Gaffer Tape wrote:Him saying it's for his safety IS him correcting her!
No, he gives his reasons for the decision he made. He said "It's for his safety", he didn't say "No, it's for his safety".
I'm sorry, but I'm totally lost here. What does any of that even mean? What does it matter if he loses control? It puts him into a form that makes him more resilient and, therefore, less easy to kill. You say it's for emergencies as if he'd run out of it if he uses it too much. And it can't be saved "for emergencies" because he has no control over when it happens. If some powerful foe attacks him at any point other than when a full moon happens, he can't use that "emergency power," and it's therefore totally useless. I still have no idea why Bardock told him not to look at the moon because it makes no sense unless Bardock, for some reason, really, really didn't want him to kill anyone, but even I don't think that's the case. But if his goal was for Goku to "kill all humans," looking at the moon would be the first thing he'd want him to do.
We don't know how Saiyan babies work. We don't know if they randomly go and destroy everything, or if they adapt and then attack, or anything else. So, we don't know how Goku will use his Oozaru form.
And don't forget that they want to sell the planet if possible, so they wouldn't want the environment destroyed by an angry gorilla. Goku was there to exterminate the planet's species & sell Earth, not to destroy Earth. I imagine that he shouldn't be using Oozaru all the time, since it would be dangerous for the planet.
The last sentence is the first thing I could possibly accept to make any sense. But you saying that is pretty much admitting exactly what I'm complaining about: that going to earth for that reason is a ruse. It's a sham. It's not the primary reason they're sending him there but at most a convenient excuse, so even if it makes sense and avoids a plot hole, it still changes the reason why Goku was sent to earth to a much less interesting and less ironic reason.
I don't mind if you don't like the outcome, I don't really like it either. It may be crappy, but it isn't a plot hole unless you want it to be. And I have no reason to create plot holes just because.
But, still, why would they need an excuse for Raditz? Why would they want an excuse for Raditz? "Oh, no, son. It's much better you be blissfully unaware the guy you're working for committed genocide against our entire race and probably wants you dead too. That will keep you safe." I mean, for all they knew, Raditz had heard the call and was on his way back to his imminent death too and needed to be warned more than Goku did. The only reason he didn't was because Vegeta said, "Piss off, I'm not doing it."
They wanted to tell Raditz about Goku being on Earth without telling him "We sent him there secretly because daddy suspects that Freeza is plotting something bad for the Saiyans", since they would hear it from the scouters. We don't know how they told him, but I imagine that they also lied to him about when they sent him to Earth, since if they had told him that they had just sent him, Freeza would know that Bardock sent him secretly to escape.
You telling me I'm wrong is not a very strong argument and is actually just rude.
Sorry if it sounded rude but... you are wrong. Gine assumed that Goku would be sent as an infiltration baby, and Bardock never denied it.
I've already spent all of this post and the last post explaining to the best of my ability everything that I think is absurd and why that is. You can either accept my opinions or not.
You are saying that Bardock was the only one that somehow suspected this, while we only saw 2 other Saiyans on Planet Vegeta, and only one day in the beginning of the month. Nothing says that other Saiyans weren't suspicious. In fact, if you take EoB into account and assume that it happens after DB- & the manga, you could say that Bardock's comrades were killed by Freeza's men because they disobeyed his orders.
Not that I disagree with you on many things. I wasn't "disgusted" by it, but I didn't like that Goku's backstory is even closer to Superman's, and that the whole "your mission was to destroy Earth, you were sent here because you were trash, etc" wasn't the real reason. Sure, these are shitty, but not absurd though.
Marco Polo wrote:Raditz and Nappa have equal status, so I don't know why you guys think Bardock is a lower class Saiyan than anyone else.
Dragon Ball Q&A 7 wrote:Q7: What’s the pecking order among Vegeta, Nappa, and Raditz?
Only Vegeta is royalty, but…
Vegeta is the prince and so he has a higher position due to strength. But Raditz and Nappa have equal status.
Having equal status could mean that Nappa can't give orders to Raditz just because he is in a higher class.
auspx wrote:And no matter how much Bardock trained or how many zenkais he got he will never become a mid-class warrior... This contradicts the Bardock TV Special (where Bardock's PL is 10,000) and the entire Episode of Bardock.
No, Toriyama never said that Bardock will never go above low-class, he said that he never managed to do so. Bardock can get stronger, like Goku did.
It also doesn't contradict EoB.
RandomGuy96 wrote:Nappa couldn't even lay a finger on Goku, even when Goku was suppressed to 5,000, so at the very least he can't be anywhere near that number. And he rather explicitly said that he thought that the scouter was broken or wrong after he heard the reading it gave for Goku.
That was until Nappa calmed down. When Nappa calmed down, he was having an even fight with Goku.
Kamiccolo9 wrote:And the other interview? The one that says that Vegeta and his father are the only elites?
Vegeta is a Super Elite in the manga. So, the choices we have are:
- Nappa was a mid-class when the planet was destroyed (Toriyama is talking about that period after all), but was promoted into an elite later.
- Toriyama renamed the 3 classes in the manga (low-class, elite, super elite) into low-class, mid-class, and elite respectively.
- Toriyama missed Nappa's line about being an elite when he recently re-read the manga, and messed things up.
