If a different mangaka wrote Dragon Ball

[FrogTrigger]

Just imagine if Jack Kirby did Dragon Ball. The man was a legend, and did some great stuff.



I miss the King. He was such an amazing comic force.

Omg can you imagine the saiyan saga Kirby style? Cell?


I think the kai's would have a more cosmic tech aesthetic instead of what they do now

[thatdbzguy]

On the subject of Naruto vs DBZ, I'm sorry, but Naruto is infinitely better. The characters are more complex and not as black and white as DBZ's, the plots are more creative, the fights are significantly more varied, etc.

Even if Naruto isn't doing so good now, it's still miles ahead of DBZ.

[JEFFMAN219]

On the subject of Naruto vs DBZ, I'm sorry, but Naruto is infinitely better. The characters are more complex and not as black and white as DBZ's, the plots are more creative, the fights are significantly more varied, etc.

Even if Naruto isn't doing so good now, it's still miles ahead of DBZ.

Narutos character development is just as bad as DBZ.

[thatdbzguy]

On the subject of Naruto vs DBZ, I'm sorry, but Naruto is infinitely better. The characters are more complex and not as black and white as DBZ's, the plots are more creative, the fights are significantly more varied, etc.

Even if Naruto isn't doing so good now, it's still miles ahead of DBZ.

Narutos character development is just as bad as DBZ.

How so?

[JEFFMAN219]

On the subject of Naruto vs DBZ, I'm sorry, but Naruto is infinitely better. The characters are more complex and not as black and white as DBZ's, the plots are more creative, the fights are significantly more varied, etc.

Even if Naruto isn't doing so good now, it's still miles ahead of DBZ.

Narutos character development is just as bad as DBZ.

How so?

Look at ten ten, Kiba, shino, and Ino they barely develop at all.

[Kid Buu]

Look at ten ten, Kiba, shino, and Ino they barely develop at all.

Disagree on Ino considering Team 10 had an entire volume dedicated to how they've come together as a team. Remember in the beginning they couldn't stand each other and were barely functional.

You could kind of tell TenTen was never gonna go anywhere when she jobbed to Temari off-screen in her. Do agree on Team 8 though, kind of a shame as I liked Kiba...

[Vijay]

On the subject of Naruto vs DBZ, I'm sorry, but Naruto is infinitely better. The characters are more complex and not as black and white as DBZ's, the plots are more creative, the fights are significantly more varied, etc.

Even if Naruto isn't doing so good now, it's still miles ahead of DBZ.

Infinetly better? Naruto isn't even in the league of DBZ.

DBZ characters are black and white? Just how complex are Naruto characters?

The lead characters themselves suffer from chronic lack of likable characterizations. Poor bunch of stereotypical, under-developed characters equate to "Complex".

Sasuke's nothing more than stereotypical anti-hero. Lets not even talk about Sakura or Inou's character thats as "complex" as who's gonna ride on Sasuke's penis.

Naruto borders on annoyance, which speaks volumes when it comes to making comparison to the so-called black & white DBZ characters. Him being "inspired" frm Goku shows Son's league.

Speaking of fights. Name me 1 fight thats full-fledged (NOT ridiculous flashbacks RIGHT in the middle of fight which lasts more than 10 minutes) without either Ninja transforming into Freaking Monsters.

For the love of God, Naruto vs Gaara, Naruto vs Oorachimaru, Naruto v Sasuke, all these 3 fights involving Naruto (he's the main albeit uninteresting hero anyway) has Ninja's becoming Animals. Either Naruto standing ontop of Giant Frog or Tails emerging frm his buttocks.

Naruto's a show about Ninja's right? At least thats what its advertised. In fact, its funny load (or is it cool looking for its fan) Giant Beasts with more Filler aka Flashbacks show.

[DonZ]

On the subject of Naruto vs DBZ, I'm sorry, but Naruto is infinitely better. The characters are more complex and not as black and white as DBZ's, the plots are more creative, the fights are significantly more varied, etc.

Even if Naruto isn't doing so good now, it's still miles ahead of DBZ.

Infinetly better? Naruto isn't even in the league of DBZ.

Lets not even talk about Sakura or Inou's character thats as "complex" as who's gonna ride on Sasuke's penis.

No, Sakura is a complex character cause she had a SO sad backstory where she was teased and kids made fun of her cause she got a big-ass forehead, that's some deep shit right here.
honestly, the only complex characters in Naruto are Pain -and thanks to naruto's talk no jutsu he's ruined- and Itachi. those are excellent, top-notch real complex characters. there's some other amazing characters like Orochimaru, but complex? no.

[Kid Buu]

Honestly, I liked all that Sakura/Ino background history and their fight.

[KentalSSJ6]

This is really getting off topic. Not to mini-mod but none of these recent posts have little to anything to do with DBZ under a different author. Its just discussing flaws in Naruto. Can we get this back on track before the thread is locked?

