Was the Freeza saga just a rehash of the Saiyan saga?

[El Diabeetus]

So in other words, arguing is pointless....I think.

Is that a reason to halt a contest of wills?

All joking aside, you're probably right there.

More or less, I agree with Ajay on this one. It's pretty much just how Dragon Ball's structured. Freeza arc is my favorite (in the Japanese version of Z, or English version of Kai). Freeza may not be the most original villain of all time. But, he does pull the role of villain off pretty damn well in my opinion. Along with some cool (not meant to be a pun, but probably will be read as one) dialogue to boot like "I promised you didn't? That I would show you a nightmare/terror beyond the horrors of Hell". Freeza is one of the more solid arcs once you get past the filler and all. Probably the most or close second darkest/serious arc (Demon King Piccolo may be close) in the series.

[Valerius Dover]

Ok, here's one thing that's somewhat baffled me. Aside from Funimation's 16 sagas and 9 Seasons, the other major way to divide the series would be into 3 major thirds that follow a predictable format.

Frieza: Seasons 1-3
Cell: Seasons 4-6
Buu: Seasons 7-9

Why do so many people consider the Vegeta Saga to also be a separate arc when it leads directly into the Dragon Ball hunt on Namek? I don't see how it's any more a separate portion than the Trunks and Androids Sagas, or the Great Saiyaman, World Tournament, and Babidi Sagas.

But, yes, I can say that all three thirds of the series follow a similar format. True Villain doesn't get introduced until 2nd Season in each third (2, 5, and , Excuses for Goku to not be around, filler arcs between, and a new Super Saiyan transformation introduced towards the end of each one (although SS3 did come in earlier than the others in their respective arcs). Another exception is Frieza making a brief return early in the Cell arc. So, why separate Saiyan, while it is really just part of the larger Frieza arc?

[ABED]

Ok, here's one thing that's somewhat baffled me. Aside from Funimation's 16 sagas and 9 Seasons, the other major way to divide the series would be into 3 major thirds that follow a predictable format.

Frieza: Seasons 1-3
Cell: Seasons 4-6
Buu: Seasons 7-9

Why do so many people consider the Vegeta Saga to also be a separate arc when it leads directly into the Dragon Ball hunt on Namek? I don't see how it's any more a separate portion than the Trunks and Androids Sagas, or the Great Saiyaman, World Tournament, and Babidi Sagas.

But, yes, I can say that all three thirds of the series follow a similar format. True Villain doesn't get introduced until 2nd Season in each third (2, 5, and , Excuses for Goku to not be around, filler arcs between, and a new Super Saiyan transformation introduced towards the end of each one (although SS3 did come in earlier than the others in their respective arcs). Another exception is Frieza making a brief return early in the Cell arc. So, why separate Saiyan, while it is really just part of the larger Frieza arc?

The Vegeta arc is a separate arc because it has a beginning, middle, climax, and end. Vegeta by that point in the story has broken away from Freeza.

[TheDevilsCorpse]

Why do so many people consider the Vegeta Saga to also be a separate arc when it leads directly into the Dragon Ball hunt on Namek?

By that logic, you might as well consider the 22nd Budokai through the Piccolo Junior stuff to all be one arc. I mean, there is a direct lead-in with Piccolo sending Tambourine to collect the Dragon Ball right after the tournament concludes, and after Piccolo is defeated, Goku must immediately start training to defeat his reincarnation/son.

[Valerius Dover]

Ok, here's one thing that's somewhat baffled me. Aside from Funimation's 16 sagas and 9 Seasons, the other major way to divide the series would be into 3 major thirds that follow a predictable format.

Frieza: Seasons 1-3
Cell: Seasons 4-6
Buu: Seasons 7-9

Why do so many people consider the Vegeta Saga to also be a separate arc when it leads directly into the Dragon Ball hunt on Namek? I don't see how it's any more a separate portion than the Trunks and Androids Sagas, or the Great Saiyaman, World Tournament, and Babidi Sagas.

But, yes, I can say that all three thirds of the series follow a similar format. True Villain doesn't get introduced until 2nd Season in each third (2, 5, and , Excuses for Goku to not be around, filler arcs between, and a new Super Saiyan transformation introduced towards the end of each one (although SS3 did come in earlier than the others in their respective arcs). Another exception is Frieza making a brief return early in the Cell arc. So, why separate Saiyan, while it is really just part of the larger Frieza arc?

