When was Gohan a SS2 in Boo arc (again)

[Son_Gohan]

They don't have to include everything. Gohan's Super Saiyan form was special in the Cell Games arc because he had just achieved it, and apparently they also wanted to point out that he'd mastered it just like Goku (who also got a Cell Games-specific SSJ listing for that reason).

But they don't list Goku or Vegeta's Super Saiyan 1 form for the Boo arc either. Because for the Boo arc, Super Saiyan 1 is now the norm and Super Saiyan 2 is the new big special thing that's worth making a listing for. Goku's SSJ2 gets a listing because it's new for him, and with it he reclaimed the top spot in the power ranks again. Vegeta's SSJ2 isn't specifically mentioned because his power-up from Bobbidi is more important, but his 'Prince of Destruction' entry at least mentions that his power boost let him match SSJ2 Goku. Teenage Gohan's SSJ2 is mentioned because it was noted as weaker several times throughout the arc.

So they included a listing for a stage that Gohan never even used in battle, in contrast to one that would’ve appeared at least 7 times in the Majin Buu arc and played a far greater role in pivotal events, supposedly? If they had written it with that in mind, wouldn’t a “High School Era Super Saiyan 1” listing have been more deserving of that page space, as Vegeta’s “Prince of Destruction” listing was more deserving than “Super Saiyan 2”?

It doesn’t make sense, and the description wouldn’t have it make sense either. Why go with an interpretation that’s full of holes? Is it by pure coincidence that a succeeding volume happened to validate its reason for being included in a previous book? I don’t think so. The books itself are shown to be sound in that regard, the only thing that creates conflict are the preconceived views being inflicted on its material. You wouldn’t come to those same conclusions if you hadn’t formed an opinion from reading the manga first. The books itself aren’t to be discredited out of your own subjective interpretations.

In the manga, every Super Saiyan form has its own aura, and D2 acknowledges this, since it mentions the new aura of Goku being a trait of the Super Saiyan Full Power form.

Super Saiyan
Super Saiyan Grade 2
Super Saiyan Grade 3
Super Saiyan Full Power
Super Saiyan 2
Super Saiyan 3

And while the SS aura is slightly different from Freeza arc to Boo arc, and the same thing happened with the SS2 aura from Cell arc to Boo arc, it's most likely because of Toriyama's evolving style, since they are still more or less the same. The auras are consistently different between each forms, except for a few panels, and the controversial Gohan scenes.

It's a guess. If Cell has the new aura, then he should be a "Super Saiyan Full Power" as well, meaning that he was around for more time than Present Cell was.

That wouldn’t explain why Trunks’ aura would be so radically different from what it was a few days ago if it were in fact the same form.

Piccolo was drawn with the Super Saiyan aura as well, that doesn’t make him a Super Saiyan. Nor are Cell and Piccolo depicted to have transformed as when Saiyans have them.

To relieve you from any further guesswork, the point being expressed is that Toriyama has demonstrated he can change things like auras at a whim without giving any explicit in-universe explanation. So in the questionable case of Buu arc Gohan, it’s really not anything new. Narrowing it down to only in-universe applications is just being short-sighted.

[kuartus4]

That wouldn’t explain why Trunks’ aura would be so radically different from what it was a few days ago if it were in fact the same form.

Piccolo was drawn with the Super Saiyan aura as well, that doesn’t make him a Super Saiyan. Nor are Cell and Piccolo depicted to have transformed as when Saiyans have them.

To relieve you from any further guesswork, the point being expressed is that Toriyama has demonstrated he can change things like auras at a whim without giving any explicit in-universe explanation. So in the questionable case of Buu arc Gohan, it’s really not anything new. Narrowing it down to only in-universe applications is just being short-sighted.

Trunks' aura from the Cell games to his return to the future is basically the same.

Here is a close up of his aura from the Cell games:

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Looks like the usual Mssj aura.

Again the Cell games aura:

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Compare to the aura Trunks has at the bottom right corner here vs future 17:

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Basically the same thing.

[Son_Gohan]

Trunks' aura from the Cell games to his return to the future is basically the same.

Based on the fact you were able to post those pages I would assume you have access to the rest of the chapter.

SSJ Trunks’ appearance in the Cell Games constitutes more than just 2 panels:

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When I said “Trunks’ aura” that wasn’t referring to a few carefully selected panels, but how it is portrayed in those events overall. If you’re able to compare those instances in general and tell me that they’re basically the same, then I know you’re not being truthful.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

That wouldn’t explain why Trunks’ aura would be so radically different from what it was a few days ago if it were in fact the same form.

