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[xmysticgohanx]

After re-reading it I still don't see the problem, he was mostly joking. It wasn't supposed to be some heart felt, teary-eyed speech.

I don't see the problem either, Goten is just joking around.

[TheGmGoken]

After re-reading it I still don't see the problem, he was mostly joking. It wasn't supposed to be some heart felt, teary-eyed speech.

I never implied it was. The speech still sucked even as a Joke. The first bubble was cool and pretty basic funny. Second panel sounded fake

[goku the krump dancer]

My apologies.. But that's the vibe I got from you and the few others who were upset about what he said. If you don't think it was funny, fine it wasn't exactly a knee-slapper to me either. However I don't see what was said as something that was dare I say, "out of character" for Goten.

[jjgp1112]

After re-reading it I still don't see the problem, he was mostly joking. It wasn't supposed to be some heart felt, teary-eyed speech.

I never implied it was. The speech still sucked even as a Joke. The first bubble was cool and pretty basic funny. Second panel sounded fake

Well, um yeah, that's the point. He was being sarcastic and imitating an overblown sales pitch.

[TheGmGoken]

After re-reading it I still don't see the problem, he was mostly joking. It wasn't supposed to be some heart felt, teary-eyed speech.

I never implied it was. The speech still sucked even as a Joke. The first bubble was cool and pretty basic funny. Second panel sounded fake

Well, um yeah, that's the point. He was being sarcastic and imitating an overblown sales pitch.

Sarcasm and sounding fake is too different things. Goku sounded fake on the ally to good. That wasnt sarcasm. Sounding fake on this was more off "could you ever hear that in a show" . I can see GoTrunks sayin that and Goten saying something similar.

[TheGmGoken]

My apologies.. But that's the vibe I got from you and the few others who were upset about what he said. If you don't think it was funny, fine it wasn't exactly a knee-slapper to me either. However I don't see what was said as something that was dare I say, "out of character" for Goten.

I didn't say it was OOC.

[Fionordequester]

You know, I don't really get where people get the whole "Goten would NEVER say that!" notion, considering that we barely spent any time with Teen Goten in the regular series. Heck, if anything, it actually FITS really well, considering how goofy Gotenk's is. I mean, that goofiness has to come from SOMEWHERE, right?

[Marco Polo]

90% of the dialogue sounds fake because it's badly translated. Goten's goofy speech is hardly a first.

[TheGmGoken]

Also why isn't Goku wearing his Green/Blue gi?

Yeah it's a shame. It would have been a good occasion to showcase that costume which wasn't shown much in Toriyama's work (it does appear in Neko Majin Z though).

Yea has the author ever mentioned why?

[UltimateHammerBro]

Reading the couple of comments about Goten's speech, there is a funny debate in the two Spanish versions of the comic.
The European Spanish version kept the speech as it is, sounding like a TV commercial, or something like that. However, the Latin American Spanish eliminated all the TV aspects of it, and just turned it into a generic comment praising Goku, because, supposedly, they wanted to change it into something Latin Americans like, because those things don't happen in the Latin American dub. The debate ensues when people are against changing the original text simply because the translators don't like it, and even some Latin Americans say that they don't understand why they shouldn't like/understand a speech like that.

Now the mod is a bit mad (lame joke, but true) about the matter. Who'd have thought that such an unimportant line would come to this...

EDIT: Btw, it turns out that the discussion got the translator of the Lat.Am version to resign, and I, who criticized the disproportionate outrage of the mod, banned. Not that I commented much, so I'm not really bothered.

[rereboy]

Translaters have to translate. He was doing more than that, he was twisting the original text to fit his view of how the text should be. That's not acceptable, IMO.

[TheGmGoken]

Translaters have to translate. He was doing more than that, he was twisting the original text to fit his view of how the text should be. That's not acceptable, IMO.

Basically he pulled an inaccurate dub but for the manga?

[UltimateHammerBro]

Translaters have to translate. He was doing more than that, he was twisting the original text to fit his view of how the text should be. That's not acceptable, IMO.

Basically he pulled an inaccurate dub but for the manga?

More or less. He did it using the loose excuse of "it's not something Latin Americans like" or "it doesn't appear on the dub".
They've said that the translator has resigned because he's tired of everyone criticizing his work in every page he does. I've never paid much attention to those debates, but one of the first things I noticed about the Latin American version was that, sometimes, they just changed the text for no other reason (they admitted it) than to make it different from the first Spanish version, sometimes resulting on different translations for something which can perfectly and naturally be translated word for word. Now the mod has put all the blame of us and said that the Lat.Am. translation is going to be more mediocre because of criticisms.

I can't imagine what would happen if criticisms regarding Funimation's DBZ translation or just innacurate DBZ translations were banned in this forum

[Fionordequester]

Translaters have to translate. He was doing more than that, he was twisting the original text to fit his view of how the text should be. That's not acceptable, IMO.

Personally, I don't see the problem so long as it at least keeps the spirit of what was said. Or, at the very least, if there IS an alteration, it's one that's made for good reason, and preferably, has the blessing of the creator.

[FoolsGil]

DBM has earned some valid complaints, but all this upset over dialogue? No F-bombs, nothing horribly mistranslated like that "Yamcha, stopped!" fiasco, Is there an actual issue?

[Pantalones]

Yeah, I really don't get all the complaints about that line (especially comparing it to the "ally to good, nightmare to you" speech--where the heck is that comparison even coming from?)

I thought it was pretty obvious that Goten was just making the same jokes a lot of fans make about Goku, or even about DBZ as a whole--how characters die and get resurrected a lot ("he only dies every other time!") and how everyone the main cast beats-but-doesn't-kill randomly becomes friends with them afterward. Did people just... not get that, or what?

(I guess I can kinda see where the "Goten probably wouldn't say that" is coming from, since it seems like a "breaking the 4th wall" sort of joke more than something any character would realistically say, especially one who wasn't even present for most of the things he's joking about here... but other than maybe that? no idea where all the outrage is coming from.)

[rereboy]

Translaters have to translate. He was doing more than that, he was twisting the original text to fit his view of how the text should be. That's not acceptable, IMO.

Personally, I don't see the problem so long as it at least keeps the spirit of what was said. Or, at the very least, if there IS an alteration, it's one that's made for good reason, and preferably, has the blessing of the creator.

If he's making it sound much more like his dub, he's not keeping the spirit of what was being said because nowhere in the original was there any intention of it being similar to his dub.

[Puto]

Of course there was no joke like that in their dub, because there wasn't one in Dragon Ball! With how ridiculously accurate the Mexican Spanish dub was, I find it hard to believe that they'd kill off a joke like that if one existed in the original.

[TheGmGoken]

Not to sound rude by why does Bra look like a crack head

[xmysticgohanx]

I was just about to comment on how Bra looks so ugly in DBM