What Does Dragon Ball Have Over The Shonen Of Today?

[TheGmGoken]

Different strokes then because the style of humor is practically identical to DB's. And in what way is Koenma not special?

And what shows has the narrator been revealed as one of the characters in such a fashion? Please pick a title that's not obscure. I'm also pretty sure its Jorge not George. Not exactly unheard of for narration being similar to a documentary.

You wrote nothing was fun. Really? None of the fights were fun?

I've seen many characters similar to Koenma. Only thing he got for him going is the pacifier. Pick a title that's the obsure. Wouldn't that be by your standers of obscure? The fighting was meh. Didn't impressed me.

[EXBadguy]

Also if Dragon Ball ended at just the right time... why are there so many debates all the time about how it should/could/was totally meant to end at *INSERT EARLIER POINT IN THE STORY HERE*? Honestly, at the very least the Majin Boo arc severely overstayed its welcome.

Isn't it how the big 3 are like too? "One Piece should've ended at Marineford", "Naruto should've ended at Pain" Bleach should've ended at either Soul Society arc or after Aizen's defeat"? Sure, DB dragged on too, but at least it ended. It took 11 years to do so. One Piece is taking longer than that.

Oh, and by the way, I heard that Attack on Titan is beating One Piece in manga sales. It also was close to beating it in the last year manga sales. This goes to show that people are losing interest in One Piece, especially in Japan.

[TheAldella]

Well, I suppose that Dragon Ball feels more memorable, and sticks out when people think of anime: Because of the marketing it has.
Not really a better or worse situation, because I honestly know few people who've seen all of pre-time skip One Piece and still prefer Dragon Ball on a substantial basis.
I mean don't get me wrong, but from my POV, they're both still very clumsy adaptations and deserve to be redone entirely. (Especially dat Toei pacing for One Piece) Because second chances are always great.
As far as the manga go, if Dragon Ball is a smoothie, One Piece is an ocean of everything in that smoothie unblended.

[sintzu]

Ahem... One Piece has had a clear goal from day one. That clear goal has not yet been reached.

And will only be reached when it starts losing $$$

If Dragon Ball ended at just the right time... why are there so many debates all the time about how it should/could/was totally meant to end

http://www.kanzenshuu.com/intended-end/

Each debate about how it could have ended comes from somewhere and not fans making it up cause they are tired of the series

Honestly, at the very least the Majin Boo arc severely overstayed its welcome.

If you think the buu arc was too long what do you say about this naruto war arc that's been going on for 21 volumes and is no were near it's end ? Keep in mind what you said about the buu arc is only an opinion where bleach overstayed its welcome is a fact proven by numbers where it went from being top 3 to out of the top 10, One piece has been pushed to #2 by a series that has only been out for 3-4 years where dragon ball was #1 for at least all of Z and for another 13-14 years after it ended

[sintzu]

I heard that Attack on Titan is beating One Piece in manga sales. It also was close to beating it in the last year manga sales. This goes to show that people are losing interest in One Piece, especially in Japan.

You heard right,And if these numbers keep up till the end of the year then i can see Attack On Titan having double the numbers of one piece for this year.

[DonZ]

Since HxH is being mentioned, I gotta say I started that recently and am just meh with it. The story is okay but I find Gon to be a dull protagonist and the artwork isn't really detailed. The only thing keeping me interested is Hisoka.

It's the kind of show that keep getting better as it keep going forward with the story arcs. it may seem decent at the first two, or even three arcs, but after that it becomes super interesting. the Yorknew city arc and Chimera Ants arc are phenomenal. you HAVE to watch them!
and since you're interested in Hisoka, he'll play a big part in the Yorknew city arc, you'll like him even more.

overall, i find HxH to be the second best Shounen anime after FMA and FMA:B. and my second favorite anime of all time after Dragon Ball.

Will do. The manga artwork i pretty bad, so I'm watching the 1999 anime instead (Gon has the same VA as Naruto there). I heard the 2011 anime has bad pacing though, but I guess I'll have to switch to that once I finish the 1999 anime.

Didn't realize in the new anime he is voiced by Megumi Han, daughter of the legendary Keiko Han.

Good choice, i think the 99 version has a better art, music -A LOT better actually- atmosphere, while the 2011 tend to stick to the manga more. but the 99 one has some really amazing fillers. some scenes are even better than the manga itself!
it's the kind of anime adoption that surpass the manga.

But you'll have to switch to the 2011 version after finishing the TV series and OVA 1, trust me, you don't want to watch the horrible OVA 2 & 3 (Greed Island arc) which the 2011 version did a faaaar superior work on it.

[Vegard Aune]

If you think the buu arc was too long what do you say about this naruto war arc that's been going on for 21 volumes and is no were near it's end ?

I say I quit reading Naruto ages ago and so I have only a passing familiarity with this war.

Keep in mind what you said about the buu arc is only an opinion where bleach overstayed its welcome is a fact proven by numbers where it went from being top 3 to out of the top 10,

Bleach... Yeah not even touching that, I just find that series generally awful.

One piece has been pushed to #2 by a series that has only been out for 3-4 years where dragon ball was #1 for at least all of Z and for another 13-14 years after it ended

Yes, Attack on Titan sold more than One Piece so far this year. But keep a few things in mind:
1: There has only been one volume released of One Piece this year, as opposed to two for AoT. (Granted, One Piece volume 74 is coming out tomorrow.)
2: One Piece has been consistently selling like hotcakes for years. Everyone already has it.
3: Attack on Titan had an insanely successful 25 episode anime last year. Lots of people would have seen said anime and then been like "Oh, the manga only has 12 volumes out so far. I'm gonna buy all twelve volumes at once now because I want to know what happens next!" (<-The exact thought-process I went through shortly after finishing the anime.)
4: Even if Attack on Titan is more popular at the moment, and let's assume it stays that way... One Piece is still Shuueisha's most successful manga by an enormous margin. More people buying Attack on Titan does not automatically equate to less people buying One Piece.

