Huh? Why? Vegeta and Trunks had far surpassed 17 after their 1st ROSAT trip in just their regular SS forms, before using SSG2 or SSG3, and they didn't master the form.Yep. Though Yamcha should be stronger than any Super Saiyan that hasn't mastered the form, and maybe he could have gotten some modifications from Bulma to increase his power to any extent the author wishes.
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The Monkey King wrote:It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWokeRandomGuy96 wrote:He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
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While I don't like specials since I feel like that they are fillers, but I kinda want to see a special for U9. I would like to know what happen to Freeza and how did they stop Cell along with Buu.
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Are we sure about that?RandomGuy96 wrote:Huh? Why? Vegeta and Trunks had far surpassed 17 after their 1st ROSAT trip in just their regular SS forms, before using SSG2 or SSG3, and they didn't master the form.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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Are you seriously doubting it...?DBZGTKOSDH wrote:Are we sure about that?RandomGuy96 wrote:Huh? Why? Vegeta and Trunks had far surpassed 17 after their 1st ROSAT trip in just their regular SS forms, before using SSG2 or SSG3, and they didn't master the form.
Well, if you want explicit confirmation, the ultra cautious Trunks wonders why Vegeta even bothers using SSG2 on Cell, apparently expecting him to win with just SS.
Chapter: 377 (DBZ 183), P3.1-2
Context: as Vegeta is about to fight second form Cell
Trunks: “Father intends to ‘become’ that right off the bat…! [Become] that…!”
Note: Trunks’ surprise at Vegeta becoming Super Saiyan Grade II so soon may imply that Vegeta would be capable of fighting second form Cell even as a regular Super Saiyan.
The Monkey King wrote:It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWokeRandomGuy96 wrote:He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
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OK then, I guess. But still, that wasn't my point. My point was, Yamcha can be as strong as Salagir wants him, and it would (almost) always make sense.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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Fuck all power ups. You're as strong as the plot makes you. If The author of DBMV wants Yamcha to be on Vegetto level then he can. The reason will be BS but it still be an reason besides plot device.
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Since when is Bulma a better roboticist than Gero, to the extent that she could make cyborgs stronger than Gero's strongest android? IIRC, she could barley understand his tech.DBZGTKOSDH wrote:OK then, I guess. But still, that wasn't my point. My point was, Yamcha can be as strong as Salagir wants him, and it would (almost) always make sense.
The Monkey King wrote:It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWokeRandomGuy96 wrote:He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
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If the author wants someone to be as strong as he wants, he has to give a reason. And Yamcha already has a very good reason: upgrades from Bulma. Though having him at Vegetto level doesn't sound very realistic.TheGmGoken wrote:Fuck all power ups. You're as strong as the plot makes you. If The author of DBMV wants Yamcha to be on Vegetto level then he can. The reason will be BS but it still be an reason besides plot device.
She has 27 years to learn, and she is a super-genius.RandomGuy96 wrote:Since when is Bulma a better roboticist than Gero, to the extent that she could make cyborgs stronger than Gero's strongest android? IIRC, she could barley understand his tech.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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If Bulma can time travel or make a radar. What makes you think after studying robotics that shr can't one up Gero?RandomGuy96 wrote:Since when is Bulma a better roboticist than Gero, to the extent that she could make cyborgs stronger than Gero's strongest android? IIRC, she could barley understand his tech.DBZGTKOSDH wrote:OK then, I guess. But still, that wasn't my point. My point was, Yamcha can be as strong as Salagir wants him, and it would (almost) always make sense.
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She repaired #16 well enough, it seemed. The thing with Bulma is that she just had no experience with the human-based cyborg technology that Gero used for #17 and #18--it was the kind of thing she's never really seen before. Fully-mechanical stuff she's fine with (time machine, gravity chamber, spaceship, #16, deactivation remote...) but she hasn't worked on modified humans like that. She'd probably be able to figure it out if she actually tried, which apparently she did in Universe 9.
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I would guess that Tien needed to do that in order to channel his power in whatever specific way allowed his technique to work. I just sort of took that for granted when I read that chapter....I just thought of something. Once you take Rule of Cool out, why did Tenshinhan grow a new set of hands for a Double Kikoho?Couldn't he have amassed the same amount of power he made with that blast with one set of hands?
Though what I want to know is why the crater was square shaped instead of crater or circle shaped? I've certainly never seen a ki blast do that before!
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...Fionordequester wrote:Though what I want to know is why the crater was square shaped instead of crater or circle shaped? I've certainly never seen a ki blast do that before!
Tenshinhan's technique always did that.
Why do they even use specific poses for their techniques? Couldn't they just do the same with any kind of pose or gesture? That's basically what you are asking. And the answer is that those poses allow them to channel their power better. Tenshinhan apparently is able to channel his power better with an extra set of hands.FoolsGil wrote:I just thought of something. Once you take Rule of Cool out, why did Tenshinhan grow a new set of hands for a Double Kikoho?Couldn't he have amassed the same amount of power he made with that blast with one set of hands?
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Oh yeah, huh...rereboy wrote:Tenshinhan's technique always did that.
Ok, so then why does his Kikoho do that?
Kataphrut wrote:It's a bit of a Boy Who Cried Wolf situation to me...Basically, the boy shouldn't have cried wolf when the wolves just wanted to Go See Yamcha. If not, they might have gotten some help when the wolves came back to Make the Donuts.
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Same reason why Makankosappo is shaped like a drill, Dodonpa is a narrow piercing beam, Kamehameha is a wider pushing/disintegrating sort of beam, Kienzan is a disc, and so on. It's just how the attack works. The shape of the blast happens to be square/rectangular, for some reason, causing it to leave a hole of that shape in the ground behind whenever it's aimed downward.
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It's weird tho, since when aiming the thing, it looks like a triangle.Pantalones wrote:Same reason why Makankosappo is shaped like a drill, Dodonpa is a narrow piercing beam, Kamehameha is a wider pushing/disintegrating sort of beam, Kienzan is a disc, and so on. It's just how the attack works. The shape of the blast happens to be square/rectangular, for some reason, causing it to leave a hole of that shape in the ground behind whenever it's aimed downward.
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Flame Dragon wrote:It's weird tho, since when aiming the thing, it looks like a triangle.
Looks square to me.
"Tri-Beam" is a name in the English version. In Japanese there's nothing related to the number 3 in "Kikoho".
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Yeah, i see it now. Although it's not really a perfectly shaped square. Close enough.
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Looks more like an 'Ace of Spade' to me.
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It is with most people. Could be Tien just has some real big hands.Gonstead wrote:Looks more like an 'Ace of Spade' to me.
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One, that attack should have had no effect on Buu unless he let it. Two, yay, it's over. Three, aww, Buu didn't troll-ishly knock him out, Ten just forfeited.
The Monkey King wrote:It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWokeRandomGuy96 wrote:He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.