Dialogue taken word by word from the Ball Z 4Kids dub.Piccolo: Goku! We hast to act yarely! I am going to fire mine Special Beam Cannon at thou and Raditz!
Goku: But why dude? If ya do that, ain't I gonna...?
Piccolo: Nay. i shall lay-to a special technique that will send him to the next dimension leaving thou completely unscratch'd.
Goku: Yay, mondo cool. But won't him discover da ruse?
Piccolo: Then thou will just hast to play along and go to the next dimension as well. Art thou fine with it?
Goku: Sure thing!
(the Special Beam Cannon scene is cut)
Goku: Yup. It worked, Raditz's in da next dimension. I think I'm gonna stick there for a little while.
Krillin: No! Goku! Why did you go alone? I wanted to go too!
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The thing with TMNT though is that they also had one of the two co-creators working on the show as well, and saying 'yay' or 'nay' to certain things as they came up. He helped make sure the show was as close to the original comics as they could get in a Saturday morning cartoon. I don't doubt that if 4Kids had had free reign on the license that they probably would have turned in a MUCH less impressive work.Cure Dragon 255 wrote:I think 4Kids/Toei/Could have pushed the envelope in standing up to censors like they did on TMNT...
It's less to do with attracting attention of kids and more to do with not attracting attention from over protective parents. a lot of parents have some stupid belief that kids are over sensitive angels that can't handle more than the most G rated of content and anything above that will traumatize and corrupt them. The other day I was reading about how they didn't show Katy Perry on Seasame Street because parents complained you could see her cleavage even though most kids watching would be like 2-3 year old and therefore wouldn't even notice and the ones that were old enough would probably be like "ha you can see her boobs."Flame Dragon wrote:I really don't understand why 4Kids thinks kiddifying a show makes it more popular with kids... if anything it's the opposite since kids hate being treated like idiots and love to watch stuff they are not supposed to watch. Violence attracts kids, otherwise we wouldn't see kids playing COD, GTA etc.
Honestly they waste so much money and time editing the footage that they must completely insane.
That was an adaptation. Adaptation is different from how dubs do. Kinda how Toei gave Spider-Man a giant robot and had him not be Peter Parker. And the sister on "Masked Rider" was kinda cute.Hellspawn28 wrote:At least 4kids is not bad as Saban. Saban changes to the Metal Hero shows and Kamen Rider Black RX are worst then 4kids did to One Piece
Ultimate Muscleringworm128 wrote:First off the acting would be worse than the Funi dub, I've watched some 4kids dubs and with the exception of maybe Pokemon they all have a flat 1D delivery that makes the later portions of Funi's dub look like their Kai dub. The only non 4Kids dub from the early 2000's I can think of that was worse was Beyblade.
The casting might have actually been pretty good, to 4Kids credit they were actually good at picking voices, it was directing said voices was where they had trouble. I'm still hoping for an accurate well directed redub of Yu Gi Oh that uses the old 4Kids voices.
MY HOLY GRAIL (110% Serious. Please sell me one)Mayuri Kurotsuchi wrote:"In this world, nothing perfect exists. It may be a cliche after all but it's the way things are. That's precisely why ordinary men pursue the concept of perfection, it's infatuation. But ultimately I have to ask myself "What is the true meaning of being perfect?" and the answer I came up with was nothing. Not one thing. The truth of the matter is I despise perfection! If something is truly perfect, that's IT! The bottom line becomes there is no room for imagination! No space for intelligence or ability or improvement! Do you understand? To men of science like us, perfection is a dead end, a condition of hopelessness. Always strive to be better than anything that came before you but not perfect! Scientist's agonize over the attempt to achieve perfection! That's the kind of creatures we are! We take joy in trying to exceed our grasp, in trying to reach for something that in the end, we have to admit may in fact be unreachable!"
I know that, but Saban still did a bad job on adapting the source material. At least Toei's Spider-Man and MMPR were decent shows as their own things. Also Saban did some changes to the Digimon dubs and I remember fans didn't like the changes.Super Sonic wrote:That was an adaptation. Adaptation is different from how dubs do. Kinda how Toei gave Spider-Man a giant robot and had him not be Peter Parker. And the sister on "Masked Rider" was kinda cute.Hellspawn28 wrote:At least 4kids is not bad as Saban. Saban changes to the Metal Hero shows and Kamen Rider Black RX are worst then 4kids did to One Piece
. MY HOLY GRAIL (110% Serious. Please sell me one)Mayuri Kurotsuchi wrote:"In this world, nothing perfect exists. It may be a cliche after all but it's the way things are. That's precisely why ordinary men pursue the concept of perfection, it's infatuation. But ultimately I have to ask myself "What is the true meaning of being perfect?" and the answer I came up with was nothing. Not one thing. The truth of the matter is I despise perfection! If something is truly perfect, that's IT! The bottom line becomes there is no room for imagination! No space for intelligence or ability or improvement! Do you understand? To men of science like us, perfection is a dead end, a condition of hopelessness. Always strive to be better than anything that came before you but not perfect! Scientist's agonize over the attempt to achieve perfection! That's the kind of creatures we are! We take joy in trying to exceed our grasp, in trying to reach for something that in the end, we have to admit may in fact be unreachable!"
Yeah but even the Yu Gi Oh dub had cases of what I like to call "talking down to the audience acting", where it isn't just flat, it seems they're purposely trying to keep their delivery as simple as possible so not even the way the characters talk is too much for kids. Beyblade is probably the best example. When I watch DBZ it sounds like actors who are trying despite not fully having the hang of voice acting. 4Kids and Beyblade on the other hand sound like they're in a badly acted commercial.Gonstead wrote:Ultimate Muscleringworm128 wrote:First off the acting would be worse than the Funi dub, I've watched some 4kids dubs and with the exception of maybe Pokemon they all have a flat 1D delivery that makes the later portions of Funi's dub look like their Kai dub. The only non 4Kids dub from the early 2000's I can think of that was worse was Beyblade.
The casting might have actually been pretty good, to 4Kids credit they were actually good at picking voices, it was directing said voices was where they had trouble. I'm still hoping for an accurate well directed redub of Yu Gi Oh that uses the old 4Kids voices.
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All of these shows I think should also be added under the "Good" 4Kids dub category. And while YMMV on Yu-Gi-Oh, I think, for the most part it was a good dub. Same with 5D's.
Changing any reference of 'Marines' to 'Navy'? Replacing poison darts with suction cups? Re-colouring the contents of a glass to make it appear more like fruit juice?Cure Dragon 255 wrote:4Kids One Piece wasnt THAT edited.