As I posted, Super Saiyan Full Power has 2 aura types, and as kuartus4 just showed us, Trunks displayed the SSFP aura in the Cell Games as well.

Piccolo was drawn with the Super Saiyan aura as well, that doesn’t make him a Super Saiyan. Nor are Cell and Piccolo depicted to have transformed as when Saiyans have them.

Piccolo was a Super Namekian when he had an aura, and Cell displayed his own versions of SS, SSG3, SSFP, and SS2, along with 2 extra forms (Full Power & Power-Weighted). The Cell Jrs also had SSFP auras.

To relieve you from any further guesswork, the point being expressed is that Toriyama has demonstrated he can change things like auras at a whim without giving any explicit in-universe explanation. So in the questionable case of Buu arc Gohan, it’s really not anything new. Narrowing it down to only in-universe applications is just being short-sighted.

The SS aura is slightly different from Freeza arc to Boo arc, and the same happened to the SS2 aura from Cell arc to Boo arc, but they is still the same idea behind them: the SS aura is flame-like, while the SS2 aura is intense with sparks.

Based on the fact you were able to post those pages I would assume you have access to the rest of the chapter.

SSJ Trunks’ appearance in the Cell Games constitutes more than just 2 panels:

Spoiler:

When I said “Trunks’ aura” that wasn’t referring to a few carefully selected panels, but how it is portrayed in those events overall. If you’re able to compare those instances in general and tell me that they’re basically the same, then I know you’re not being truthful.

Trunks' aura is different because SSFP has 2 types: the first type is the same aura from regular SS, and the second type is the new intense one, which usually appears after a power up.

[Fionordequester]

Hmmm...Actually, I just had an interesting thought. What if, off-panel, Gohan actually DID initially go SSJ2 against Dabura...but then found that, because he hadn't used the form in so long, he couldn't maintain it for more than say, 30 seconds or so? I mean, he didn't really do anything with it at the tournament, and, thinking about it now, it WOULD explain why he couldn't break out of Supreme Kai and the German Wrestler's holds if he couldn't channel his power properly.

Not to mention, the strain of trying to power a Kamehameha AND maintaining a difficult form at the same time could've been why he didn't use SSJ2 against Buu's ball, huh?

[Son_Gohan]

As I posted, Super Saiyan Full Power has 2 aura types, and as kuartus4 just showed us, Trunks displayed the SSFP aura in the Cell Games as well.

Piccolo was a Super Namekian when he had an aura, and Cell displayed his own versions of SS, SSG3, SSFP, and SS2, along with 2 extra forms (Full Power & Power-Weighted). The Cell Jrs also had SSFP auras.

The SS aura is slightly different from Freeza arc to Boo arc, and the same happened to the SS2 aura from Cell arc to Boo arc, but they is still the same idea behind them: the SS aura is flame-like, while the SS2 aura is intense with sparks.

Trunks' aura is different because SSFP has 2 types: the first type is the same aura from regular SS, and the second type is the new intense one, which usually appears after a power up.

Super Saiyan Full Power is regular Super Saiyan, you speak of it as if it’s a separate form and it makes an already subjective response even more convoluted.

Perhaps there was a Super Saiyan aura bargain sale. Super Saiyan is a transformation, it’s not simply made up of an aura. It doesn’t appear you’re able to set those two concepts apart. The way the auras are given to any character regardless of race wouldn’t suggest Toriyama cared as much as you do in keeping the forms concretely distinguishable. The “SSFP aura” could’ve just been his favored style at the time; Future Cell’s aura would support that idea.

I gave you a chance to refrain from any further responses but if you want to keep pressing the issue then that limited approach of viewing it just may work against you. I’ll pose another question that you can provide a logical, in-universe explanation for: What Super Saiyan forms are these characters in and what makes their auras look that way?

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[Kaboom]

Just because non-Super Saiyans sometimes have a Super Saiyan-like aura, or lightning bolts are used as special effects in other instances besides Super Saiyan 2 or 3, doesn't mean they're NOT still consistent trademark signs of each form. It's like how all Namekians have green skin, but not all green-skinned aliens are Namekians.

[Fionordequester]

Indeed, Vegetto DOES have sparks very briefly, but only for a few seconds. Goku and Majin Vegeta, meanwhile, had it for almost their entire fight, as does SSJ3 Gotenks and Goku.

[miguelnuva1]

I always went with Gohan needed to be angry to go SSJ2. At the Budokai he was still upset about Videl and then when Kibito and everyone else tell him to SSJ he goes into a f*ck it mode.

