked about Bardock's battle power, not his rank. He said he hadn't thought of a number, but he is in the high ranks of low-class Saiyans, and that he isn't a mid-class. He wanted to give us an idea of how strong Bardock was in his mind, not to inform us about his rank.

Going by how Kishimoto conduct his interviews(Just read the majority of them) he tends to be a little smart-assish. Not a douche. But more or less a cool smartass that you could hang with. He would most likely say "Naruto likes to tries his hardest to be the best! He's a very strong genin and will always strive to be Hokage!". Sounds pretty similar to what Toriyama said IMO.

Yes, and Goku still kept the Saiyan instict, since he loves training & fighting & getting stronger (& eating). What Goku lost with his memories was his teachings from the Saiyans to be heartless & a killer. Then Son Gohan replaced them with good morals & stuff.

Exactly. Never had a Saiyan showed mercy and had a "Heart". More or less they was assholes who fight and killed. Also correct Son Gohan replaced them. But Goku didn't get his "Good-ness" from his mother. Gohan taught him.

I'm afraid shes going to be like Hinata Hyuga.

Why afraid? Hinata is awesome! Not had she been like EARLY Part 1 Sakura then...we would have some issues(even though I love Sakura). But Hinata is awesome and cool. She plays the underdog role and kind hearted character better than most.

So you are telling me these are fake?

http://www.dragonballgt.it/ajax.php?&I'm ... imgs]=show
http://images4.fanpop.com/image/photos/ ... 12-195.jpg

And while we're at it, what DID he say about Episode of Barduck? Coz I think it sucked.

Isn't....it obvious that it's fake?