Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

[Gyt Kaliba]

Honestly, I feel it should work, but...I have a sinking feeling it won't, simply because of the way the panel of him actually throwing the Kienzan is drawn. It looks all dramatic, and that COULD just be for effect...but it could also be an easy setup for 'HE DID IT, IT'S GOING TO WO - ...CRAP!'.

[rereboy]

Well, I'll be damned... He really did it. This better work, or at least, there better be a good excuse for it not working. I mean, how often is it we get to see our protagonists outmatched completely in brawn but still managing a win because they actually used their heads?

Considering how it failed agaisnt Oozaru Vegeta and Freeza, despite the attack being launched from their backs (their blindspot), there's really no good reason for it to work. Zarbon is still much faster than Krillin or any of his attacks (this Krillin didn't even have his potential released) and Zarbon can still at least hear the attack or assume that he will be attacked and move.

[TheDevilsCorpse]

If Kuririn really wanted this to work without a chance of failure, he should have just formed the Kienzan with his hand right next to Zarbon's head. Slice and dice as soon as it appears.

[TheGmGoken]

About damn time a fanfic did that combo. Honestly shocked it never happened...

[TonyTheTiger]

"I have another surprise."
KIENZAN!

[RandomGuy96]

Zarbon should be able to easily dodge it even while blind.

What?He is one meter away from him.

How far away was Freeza? And remember that the gap between that version of Freeza and Krillin is smaller than the gap between Zarbon and Krillin here.

[dprez]

I will be shocked and will lol if this works. This is obviously a poke to the fan base that whined over Kuririn never trying this combo on namek. Kuririn is still sitting at 1,500, a blind Zarbon should have the reflexes to dodge this. If only Kuririns potential was unlocked this Kienzan would have more oomph and a better chance of hitting Zarbon.

This skirmish has gone on long enough for Nail to swoop in and save the day. Although having Nail take out both Dodoria and Zarbon seams anticlimactic, Vegeta did the same so not so much really. This is just shorter so it seams like that.

[RandomGuy96]

I will be shocked and will lol if this works. This is obviously a poke to the fan base that whined over Kuririn never trying this combo on namek. Kuririn is still sitting at 1,500, a blind Zarbon should have the reflexes to dodge this. If only Kuririns potential was unlocked this Kienzan would have more oomph and a better chance of hitting Zarbon.

This skirmish has gone on long enough for Nail to swoop in and save the day. Although having Nail take out both Dodoria and Zarbon seams anticlimactic, Vegeta did the same so not so much really. This is just shorter so it seams like that.

Actually Krillin would be somewhere above 1,770. Isn't he wearing a weighted shirt when Zarbon says that there are two powers of "around 1,500?"

[TonyTheTiger]

Remember that it isn't entirely an issue of whether or not someone can dodge the Kienzan. It has as much to do with whether or not they think they need to. Krillin throwing out attacks that his opponent can easily tank and then following it with something they can't is actually a viable tactic. Besides, even in terms of dodging ability, consider that Freeza barely managed to do it. And that's Freeza. In fact, Freeza may only have dodged because he just happened to have a similar technique in his arsenal.

[Kingdom Heartless]

Add that to the fact that the others weren't distracted by burning eyes.

[dario03]

Either it works and they could sorta throw in a TFS refrence "Hmmm, Guess I could of used that a lot earlier and kept us from taking a beating". I know everybody loves TFS refrences put into everything
Or Zarbon goes "I can still hear you" and blasts Krillin and the Kienzan to smithereens.
Or go anti climatic and have Zarbon dodge it and they run or Nail shows up and finishes the job.

But how long is this special supposed to be? I'm thinking it works simply based on time constraint. They still have to show what happens with the Ginyus and then Goku showing up.

[TheOverlyMadHatter]

But how long is this special supposed to be? I'm thinking it works simply based on time constraint. They still have to show what happens with the Ginyus and then Goku showing up.