Later on with Goku he is laughing and having fun and trying to impress Goku so he stays as a MSSJ.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

Super Saiyan Full Power is regular Super Saiyan, you speak of it as if it’s a separate form and it makes an already subjective response even more convoluted.

Daizenshuu 2 & 10 makes a distinction between Super Saiyan & Super Saiyan Full Power, and there is even the Trunks TV Special Anime Comic, which has an extra sections about the Super Saiyan forms, and calls normal Super Saiyan as Super Saiyan Grade 1, and Super Saiyan Full Power as Super Saiyan Grade 4. So, as far as guidebooks go, it is a separate form that replaced the old SS form.

Perhaps there was a Super Saiyan aura bargain sale. Super Saiyan is a transformation, it’s not simply made up of an aura. It doesn’t appear you’re able to set those two concepts apart. [...] The “SSFP aura” could’ve just been his favored style at the time; Future Cell’s aura would support that idea.

But this isn't a theory of mine, this is stated in Daizenshuu 2.

SUPER SAIYAN FULL POWER
First Appears: Vol. 34+
Goku trained in the Room of Spirit and Time before his fight with Cell. He draws out the power of the Super Saiyan to its limits, and the aura that surrounds him is different.

It's not an out-of-universe reason behind this, it's an in-universe.

The way the auras are given to any character regardless of race wouldn’t suggest Toriyama cared as much as you do in keeping the forms concretely distinguishable.

But the only ones that have a standing aura are Super Saiyans, Super Namekians, and Super Saiyan versions of Cell. Just because the auras are traits to the Super Saiyans doesn't mean that they are traits exclusive to the Super Saiyans. The blond hair don't make everyone a Super Saiyan, but when a Saiyan transforms and his hair turn blond, that makes him a Super Saiyan.

I gave you a chance to refrain from any further responses but if you want to keep pressing the issue then that limited approach of viewing it just may work against you. I’ll pose another question that you can provide a logical, in-universe explanation for: What Super Saiyan forms are these characters in and what makes their auras look that way?

These auras are not standing auras. Everyone can produce an aura, and everyone can produce a sparks, but only when they are powering-up. But the only ones that have displayed constant sparks while just standing are SS2 & SS3. And just because the sparks aren't there for every single second sometimes doesn't stop the sparks from being a trait.

[Son_Gohan]

Just because non-Super Saiyans sometimes have a Super Saiyan-like aura, or lightning bolts are used as special effects in other instances besides Super Saiyan 2 or 3, doesn't mean they're NOT still consistent trademark signs of each form. It's like how all Namekians have green skin, but not all green-skinned aliens are Namekians.

I’m not arguing against them being traits of a form, but they’re not set in stone. The aura is shown to have a very dynamic depiction in the manga, one that’s always been changing since their introduction. It would be paradoxical to view them as something concrete.

Daizenshuu 2 & 10 makes a distinction between Super Saiyan & Super Saiyan Full Power, and there is even the Trunks TV Special Anime Comic, which has an extra sections about the Super Saiyan forms, and calls normal Super Saiyan as Super Saiyan Grade 1, and Super Saiyan Full Power as Super Saiyan Grade 4. So, as far as guidebooks go, it is a separate form that replaced the old SS form.

But this isn't a theory of mine, this is stated in Daizenshuu 2.

SUPER SAIYAN FULL POWER
First Appears: Vol. 34+
Goku trained in the Room of Spirit and Time before his fight with Cell. He draws out the power of the Super Saiyan to its limits, and the aura that surrounds him is different.

It's not an out-of-universe reason behind this, it's an in-universe.

But the only ones that have a standing aura are Super Saiyans, Super Namekians, and Super Saiyan versions of Cell. Just because the auras are traits to the Super Saiyans doesn't mean that they are traits exclusive to the Super Saiyans. The blond hair don't make everyone a Super Saiyan, but when a Saiyan transforms and his hair turn blond, that makes him a Super Saiyan.

These auras are not standing auras. Everyone can produce an aura, and everyone can produce a sparks, but only when they are powering-up. But the only ones that have displayed constant sparks while just standing are SS2 & SS3. And just because the sparks aren't there for every single second sometimes doesn't stop the sparks from being a trait.

Having its own listing in a guidebook does not make it a separate form unless that book actually describes it as one. “High School Era Super Saiyan 2” is not intended to represent a different transformation from Gohan’s “Super Saiyan 2” listing. Those are categorical distinctions made specifically for the book’s purposes, but in the context of the story they don’t necessarily constitute a new form. That’s why it’s not included as an entry in Daizenshuu 7.

“Goku trained in the Room of Spirit and Time before his fight with Cell. He draws out the power of the Super Saiyan to its limits, and the aura that surrounds him is different.”