The Vegeta arc is a separate arc because it has a beginning, middle, climax, and end. Vegeta by that point in the story has broken away from Freeza.

Hmm, I suppose that makes sense. I guess I just have a different way of looking at things. I think the auto-emoticon screwed up and gave me a when I really just wanted 8 with a parenthesis following it.

[Valerius Dover]

Why do so many people consider the Vegeta Saga to also be a separate arc when it leads directly into the Dragon Ball hunt on Namek?

By that logic, you might as well consider the 22nd Budokai through the Piccolo Junior stuff to all be one arc. I mean, there is a direct lead-in with Piccolo sending Tambourine to collect the Dragon Ball right after the tournament concludes, and after Piccolo is defeated, Goku must immediately start training to defeat his reincarnation/son.

I see a point there, though I was specifically referring to Dragon Ball Z where the formula is more predictable.
Not to say Dragon Ball wasn't, too, though.
It pretty much alternated between Dragon Ball hunts and tournaments.
But yeah, I agree that that's a good point.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

By that logic, you might as well consider the 22nd Budokai through the Piccolo Junior stuff to all be one arc.

Shueisha views it like that actually.

[TheDevilsCorpse]

By that logic, you might as well consider the 22nd Budokai through the Piccolo Junior stuff to all be one arc.

Shueisha views it like that actually.

Not in any of the arc divisions Hujio's bothered to post up. Or at least, not in the ones I've paid attention to.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

By that logic, you might as well consider the 22nd Budokai through the Piccolo Junior stuff to all be one arc.

Shueisha views it like that actually.

Not in any of the arc divisions Hujio's bothered to post up. Or at least, not in the ones I've paid attention to.

Hujio referred to the arc divisions that before the Colored Edition of the manga.

[TheDevilsCorpse]

Ah. I don't really care how the Full Color releases are labeled. The other 2-3 label versions by Shueisha are much more uniform and belong to the original releases.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

Ah. I don't really care how the Full Color releases are labeled. The other 2-3 label versions by Shueisha are much more uniform and belong to the original releases.

I was just saying. Personally, I view this as the generic arc division, while I've made my own detailed division through the others from Shueisha.

[TheGmGoken]

No. I don't see how they're a rehash. Dbz arcs follow a format. Boo arc is a rehash of Saiyan arc because Goku came from Death with a big power up(kaioken and Ssj3). Silly to say that right?

[DonZ]

How the hell is it a rehash ? just because Goku arrived and saved the day?! really?! it's similar, yeah. but it doesn't make the WHOLE arc a rehash.

[Kid Buu]

Not the whole arc, but Goku's role in the Ginyu Force part is very similar.

Nappa/Recoome beat up Gohan, Krillin, and Vegeta/Piccolo.

Goku comes and one-shots Nappa/Recoome.

Goku then challenges Vegeta/Ginyu by himself.

Goku loses to Vegeta/Ginyu.

Gohan, Krillin, and Yajirobe/Vegeta have to save Goku now.

[TheGmGoken]

Not the whole arc, but Goku's role in the Ginyu Force part is very similar.

Nappa/Recoome beat up Gohan, Krillin, and Vegeta/Piccolo.

Goku comes and one-shots Nappa/Recoome.

Goku then challenges Vegeta/Ginyu by himself.

Goku loses to Vegeta/Ginyu.

Gohan, Krillin, and Yajirobe/Vegeta have to save Goku now.

Honestly to much changes to be similar. Goku didn't one shot Nappa. Goku was going to team uo with Vegeta (cause of Jheese). Ginyu fight nothing like Vegeta's.

[thatdbzguy]

Guys, from now on, in every topic DBZGuy makes, until we figure out what's up with him...I'd like to post this stuff...

While the Saiyan and Freeza sagas are, for the most part, pretty tightly written, the Cell and Buu sagas don't exactly share that trait, at least not as much as previous sagas.

So in your opinion, which saga do you think is more flawed?

I prefer Dragon Ball Z over the original.

Not exactly an "unpopular" opinion, but probably a minority one on this website.