Supposedly, the special is supposed to last two chapters, which should be followed by another flashback chapter, probably making it the longest wait for the actual tournament to chronologically resume, aside from the time when pages were released weekly.

A pet-peeve of mine with this fanmanga is the emphasis it has on its special chapters. I acknowledge that, yes, the specials are essential to exposing the backgrounds of each universe, and some of them are indeed interesting, but making more of them than the main chapters seems kind of... counter-productive? Especially when the specials end up longer than them.

[FoolsGil]

Its too bad knowing they are going to be violently murdered in this special, we're seeing sides of Krillin we've only dreamed of.

[miguelnuva1]

Vegeta heard the attack and Frieza lost his tail. Zarbon will die if Kuririn brings out the destructo disk.

[Hellspawn28]

Either Zarbon doges the attack or Nail shows up then rips his heart out.

[rereboy]

Besides, even in terms of dodging ability, consider that Freeza barely managed to do it. And that's Freeza. In fact, Freeza may only have dodged because he just happened to have a similar technique in his arsenal.

Freeza managed to do it when he thought that Krillin was dead and when he was focusing on Gohan. His attack was completely unexpected. But Zarbon will expect Krillin to attack him now (unless he is stupid).

The solar flare technique actually ruins any chance of a surprise hit. Any fighter that receives it will be preoccupied in being attacked while the blindness lasts, so they will pay attention to their surroundings the best they can, especially by focusing on hearing and on their instincts. So the combo can only actually work when the opponent doesn't have the reflexes and speed to evade the attack while temporarily blind or when the opponent is arrogant enough to let himself be hit by an unknown attack (that will probably be the best attack of the adversary) while in a vulnerable position.

In the situations that we saw in the manga, the opponents weren't blind, but they were attacked from their blind spots (from their backs) and the attack had the element of surprise going for it. With this combo, they are temporarily blind, so every direction is a blind spot, but there's no element of surprise whatsoever, they know they will probably be attacked with what will probably be the best attack of the adversary (unless they are stupid).

[TonyTheTiger]

Even if Zarbon knows he's going to be attacked, that doesn't inform him of any special properties the attack may have. The only people who dodged the Kienzan knew they had to. Nappa was going to try to tank the thing. Vegeta, being one of the more clever characters, was astute enough to figure out the trick. And Freeza can perform the same attack so that explains his understanding of its function. Both of them knew what it was capable of when it was thrown at them. Zarbon, as far as we know, doesn't. Again, it's not just about if they can dodge it but whether they know they have to.

[rereboy]

Again, it's not just about if they can dodge it but whether they know they have to.

Like I said, in order for the combo to work, the opponent has to be arrogant / stupid enough to not consider that it might be dangerous to receive what it will probably be the deadliest attack of his opponent while he's in a vulnerable position. They don't have to know it will be dangerous, they have to be arrogant / stupid enough to assume that it CAN'T possibly be dangerous.

Someone like Nappa would probably not dodge it since he tried to tank the attack on Earth and since he's not very smart at all. But a smarter fighter would have a higher chance of realizing that it might be dangerous to not try to dodge an ultimate attack on that situation and be able to dodge it.

Either that, or the opponent has to lack the speed, reflexes and instincts to be able to dodge it.

In short, I'm not saying that it can't work, I'm just saying that's its nowhere near a done deal as many fans seem to think.

[TheOverlyMadHatter]

Well, unless Nail shows up soon and takes care of him, it should probably hit. I'd be much more inclined towards a Kienzan+Taiyouken combo killing him than Nail just showing up and leaving the Grand Elder unguarded. They need cram a lot of information into this chapter, so I think it'd be natural for things be developing a bit fast. Unless they're saving this slaughter and destruction of Freeza's capital for another time, which wouldn't be a surprise, since that seems like a lot to fit into a single chapter if we've only gotten this far.

[Mystic Buu]

God damnit!Why?Why?