If we assume the movies are the result of a divergence

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RandomGuy96 wrote
Movie 14- Mister Satan successfully reforms Fat Buu. Super Buu is never formed and the Fusion Saga never happens.

Yeah, that could be true, but why would have Goku taught Trunks and Goten the fusion in the timeskip, if the Fusion saga did not happen? So what about Gohan going Ultimate/Mystic against Beerus, if he does only have SSJ2 at very best, if there wasn't Super Buu?

I see no reason to believe that anything could have changed other than we saw in the Majin Saga manga-wise. In the movie if something is weird is that Mr. Satan didn't recongize Dende, for unkown reason, and Bulma's age. I don't see other continuity error. Videl and Gohan are married, and in the JATS they were not, so the movie takes place after that special, as Tarble was mentioned. The movie surely happens 2-3 years after the special of 2008, as Pan was conceived, the only thing that can bother us is Bulma's age. And one more thing if Majin Buu was reformed by Mr. Satan, then why Goku is alive in this period, if there wasn't any need to stop Buuhan in the Buu Arc? Goku surely wouldn't have wanted to be resurrected if there was no need. And I doubt that Porunga could resurrect someone being dead for more than 1 year, and Goku was dead for 7 years.

[RandomGuy96]

Gohan was just a poorly recolored SS and the plot still treats him as such. Gotenks was formed before Fatso was reformed. Goku probably just changed his mind after getting bored in the Afterlife and/or realizing how dumb his reason for staying dead was.

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Gohan was just a poorly recolored SS and the plot still treats him as such. Gotenks was formed before Fatso was reformed. Goku probably just changed his mind after getting bored in the Afterlife and/or realizing how dumb his reason for staying dead was.

So are you saying Porunga(if not Shenlon) is able to resurrect Goku?

And what about Vegeta? He is also alive! So he was also resurrected by Porunga, you suppose?

What about Kibito Kai's existence in the movie, if there wasn't any need to create Vegetto back then? In other words, why are Kibito and East Supreme Kai fused?

[RandomGuy96]

Gohan was just a poorly recolored SS and the plot still treats him as such. Gotenks was formed before Fatso was reformed. Goku probably just changed his mind after getting bored in the Afterlife and/or realizing how dumb his reason for staying dead was.

So are you saying Porunga(if not Shenlon) is able to resurrect Goku?

And what about Vegeta? He is also alive! So he was also resurrected by Porunga, you suppose?

What about Kibito Kai's existence in the movie, if there wasn't any need to create Vegetto back then? In other words, why are Kibito and East Supreme Kai fused?

Yep.

They're morons who didn't even know what the earrings did. I can imagine them epically failing and accidentally fusing.

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Not bad....

So in that case Toriyama completely surrendered his own will for Toei? As he read his manga once again, and he still did the plot like Toei wanted?

But there is one more thing left... If Tarble was mentioned, and that special has no continuity error, as Mr. Satan has invited all the heroes to his party, and it was shown that with the help of humanity it was Kid Buu defeated, so Majin Buu was killed, and the one who was shown was Mr. Buu, and not Fat Buu, does this not mean that Battle of Gods prior events were all the same like the special's prior events?

[RandomGuy96]

Not bad....

So in that case Toriyama completely surrendered his own will for Toei? As he read his manga once again, and he still did the plot like Toei wanted?

But there is one more thing left... If Tarble was mentioned, and that special has no continuity error, as Mr. Satan has invited all the heroes to his party, and it was shown that with the help of humanity it was Kid Buu defeated, so Majin Buu was killed, and the one who was shown was Mr. Buu, and not Fat Buu, does this not mean that Battle of Gods prior events were all the same like the special's prior events?

Just because they know who Tarble is doesn't mean those exact events happened.

[shinmaru]

The Coola Movies - Trunks most likely never went back in time which can explain why he was never seen or mention in both films. Kami sense a powerful energy in the city of Amenbo Island and so he fused with Piccolo. Piccolo kills #17, #18 and Cell then everyone goes to New Namek.

Then Pikkoro should have been the Hero of the Second Movie Kura

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So the events of the special are also ignored?

You could be possibly right but I think it would be too weird if that indeedly happen that way. If it's an offical part of Dragon Ball history admitted by Toriyama himself I think they just screwed up the part when Mr. Satan did not recognize Dende, or Mr. Satan being skeptic all the time did not remembered that Dende was the God of Earth.

[RandomGuy96]

So the events of the special are also ignored?

You could be possibly right but I think it would be too weird if that indeedly happen that way. If it's an offical part of Dragon Ball history admitted by Toriyama himself I think they just screwed up the part when Mr. Satan did not recognize Dende, or Mr. Satan being skeptic all the time did not remembered that Dende was the God of Earth.

Except Toriyama never said that, and that's far from the only continuity issue.

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Except Toriyama never said that, and that's far from the only continuity issue.

I've sad that he admitted. And it was stated that new story borned, not spin-off, nor side story. And other continuity errors could be explained just like in a simple way you can say they are continuity errors.

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In the movie if something is weird is that Mr. Satan didn't recongize Dende, for unkown reason, and Bulma's age. I don't see other continuity error.