[FrogTrigger]

I think Bryan hitch widescreen action movie realistic style would be cool for DB

I'll post some scans later but I was always kinda disappointed a Goku pastiche didn't show up in planetary. I mean we got Godzilla, Hellblazer, John Woo, Doc Savage and Superman

But yea check out anything from The Authority vol 1 to see what I'm talking about in terms of art.


I would've loved if Jack Kirby somehow worked on a DB related piece before he died. He was working in animation for a bit when Dragon Ball started airing IIRC. I think he could've captured the power and uniqueness of the fight scenes in a different form.

He definitely had a pension for drawing weird aliens like Toriyama

I still say Junji Ito drawing some of the bad guys would be NUTS, check out any of his work like Uzumaki or Hellstar Remina to see what I'm getting at

[KentalSSJ6]

Goku drawn by Masakazu Katsura, author of Wing-man, Shadow Lady, and Zetman.

[Kid Buu]

Dragon Ball Z by Yoshihiro Togashi

1.) The artwork would be extremely lazy and put on hiatus a lot.
2.) The romance would probably be more developed, but inconclusive
3.) No Gohan; instead it will be Goku, Kuririn, Piccolo, Vegeta, and a fighting version of Baba
4.) The fights will generally be easy for the heroes sans Kuririn unless the villains find a way to cheat
5.) Cell Games would be more like the Baba's tournament: team elimination matches against the RRA Android Army

[Flame Dragon]

I'd just like to add that Naruto lost his bragging "people stay dead" card at the end of the Pain Arc, with the bullshit mass ressurection of the entire village.
So i can't help but laugh when people say "Naruto is better because in DBZ Death means nothing".

At least in DB, Death is more interesting thanks to the exploration of the Dragon Ball rules, meanwhile Naruto just flat out pretends someone will stay dead then trolls everyone with massive resurrections.
I literally cringed when Obito wanted to pull a Nagato too... God bless Zetsu.

So yeah, get Kishimoto away from anything Dragon Ball related, he's not worthy.

If anything Oda is much better at capturing the charm of the series.

[The Monkey King]

On the subject of Naruto vs DBZ, I'm sorry, but Naruto is infinitely better. The characters are more complex and not as black and white as DBZ's, the plots are more creative, the fights are significantly more varied, etc.

Even if Naruto isn't doing so good now, it's still miles ahead of DBZ.

This is coming from the guy who claims that a MLP fight scene on par with fan flash animation is better than DBZ fights.

[Bullza]

I guess I must ask again, what is death supposed to mean to you?

A mixture of the two things you said, being sad and/or being a shock. In Naruto some deaths are sad (Asuma) and some are surprising (Gaara) and I do wonder what's going to happen next either way. I wondered how Naruto was going to react after he found out Jiraiya died and what it was going to mean for the story.

Dragon Ball doesn't have this going for it, characters die to progress the story in a way that most times could still happen without that dying. It holds the story back when you know that they'll come back and that what's currently happening doesn't really matter.

Buu wiping out everyone on earth is not the same as if Madara were to do it because you know in Dragon Ball they can just be brought back which lessens the sense of peril. At one point Piccolo even told Buu to go kill the rest of the humans just to buy them some time, but don't worry we'll just bring them back afterwards.

In the long run there's very little repercussions from the villains and all the problems they caused.

[rereboy]

On the subject of Naruto vs DBZ, I'm sorry, but Naruto is infinitely better. The characters are more complex and not as black and white as DBZ's, the plots are more creative, the fights are significantly more varied, etc.

Even if Naruto isn't doing so good now, it's still miles ahead of DBZ.

Please don't make me laugh... Naruto was good at the beginning and had the potential to be better than Dragon Ball but quickly fell flat on its face and overall is much, much worse than Dragon Ball.

[TheGmGoken]

What if Keiko Nobumoto wrote Db.

[thatdbzguy]

On the subject of Naruto vs DBZ, I'm sorry, but Naruto is infinitely better. The characters are more complex and not as black and white as DBZ's, the plots are more creative, the fights are significantly more varied, etc.

Even if Naruto isn't doing so good now, it's still miles ahead of DBZ.

Please don't make me laugh... Naruto was good at the beginning and had the potential to be better than Dragon Ball but quickly fell flat on its face and overall is much, much worse than Dragon Ball.

Even if Naruto isn't as good as it used to be, my reasons for it still being better than DBZ still stand. DBZ is just too braindead and unvariable.

[B]

Dragon Ball doesn't have this going for it, characters die to progress the story in a way that most times could still happen without that dying. It holds the story back when you know that they'll come back and that what's currently happening doesn't really matter.

Buu wiping out everyone on earth is not the same as if Madara were to do it because you know in Dragon Ball they can just be brought back which lessens the sense of peril. At one point Piccolo even told Buu to go kill the rest of the humans just to buy them some time, but don't worry we'll just bring them back afterwards.

It seems you can't really explain your point beyond "death doesn't matter" because I don't see how "peril" is lessened. There's the threat that Goku might lose; that no one may be able to defeat the villain. Of course what's currently happening matters because if everyone dies, who is going to bring who back?

And you can't really fault the final arc of the story for engaging in that type of parody.