Where in this example does it establish it being a new form? A direct reference is even made to the original that links them in regard to power in that stage. You’ve become too wrapped up in your own theories that you are just fixed on details that could sustain it while disregarding their complete context. The description would indicate that his aura changes as a result of his power in that form changing, it’s why the aura is even mentioned in the first place and not in the other listings.

When all the characters that are given auras at the time happen to share the same ones, it proves that auras were not intended by the author to act as a primary mode of identification, as they are inherently flawed in the absence of other traits.

What makes a standing aura different from an aura when powering-up that would have them produce sparks or not produce sparks? You’re eluding the essential details.

[kuartus4]

Trunks' aura from the Cell games to his return to the future is basically the same.

Based on the fact you were able to post those pages I would assume you have access to the rest of the chapter.

SSJ Trunks’ appearance in the Cell Games constitutes more than just 2 panels:

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When I said “Trunks’ aura” that wasn’t referring to a few carefully selected panels, but how it is portrayed in those events overall. If you’re able to compare those instances in general and tell me that they’re basically the same, then I know you’re not being truthful.

The difference in Trunks' aura from the Cell games to back to the future that you note can also be noted in Goku's aura in this single panel:

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Also in Vegeta in this single panel:

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So its safe to assume that Trunks does not have another type of aura in the future than what he had in the cell games. AT just didn't draw it with as much detail in the Cell games in every single panel.

[Son_Gohan]

The difference in Trunks' aura from the Cell games to back to the future that you note can also be noted in Goku's aura in this single panel:

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Also in Vegeta in this single panel:

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So its safe to assume that Trunks does not have another type of aura in the future than what he had in the cell games. AT just didn't draw it with as much detail in the Cell games in every single panel.

Either you didn’t read my post or you’re just reading into what you want to see; you haven’t gotten the point.

[kuartus4]

The difference in Trunks' aura from the Cell games to back to the future that you note can also be noted in Goku's aura in this single panel:

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Also in Vegeta in this single panel:

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So its safe to assume that Trunks does not have another type of aura in the future than what he had in the cell games. AT just didn't draw it with as much detail in the Cell games in every single panel.

Either you didn’t read my post or you’re just reading into what you want to see; you haven’t gotten the point.

Weren't you saying Trunks had a different aura in the furture than what he had in the Cell games? Unless you are also going to say that Goku and Vegeta had two different auras present in a single panel, you can't claim Trunks aura changed in a matter of days. The only difference in the auras is due to the amount of detail AT chose to depict in different panels. Maybe I am missing your point but for the time being I'm only responding to this specific claim of yours:

When Trunks returns to the future, his Super Saiyan aura is not the same as it was in the Cell Games, despite it only being a few days prior. His aura resembles more of what Goku and Gohan displayed as Full-Power Super Saiyan, and even his hair is more defined like Gohan’s Super Saiyan 2 form. What in-universe explanations would there be for these changes? None are explicitly given, and if we were to speculate that he trained before going back to his own time, the RoSaT wouldn’t have been possible if he had already used up his 48 hours. There is virtually nothing to support him having any substantial growth in such a short period. Cell’s first form is also shown to share the same aura even though he never displayed it in the past and was evidently nowhere near the same power as Trunks.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

Having its own listing in a guidebook does not make it a separate form unless that book actually describes it as one. “High School Era Super Saiyan 2” is not intended to represent a different transformation from Gohan’s “Super Saiyan 2” listing. Those are categorical distinctions made specifically for the book’s purposes, but in the context of the story they don’t necessarily constitute a new form. That’s why it’s not included as an entry in Daizenshuu 7.

But it is described as a different form. With Gohan, they described the fact that this is a different version of the character, because he grew up. But with Goku, they go from Super Saiyan to Super Saiyan Full Power.

Furthermore, Daizenshuu 10 uses the Super Saiyan Full Power term as well, again to refer to it as a variation of the normal Super Saiyan form:

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Anime Version: Super Saiya-jin Genealogy
The strongest warrior in the universe, the Super Saiya-jin. Here we’ll profile the genealogy of the Super Saiya-jin, including characters who only appeared in the anime, and variations that appeared over the course of Super Saiya-jin evolution!!

Super Saiya-jin
Super Saiya-jin’s biggest distinguishing characteristics are the golden hair that stands up straight, and the green pupils. Also, because they are in a continuous lightly agitated state, their personality also becomes wild. This type is the first grade of Super Saiya-jin, and can be called the base for all Super Saiya-jins.