The continuity errors are these from what I recall (I feel like I forgot something):

• Mr. Satan doesn't remember Dende, while he should know who & what he is.
• Kaio's Planet is back for some reason.
• Shenlong grants 1 wish instead of 3 for some reason.
• Mai's & Bulma's ages are wrong.
• Tarble is alive/exists, while he shouldn't be because Vegeta was sure that only he, Goku, and Gohan were the only Saiyans alive by the beginning of the Artificial Humans arc.

I think I forget some thought, I thought they were more.

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In the movie if something is weird is that Mr. Satan didn't recongize Dende, for unkown reason, and Bulma's age. I don't see other continuity error.

The continuity errors are these from what I recall (I feel like I forgot something):

• Mr. Satan doesn't remember Dende, while he should know who & what he is.
• Kaio's Planet is back for some reason.
• Shenlong grants 1 wish instead of 3 for some reason.
• Mai's & Bulma's ages are wrong.
• Tarble is alive/exists, while he shouldn't be because Vegeta was sure that only he, Goku, and Gohan were the only Saiyans alive by the beginning of the Artificial Humans arc.

I think I forget some thought, I thought they were more.

There are some more:

[*]Kaioshins still have their potaras although both pairs were given to Goku, first used and the second broken by him.
[*]Gotenks doesn't use SSJ3 for some reason.

In my view: can be explained some way:

[*]Mr. Satan doesn't remember Dende, and he forgot about Dende's duty.
[*]Kaio's planet could be wished back, or built back by Kaio himself, as still being a lower God of Creation.
[*]Shenlon didn't grant more wishes because he knew that Beerus only wants to know about the creation of SSJ God, and was scared that Beerus gets angry if he has wait more than that. Or Shenlon has granted the previous two wishes earlier in that same year, and that was the last wish for that year.
[*]Mai's age could be true, and Bulma's not, so she was lying. Or Bulma's age was true but in that way that she wish for it earlier, as to be younger than Goku.
[*]That isn't necessarily a plot-hole, as Vegeta could not remember of his brother, and possibly believed that he isn't alive, if he didn't search for him after Frieza's death.

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Kaioshins still have their potaras although both pairs were given to Goku, first used and the second broken by him.

Where was it stated that there is no way to find or make new ones? Even if you want to believe that they are impossible to be made at that point (for some reason), they don't have to be real, like Gohan didn't wear real ones on the Kaioshin Realm.

Gotenks doesn't use SSJ3 for some reason.

Just because he doesn't use it doesn't mean he can't. He did exactly the same thing against Boo: he should know Boo is stronger than his base & SS forms, yet he uses them against him even though he gets his ass kicked, and he should sense that his power is greater than his. This is Gotenks we are talking about.

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Kaioshins still have their potaras although both pairs were given to Goku, first used and the second broken by him.

Where was it stated that there is no way to find or make new ones? Even if you want to believe that they are impossible to be made at that point (for some reason), they don't have to be real, like Gohan didn't wear real ones on the Kaioshin Realm.

Gotenks doesn't use SSJ3 for some reason.

Just because he doesn't use it doesn't mean he can't. He did exactly the same thing against Boo: he should know Boo is stronger than his base & SS forms, yet he uses them against him even though he gets his ass kicked, and he should sense that his power is greater than his. This is Gotenks we are talking about.

You're right, but I'm talking about which ones can be considered also continuity errors. But as I wrote above almost all of them can be explained just using in-universe explanations.

[RandomGuy96]

Except Toriyama never said that, and that's far from the only continuity issue.

I've sad that he admitted. And it was stated that new story borned, not spin-off, nor side story. And other continuity errors could be explained just like in a simple way you can say they are continuity errors.

Toriyama never admitted anything.

[Puto]

Movie Timeline 2 [5, 6]:
Goku doesn't linger in space, and never masters SSj transformation. Trunks comes back to tell of the Androids. This leads to Movie 5, where he cannot transform at will. Seeing how helpless they were against a random invader who is supposed to be drastically inferior to the Androids, Piccolo and Kami agree to fuse in order to give them an extra edge. Piccolo here isn't as strong as he is in the main timeline, because he has less training with SSj Goku under his belt at the time of his fusion with Kami. This prompts bringing Dende to Earth to be the new Kami. The Big Gete Star nabs Coola, and Movie 6 happens.

Doesn't work. If Gokū didn't linger in space, he wouldn't have learned how to teleport, which he does know in Movie 6 (but not 5? Or maybe he just didn't use it?).

...and Bulma's age.

That is very blatantly played off as Bulma lying about her age in the movie. When Bulma mentions her supposed her supposed age, Kuririn goes all 'are you kidding me?' about it.

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That is very blatantly played off as Bulma lying about her age in the movie. When Bulma mentions her supposed her supposed age, Kuririn goes all 'are you kidding me?' about it.

I really hope it. But What about Mai's age? He had no reason to lie, did she?

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Doubt Mai had any reason to lie. But do we ever even get told Mai's age in the manga?

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Doubt Mai had any reason to lie. But do we ever even get told Mai's age in the manga?

I don't know, but the main question is, was Mai still a child when she had advatures against Oozaru Goku?

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She certainly didn't look like it, but could just be character design awkwardness.