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KentalSSJ6
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by KentalSSJ6 » Thu Feb 27, 2014 10:20 pm
xmysticgohanx wrote:dbzfan7 wrote:Zombie wrote:Base Vegetto vs Ultimate Gohan.
Base Vegetto. Gokan in base was said to be enough to beat Gotenks Boo and since Goku and Vegeta are more compatible, so should Vegetto.
So potara fusions are far above a SSJ3 version of one of the pre fused people (assuming both people are close to equal in power)?! That's pretty cool.
Well Vegito also gets a "rival boost" due to Goku and Vegeta's competitive nature with each other. Gokhan/Gohaku would not have the boost that Vegito did.
Personally id say Gohaku would be the stronger fusion if not for the rival boost Vegito has.
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by Kid Buu » Thu Feb 27, 2014 11:36 pm
Oolong Vs Vegetto
IMO Oolong takes it by turning into a spray can of bad air and defusing Vegetto with it.
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by TheGmGoken » Thu Feb 27, 2014 11:38 pm
Kid Buu wrote:Oolong Vs Vegetto
IMO Oolong takes it by turning into a spray can of bad air and defusing Vegetto with it.
Vegetto uses Ki shield to counter. Similar to how his shield counter Boo's insides.
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by Kid Buu » Thu Feb 27, 2014 11:40 pm
Already happened in Volume 9 remember? Goku won.
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by xmysticgohanx » Fri Feb 28, 2014 1:34 am
Zombie wrote:Base Vegetto vs Ultimate Gohan.
I think I have come up with some very definitive proof on why Vegetto > Gohan. First, I assume base fusion dance = SSJ2. I say this because everybody was surprised at base Gotenks power but he got beat up by Buu worse than Majin Vegeta did (Vegeta technically died but that was because Buu's regeneration led him to self destruct). Second, I'm positive Goku is not 2x stronger than post-ROSaT Goten (aka SSJ2 Goten > SSJ Goku). Therefore, a hypothetical SSJ3 Gogeta wouldn't be 2x stronger than SSJ3 Gotenks. Third, since Buuhan is way more than 2x stronger than Super Buu (which SSJ3 Gotenks had a slight power advantage against) Buuhan > SSJ3 Gogeta. Fourth, SSJ Vegetto > Buuhan > SSJ3 Gogeta. So base Vegetto is way more than 8x stronger than base Gogeta. Since, Gogeta = SSJ2 that means Vegetto is way over 800x base or way over 2x SSJ3 Goku. I'm positive Vegetto has a far bigger gap over SSJ3 Goku (Buuhan vs Super Buu is a big gap, and SSJ Vegetto vs Buuhan is a big gap) than Gohan.
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by Saiga » Fri Feb 28, 2014 2:17 am
That logic doesn't work, because Gohan would be well more than 2x SS3 Goku if he's stronger than SS3 Gotenks.
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by Kid Buu » Fri Feb 28, 2014 3:58 am
Tenshinhan Vs Kuririn Vs Yamcha at equal power levels.
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by DBZGTKOSDH » Fri Feb 28, 2014 6:10 am
KentalSSJ6 wrote:Well Vegito also gets a "rival boost" due to Goku and Vegeta's competitive nature with each other.
I disagree. I believe that the fact they are rivals means that their powers rival each other, making them equals, and better matches. What does their competitive nature has to do with their power anyway? It's like saying that they get even stronger if they are in love with each other, or if they are in love with the same woman, or if they are fathers.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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by KentalSSJ6 » Fri Feb 28, 2014 6:11 am
Saiga wrote:That logic doesn't work, because Gohan would be well more than 2x SS3 Goku if he's stronger than SS3 Gotenks.
Knowing the exact functions of the Potara Fusion and Fusion Dance would help too...over what, 7 databooks and still nothing on how they exactly work?
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by Hugo Boss » Fri Feb 28, 2014 10:13 am
SS Gogeta vs Gotenks-Boo
Both having 30 min left to fight. Both stronger than [anime & manga] SS3 Goku.
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by DBZGTKOSDH » Fri Feb 28, 2014 11:00 am
Hugo Boss wrote:SS Gogeta vs Gotenks-Boo
Both having 30 min left to fight. Both stronger than [anime & manga] SS3 Goku.
Boo destroys Gogeta's head with one strong punch.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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by dbgtFO » Fri Feb 28, 2014 11:17 am
DBZGTKOSDH wrote:Hugo Boss wrote:SS Gogeta vs Gotenks-Boo
Both having 30 min left to fight. Both stronger than [anime & manga] SS3 Goku.
Boo destroys Gogeta's head with one strong punch.
I agree with that, though it doesn't seem that popular thinking Super Vegetto would be much stronger than his Fusion Dance variant.
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by RandomGuy96 » Fri Feb 28, 2014 12:03 pm
Buutenks beats even SS3 Gogeta.
The Monkey King wrote:RandomGuy96 wrote:dbgtFO wrote:
Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWoke
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
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by Hugo Boss » Fri Feb 28, 2014 1:15 pm
dbgtFO wrote:DBZGTKOSDH wrote:Hugo Boss wrote:SS Gogeta vs Gotenks-Boo
Both having 30 min left to fight. Both stronger than [anime & manga] SS3 Goku.
Boo destroys Gogeta's head with one strong punch.
I agree with that, though it doesn't seem that popular thinking Super Vegetto would be much stronger than his Fusion Dance variant.
Then, I will remake the purpose. Both stronger than Ultimate Gohan.
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by goku the krump dancer » Fri Feb 28, 2014 3:48 pm
Hugo Boss wrote:SS Gogeta vs Gotenks-Boo
Both having 30 min left to fight. Both stronger than [anime & manga] SS3 Goku.
Gotenks Boo is a tad bit weaker than Gohan Boo so the beating he gets from Gogeta is a tad bit worse.
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by Saiga » Fri Feb 28, 2014 8:11 pm
Gogeta loses. I simply don't believe he's stronger than SS3 Goku or anything higher, so even with that condition I'm just going to assume he's slightly stronger.
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by MDSTSSJ » Fri Feb 28, 2014 10:29 pm
Hugo Boss wrote:SS Gogeta vs Gotenks-Boo
Both having 30 min left to fight. Both stronger than [anime & manga] SS3 Goku.
Tough fight between them!
SSJ2 Gogeta beat the hell up Gotenks Boo!
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by In Brightest Day » Fri Feb 28, 2014 11:57 pm
Recoome takes on the team of Vegeta, Gohan, Kuririn & Zarbon.
Vegeta and co. are at the same they were at when they fought Recoome initially. Can Zarbon in his transformed state make a difference?
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by TheGmGoken » Sat Mar 01, 2014 12:06 am
In Brightest Day wrote:Recoome takes on the team of Vegeta, Gohan, Kuririn & Zarbon.
Vegeta and co. are at the same they were at when they fought Recoome initially. Can Zarbon in his transformed state make a difference?
No. Perhaps some lucky shots. But nothing much. Rikum wins
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by Hellspawn28 » Sat Mar 01, 2014 3:06 am
Garlic Jr. in his second form vs. Super #13 vs. LSSj Broli vs. Bojack in his second form.
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