I have a few shirts (wearing one right now, actually) and I've shown pics of my collection online before, but I try not to talk about it too much in real life. I don't want to get somebody started on why they hate DBZ. I get enough of that on the internet. [Context: When in thread called "How Open Are You About Your Fandom?"]

I personally loved most of the new voice work, and am glad that they decided to be a bit more faithful to the manga. [Context: When in thread called "Were you satisfied by the English dub of Kai?"]

I never agreed with this complaint. Each saga in DBZ felt fresh and inventive to me. I guess people only pay attention to the whole "bad guy shows up and gets defeated" thing, which is not all each saga has to offer.

The fandom's general interpretation of Gohan's speech to Cell as "random pacifism". [Context: When in thread called "Biggest DB Disappointment"]

I can't think of a single time where I didn't like any of my favorite characters, let alone one.

They may do stupid/dickish things at times, but they still retain their likability for me.

Any complaint involving how the Dragon Balls were used/not used doesn't bother me, and that includes how often they bring back people from the dead. Apparently, I'm pretty much alone in not being bothered by this.

Complaints about Gohan's character in the Cell arc. I usually just don't agree with them. [Context: Common Complaints against the series that don't bother you?]

1. Cell
2. Freeza
3. Saiyan
4. Buu

The Buu arc, while enjoyable, felt incredibly unnecessary to me. Not to mention that the writing was at its sloppiest here. [Context: Rank the 4 Major Z Arcs from Best to Worst]

Out of the three more major characters of DBZ, which do you prefer the most?

My personal favorite is Goku. I love his overall attitude and personality.

Am I the only one who actually liked Perfect Cell?


I liked how he was basically an evil version of Goku with the new goal of actually proving his perfection instead of going "K, reached Perfect Form. I'll leave you guys alone now."

I'm curious, what's with the dislike for Gohan? I actually really like him, just not as much as Goku or Vegeta.

Yeah, I've dug through his past posts, and it looks like things didn't always used to be this way. I don't know what's happened, but, I think there's something more than just a trolling attempt, judging by these posts, and the fact that he's been on this website since around September-October of 2013...and I'd really like to know what's up. Kind of concerned actually.

Back when I made those posts, I was just a blind DBZ fanboy who refused to accept the bajillion amount of issues with the series presented here and on other websites.

It got to the point where I just couldn't fool myself anymore, and I came to accept how bad DBZ is.

Now, let's get back on topic instead of focusing on me.

[JackyBoi99]

If you think dragon ball z is so bad, then stop using kanzenshuu because it's so annoying see you complain about dragon ball z. Stop trying make everyone think that dragon ball z is so bad, just because you don't like it.

[Freeza Soldier #156]

Back when I made those posts, I was just a blind DBZ fanboy who refused to accept the bajillion amount of issues with the series presented here and on other websites.

It got to the point where I just couldn't fool myself anymore, and I came to accept how bad DBZ is.

Now, let's get back on topic instead of focusing on me.

From blind fanboy to blind sheep...fantastic. Way to step it up .

No arc in this series is just a blatant rehash of any previous arc. Arcs may follow a similar structure, but each one brings new ideas to the table that keep the story interesting. Akira Toriyama found a structure that proved to be successful with readers and based his story around that structure. This is what most fictional works do. If you want to fault DBZ for doing this, then you have to fault not only pretty much every other shonen manga/anime ever created, but also most other fiction book/film/TV series as well.

[Bullza]

Another thread with the same whining OP.

What'll your next thread be? "Was Goku a terrible protaganist?"

[Fionordequester]

Back when I made those posts, I was just a blind DBZ fanboy who refused to accept the bajillion amount of issues with the series presented here and on other websites.

It got to the point where I just couldn't fool myself anymore, and I came to accept how bad DBZ is.

Now, let's get back on topic instead of focusing on me.

And all that happened over the course of a few months huh? Well, in that case, I'd love to prove to you otherwise (since all these threads seem to be an attempt at getting someone to prove you wrong), but, honestly, I don't think you're specific enough in your complaints. So, what I'd like you to do is either go into more detail (maybe do a write up like what I'm doing for each episode of Dragon Ball in my thread), or link us to whatever websites convinced you that DBZ sucks. That's where you seem to be getting your opinions after all, so if we prove those wrong, we've also proved you wrong, right?

How about it DBZGuy? Seems to me like this'd be way more efficient than everything we've been doing so far.