Broli-type
Broli appeared in the movies. A-type is distinguished by him not having gold hair while he’s a Super Saiya-jin. B-type is a powered up Super Saiya-jin state. He’s called the legendary Super Saiya-jin, since he loves destruction and slaughter, like the Super Saiya-jin of Saiya-jin legend. Both types are from when he fought with Goku on New Planet Vegeta. C-type is his form from when he battles Gohan and the others on Earth; he later transformed into B-type. It’s a Super Saiya-jin that’s evolved differently.

Variations
Grades 2-3 are powered up versions of the Grade 1, which Goku, Vegeta, and Trunks have the ability to transform into. Full Power is a type where they are able to unconsciously exist in the Super Saiya-jin state, and even the wildness of their personality vanishes. Only Goku and Gohan can transform into this.

Super Saiya-jin 2
Super Saiya-jin 2’s distinguishing characteristics are the upright hair and the intense sparks. Even the docile boy Gohan become so violent that he enjoyed fighting. Gohan, Goku, and Babidi-manipulated Vegeta transform into this type.

Gohan-type
This type is also called Ultimate Gohan. While his appearance hasn’t change very much from his normal state, his power surpasses even Super Saiya-jin 2. He’s a Saiya-jin who has achieved a super transformation different from Super Saiya-jin, which puts a large strain on one’s body.

Super Saiya-jin 3
As the Super Saiya-jin that can appropriately be called the strongest, the transformation of their outward appearance is the most intense of all: their eyebrows disappear and their hair becomes long. Apart from Goku, Gotenks can also transform into this!! Aside from the Kamehameha and his other techniques from his normal form, in the movies Goku displays a special attack called the Dragon Fist.

[Freeza] So Super Saiya-jin had these sorts of types!!

And there is also the extra section of the 2nd TV Special Animation Comic:

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Super Saiyan Grade Four
A form where without consciously raising their ki they are still able to remain Super Saiyan on a regular basis: that's Grade Four. From the start Grade One balanced power, energy consumption, etc. This form removes the slightly agitated state which characterizes Grade One. It's a natural form of Super Saiyan which has even gotten rid of their wild personality!

Son Gohan
He grew a lot both physically and mentally during his roughly 1 year of training in the Room of Spirit and Time! After Goku surrenders, he succeeds him in stepping up to the Cell Games ring and challenging perfect form Cell! His clothes were given to him by his martial arts master Piccolo.

[red text] The strongest boy warrior!

[Cell bear hugs Gohan] Though possessing power surpassing Cell, his gentle heart shied away from battle!

Son Goku
Goku transformed into Grade Four during his training in the Room of Spirit and Time, and stepped up to the ring as the first challenger in the Cell Games. Though he put up a good fight against perfect form Cell, he sadly resigned, and selected Gohan as Cell's next opponent.

[red text] A Super Saiyan of furious power!!
[purple box]
Intense training in the Room of Spirit and Time!!
The Room of Spirit and Time is located in God's temple; it completely cuts off all information from the outside world. The gravity, temperature, etc, are all far harsher than in the outside world! The flow of time is also slow, and a year in the outside world is equivalent to a day inside the room [...ugh...no...not quite...]! Goku entered once when he was young.

“Goku trained in the Room of Spirit and Time before his fight with Cell. He draws out the power of the Super Saiyan to its limits, and the aura that surrounds him is different.”

Where in this example does it establish it being a new form?

Er, it's called Super Saiyan Full Power instead of Super Saiyan?

You’ve become too wrapped up in your own theories that you are just fixed on details that could sustain it while disregarding their complete context.

What theories? Whatever I've said so far are either stated facts or logical conclusions.

• When a Saiyan transforms, each form has its own unique aura, and whenever he transforms into a Super Saiyan 2 or Super Saiyan 3, he has sparks. It's logical to assume that these auras are traits of their respective forms.
• Piccolo starts displaying a standing aura when he became a Super Namekian, which is stated to be similar to Super Saiyan. It's logical to assume that the aura is there because he is a Super Namekian.
• Cell displays the SS aura in his 1st & 2nd forms, the SSFP aura in his Perfect form, the SSG3 aura when he does the same thing as Trunks did, and a SS2 aura when he powered up like Gohan. Since Cell has Saiyans, it's logical to assume that his power-ups are related to the Super Saiyan forms of the Saiyans.
• Vegeta & F. Trunks understand what Goku & Gohan did after they exited from the RoSaT, so it's logical to assume that they mastered the form as well, and they even display the new aura Goku & Gohan started to display ever since they mastered SS. Goten & Trunks also display this aura, and Goten even displays "round" eyes as a SS, meaning that he has mastered the form as well, along with Trunks most likely, since they trained together. F. Cell also displays that aura, and he was searching for #17 & #18 for some time, so it's logical to assume that he mastered his version of SS as well.

The description would indicate that his aura changes as a result of his power in that form changing, it’s why the aura is even mentioned in the first place and not in the other listings.

The aura is already stated to be a trait of the form in D7:

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Super Saiyan
Characteristics
The ultimate Saiyan warrior that surpasses the limits of a regular Saiyan. Originally, the existence of this form outside of legend was doubted even among Saiyans, but in reality any Saiyan that possesses a high battle power above the standard level is capable of becoming a Super Saiyan. Possessing a calm heart, sensing extreme danger, feeling strong anger or sadness, or a danger to the Saiyan race itself seem to be states that are the essential keys to transforming. The outward signs of the transformation include an aura, golden hair that stands straight up, and sharp, hawk-like eyes with emerald-green pupils. In addition, a battle power 50 times that of normal is proof of the legendary mightiest warrior.

And now it's stated in the new form gives a different aura. I don't see how power is involved here.

When all the characters that are given auras at the time happen to share the same ones, it proves that auras were not intended by the author to act as a primary mode of identification, as they are inherently flawed in the absence of other traits.

Except that no one shares the same aura when just standing?

What makes a standing aura different from an aura when powering-up that would have them produce sparks or not produce sparks? You’re eluding the essential details.

A standing aura is an aura that is displayed without powering up. Only Super Saiyans & Super Namekians display such a thing. Powering-up aura is the aura that appears when someone power-ups. Everyone can do that. The sparks may appear when someone is powering up, but only the Super Saiyan 2s & Super Saiyan 3s are shown to produce them when just standing.

The sparks are also stated to be a trait in GT Perfect Files #1.

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Super Saiyan 2
A type of warrior who possess power surpassing Super Saiyan 1 in power, speed, and all other points!! However, it seems to not provide a rapid increase, so after Goku awakened to Super Saiyan 3, he would often skip over 2 and transform straight from 1 to 3!! In visual terms as well there’s not all the much different from 1, these differences consisting of the sparks in the aura and the hair on the head standing up even straighter than before!

[Kakarot88]

The aura is already stated to be a trait of the form in D7

And Daizenshuu 7 also says Gohan fought Dabra as a Super Saiyan 2.
But that is allegedly contradicted by a + in Daizenshuu 2
This whole thing is circular.

By now all evidence has been discussed and it is a policy call on your part whether you agree one way or the other.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

The aura is already stated to be a trait of the form in D7

And Daizenshuu 7 also says Gohan fought Dabra as a Super Saiyan 2.
But that is allegedly contradicted by a + in Daizenshuu 2
This whole thing is circular.

By now all evidence has been discussed and it is a policy call on your part whether you agree one way or the other.

Even though I go by Gohan being a SS2 in every point from the 25th TB and forth (but I don't agree that this is a fact), Gohan being a SS2 against Dabra could easily be a typo, like Chozenshuu 4 states that SS3 Goku fought with Rild (obviously wrong, Goku used SS). But the aura being a trait cannot be a typo.

[Son_Gohan]

But it is described as a different form. With Gohan, they described the fact that this is a different version of the character, because he grew up. But with Goku, they go from Super Saiyan to Super Saiyan Full Power.

Furthermore, Daizenshuu 10 uses the Super Saiyan Full Power term as well, again to refer to it as a variation of the normal Super Saiyan form:

Spoiler:

Anime Version: Super Saiya-jin Genealogy
The strongest warrior in the universe, the Super Saiya-jin. Here we’ll profile the genealogy of the Super Saiya-jin, including characters who only appeared in the anime, and variations that appeared over the course of Super Saiya-jin evolution!!

Super Saiya-jin
Super Saiya-jin’s biggest distinguishing characteristics are the golden hair that stands up straight, and the green pupils. Also, because they are in a continuous lightly agitated state, their personality also becomes wild. This type is the first grade of Super Saiya-jin, and can be called the base for all Super Saiya-jins.

Broli-type
Broli appeared in the movies. A-type is distinguished by him not having gold hair while he’s a Super Saiya-jin. B-type is a powered up Super Saiya-jin state. He’s called the legendary Super Saiya-jin, since he loves destruction and slaughter, like the Super Saiya-jin of Saiya-jin legend. Both types are from when he fought with Goku on New Planet Vegeta. C-type is his form from when he battles Gohan and the others on Earth; he later transformed into B-type. It’s a Super Saiya-jin that’s evolved differently.

Variations
Grades 2-3 are powered up versions of the Grade 1, which Goku, Vegeta, and Trunks have the ability to transform into. Full Power is a type where they are able to unconsciously exist in the Super Saiya-jin state, and even the wildness of their personality vanishes. Only Goku and Gohan can transform into this.

Super Saiya-jin 2
Super Saiya-jin 2’s distinguishing characteristics are the upright hair and the intense sparks. Even the docile boy Gohan become so violent that he enjoyed fighting. Gohan, Goku, and Babidi-manipulated Vegeta transform into this type.

Gohan-type
This type is also called Ultimate Gohan. While his appearance hasn’t change very much from his normal state, his power surpasses even Super Saiya-jin 2. He’s a Saiya-jin who has achieved a super transformation different from Super Saiya-jin, which puts a large strain on one’s body.

Super Saiya-jin 3
As the Super Saiya-jin that can appropriately be called the strongest, the transformation of their outward appearance is the most intense of all: their eyebrows disappear and their hair becomes long. Apart from Goku, Gotenks can also transform into this!! Aside from the Kamehameha and his other techniques from his normal form, in the movies Goku displays a special attack called the Dragon Fist.

[Freeza] So Super Saiya-jin had these sorts of types!!

And there is also the extra section of the 2nd TV Special Animation Comic:

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Super Saiyan Grade Four
A form where without consciously raising their ki they are still able to remain Super Saiyan on a regular basis: that's Grade Four. From the start Grade One balanced power, energy consumption, etc. This form removes the slightly agitated state which characterizes Grade One. It's a natural form of Super Saiyan which has even gotten rid of their wild personality!

Son Gohan
He grew a lot both physically and mentally during his roughly 1 year of training in the Room of Spirit and Time! After Goku surrenders, he succeeds him in stepping up to the Cell Games ring and challenging perfect form Cell! His clothes were given to him by his martial arts master Piccolo.

[red text] The strongest boy warrior!

[Cell bear hugs Gohan] Though possessing power surpassing Cell, his gentle heart shied away from battle!

Son Goku
Goku transformed into Grade Four during his training in the Room of Spirit and Time, and stepped up to the ring as the first challenger in the Cell Games. Though he put up a good fight against perfect form Cell, he sadly resigned, and selected Gohan as Cell's next opponent.

[red text] A Super Saiyan of furious power!!
[purple box]
Intense training in the Room of Spirit and Time!!
The Room of Spirit and Time is located in God's temple; it completely cuts off all information from the outside world. The gravity, temperature, etc, are all far harsher than in the outside world! The flow of time is also slow, and a year in the outside world is equivalent to a day inside the room [...ugh...no...not quite...]! Goku entered once when he was young.

If that were the case all you’d have to do was provide the quotation without having to rationalize. It’s you that happens to be doing all the describing, which would hardly even amount to an implication.

Er, it's called Super Saiyan Full Power instead of Super Saiyan?

Why do you think they call it Super Saiyan FULL POWER instead of using the original “Grade” scheme; why it’s not included with the other Super Saiyan forms in Daizenshuu 7; why in the manga, Goku establishes that they stick with "regular Super Saiyan"; and why Vegeta reprimands Trunks for even suggesting a new form? Ponder that for a lo~~~ng time, until it gets through.

What theories? Whatever I've said so far are either stated facts or logical conclusions.

• When a Saiyan transforms, each form has its own unique aura, and whenever he transforms into a Super Saiyan 2 or Super Saiyan 3, he has sparks. It's logical to assume that these auras are traits of their respective forms.
• Piccolo starts displaying a standing aura when he became a Super Namekian, which is stated to be similar to Super Saiyan. It's logical to assume that the aura is there because he is a Super Namekian.
• Cell displays the SS aura in his 1st & 2nd forms, the SSFP aura in his Perfect form, the SSG3 aura when he does the same thing as Trunks did, and a SS2 aura when he powered up like Gohan. Since Cell has Saiyans, it's logical to assume that his power-ups are related to the Super Saiyan forms of the Saiyans.
• Vegeta & F. Trunks understand what Goku & Gohan did after they exited from the RoSaT, so it's logical to assume that they mastered the form as well, and they even display the new aura Goku & Gohan started to display ever since they mastered SS. Goten & Trunks also display this aura, and Goten even displays "round" eyes as a SS, meaning that he has mastered the form as well, along with Trunks most likely, since they trained together. F. Cell also displays that aura, and he was searching for #17 & #18 for some time, so it's logical to assume that he mastered his version of SS as well.

You forgot to list the theory of FPSSJ being a separate form. If the only thing that connects Piccolo and the Saiyans is a title given by Krillin, than that is an out-of-universe reason for him to share the same aura, not an in-universe one.

The aura is already stated to be a trait of the form in D7:

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Super Saiyan
Characteristics
The ultimate Saiyan warrior that surpasses the limits of a regular Saiyan. Originally, the existence of this form outside of legend was doubted even among Saiyans, but in reality any Saiyan that possesses a high battle power above the standard level is capable of becoming a Super Saiyan. Possessing a calm heart, sensing extreme danger, feeling strong anger or sadness, or a danger to the Saiyan race itself seem to be states that are the essential keys to transforming. The outward signs of the transformation include an aura, golden hair that stands straight up, and sharp, hawk-like eyes with emerald-green pupils. In addition, a battle power 50 times that of normal is proof of the legendary mightiest warrior.

And now it's stated in the new form gives a different aura. I don't see how power is involved here.

What do you mean by “already” if Daizenshuu 2 preceded the release of Daizenshuu 7, where they don’t even acknowledge it? Once again you’re picking details out of their respective context in order to make that theory work.

Except that no one shares the same aura when just standing?

A standing aura is an aura that is displayed without powering up. Only Super Saiyans & Super Namekians display such a thing. Powering-up aura is the aura that appears when someone power-ups. Everyone can do that. The sparks may appear when someone is powering up, but only the Super Saiyan 2s & Super Saiyan 3s are shown to produce them when just standing.

The sparks are also stated to be a trait in GT Perfect Files #1.

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Super Saiyan 2
A type of warrior who possess power surpassing Super Saiyan 1 in power, speed, and all other points!! However, it seems to not provide a rapid increase, so after Goku awakened to Super Saiyan 3, he would often skip over 2 and transform straight from 1 to 3!! In visual terms as well there’s not all the much different from 1, these differences consisting of the sparks in the aura and the hair on the head standing up even straighter than before!

Based on your own subjective experience? This is why you shouldn’t be so quick to convince yourself that your opinions are fact:

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You’re using tautology to dodge the question. You were asked for the in-universe explanation of why that is, what constitutionally makes them appear that way? I'll assume you don't have one, and won’t keep pressing you for it since I get the impression you'll keep responding just for the sake of it. If there can be no further progress then the discussion ends with this.

[Kaboom]

This is all getting WAY too complicated, if you ask me. I continue to be honestly flabbergasted that there's such debate over something that's so incredibly easy to figure out just by using your eyes to look at the pictures in the comic. Toriyama drew these forms with a downright alarming amount of consistency, and even gave an in-universe demonstration through Goku. What more could anyone possibly need?

[Fionordequester]

This is all getting WAY too complicated, if you ask me. I continue to be honestly flabbergasted that there's such debate over something that's so incredibly easy to figure out just by using your eyes to look at the pictures in the comic. Toriyama drew these forms with a downright alarming amount of consistency, and even gave an in-universe demonstration through Goku. What more could anyone possibly need?

Akira Toriyama also forgot that SSJ2 was even a form later on, that Lunch existed, often wrote things by the seat of his pants, and changed his artstyle at several points. Yes, he provided an in-universe explanation for the forms, but only AFTER the whole Gohan vs. Dabura debacle, so for all we know, he might not have actually figured out the rules for everything until that fight, and meant for Gohan to simply be an incredibly weak SSJ2 (so weak in fact, that he felt the need to not draw sparks to EMPHASIZE just how weak Gohan was compared to Vegeta and Goku). That, and Akira Toriyama is also generally incredibly blunt as a writer, so you'd think he'd have the characters actually TALK about how Gohan wasn't using SSJ2, or have Vegeta or Goku say "Why isn't he using SSJ2"? I mean for goodness sakes, this is the same man who wrote THIS...





I mean really, just how on-the-nose do you have to be to actually have NARRATION BUBBLES to spell out what we can plainly see in the artwork? So really, Goku's speech to Fat Buu doesn't have any weight at all. For all we know, it could've just been a retcon, the same way Gohan not having two bangs in base SSJ at the tournament was a retcon.

I mean, don't get me wrong, I agree with you on Gohan being SSJ NOW because of your brilliant argument in your first post, but I hate how you try to push Goku's talk with Majin Buu like it's actually something authoritative, and insult people for thining it isn't. Because it's NOT! We know how Akira Toriyama is!...

EDIT: Sorry, that's just something that's irritated me for a long time. I think you're a pretty cool poster, and I generally don't like expressing frustration since I believe it's generally counter-productive to an argument, but I really think you're going overboard with this angle.