Isn't it how the big 3 are like too? "One Piece should've ended at Marineford", "Naruto should've ended at Pain" Bleach should've ended at either Soul Society arc or after Aizen's defeat"? Sure, DB dragged on too, but at least it ended. It took 11 years to do so. One Piece is taking longer than that.

Wait, people are saying One Piece should have ended at Marineford? That would have been a terrible ending. Not only because it would mean ending the story when Luffy is still literally half the world away from his goal, but also because Marineford ended on a complete downer that was basically a culmination of two years straight of everything going wrong for the heroes. In a series written by an author who refuses to let dead characters stay dead because it would spoil the mood at the end of a story-arc. Oh, and the entire arc basically just exists to set up the timeskip and sow the seeds for future developments. The only thing Marineford even remotely had going for it that made it "ending-like" was the sheer scope of the events that took place. But it being the most grand, huge, climactic showdown in the story up to that point does not mean it would be a satisfying conclusion.
By comparison, Bleach one could easily just stop reading after either of the points you mentioned and it would still feel like a relatively complete narrative. And people say that Naruto, too, pretty much attained what had been his goal from day one at the end of the Pain-arc. And that also brings things back to the difference between saying that any of those series or DB should have ended earlier, and saying that One Piece should have ended earlier; Naruto, Bleach and Dragon Ball all have points during the story where one could be forgiven for thinking the story was ending. One Piece does not. From day one the goal has been: Cross the Grand Line, reach the final island Raftel, find One Piece, become the Pirate King. They're still nowhere near the end of the Grand Line.

[sintzu]

Naruto and Dragon Ball have points during the story where one could be forgiven for thinking the story was ending.

Where exactly ?

[TheGmGoken]

I heard that Attack on Titan is beating One Piece in manga sales. It also was close to beating it in the last year manga sales. This goes to show that people are losing interest in One Piece, especially in Japan.

You heard right,And if these numbers keep up till the end of the year then i can see Attack On Titan having double the numbers of one piece for this year.

It doesn't mean people lose interest in OP they could just prefer that garbage AoT.

[EXBadguy]

More people buying Attack on Titan does not automatically equate to less people buying One Piece.

It doesn't mean people lose interest in OP

Still though, the sales have been dropping year after year during the five year gap of the series being #1.

they could just prefer that garbage AoT.

Ima find you! Just playin'. But anyway, that'd be the last anime I'll ever be interested in because I have no hope for today's anime standards. All they want is kawaii and fanservice now. Aot and One Piece are the only two modern anime I enjoy.

And that also brings things back to the difference between saying that any of those series or DB should have ended earlier, and saying that One Piece should have ended earlier; Naruto, Bleach and Dragon Ball all have points during the story where one could be forgiven for thinking the story was ending. One Piece does not. From day one the goal has been: Cross the Grand Line, reach the final island Raftel, find One Piece, become the Pirate King. They're still nowhere near the end of the Grand Line.

All of what you say is true about the Marineford arc, I also agree that it would be a terrible ending, but by the time Luffy gets to be the pirate, many people are gonna be old and not remembering what One Piece or ANY anime was. And I think One Piece does have some forgiven endings, just cut out some of the villains who are deemed useless and unpopular, or just after Marineford, just have Luffy find the treasure at the Grand Line, and then the series won't be longer than it is now. I may love One Piece, but I don't blame people for losing interest in it, cuz it can be long and boring. The only series I kept up with during the whole time was Dragonball and I will NOT do the same with One Piece cuz it's as far as it goes. That's why the sales keep dropping.

[sintzu]

I heard that Attack on Titan is beating One Piece in manga sales. It also was close to beating it in the last year manga sales. This goes to show that people are losing interest in One Piece, especially in Japan.

You heard right,And if these numbers keep up till the end of the year then i can see Attack On Titan having double the numbers of one piece for this year.

It doesn't mean people lose interest in OP.

2011 it sold 38 million

2012 it sold 23 million (15 million fans gone)

2013 it sold 18 million (another 5 million gone)

Losing 20 million fans in 2 years doesn't mean people are losing interest ?

Add another 10 million this year if the sales keep up the way they are now

[Kid Buu]

I heard that Attack on Titan is beating One Piece in manga sales. It also was close to beating it in the last year manga sales. This goes to show that people are losing interest in One Piece, especially in Japan.

You heard right,And if these numbers keep up till the end of the year then i can see Attack On Titan having double the numbers of one piece for this year.

It doesn't mean people lose interest in OP they could just prefer that garbage AoT.

I didn't think much of AoT from what I saw.

[Vegard Aune]

Naruto and Dragon Ball have points during the story where one could be forgiven for thinking the story was ending.

Where exactly ?

...The chapter that concludes the "Dragon Ball" portion of the anime and the end of the Cell Games both feel very ending-y. Heck, for the latter you'd literally have to change nothing at all, just take the chapter where Trunks saves the future as-is, slap a big "THE END" after it and boom, perfectly adequate ending to the entire story. And for the former you'd just have to take out Roshi's comment that "The story will continue, don't worry" and it would likewise feel like a perfectly adequate ending. Seriously, don't tell me that "The Gift of the Dragon Balls" doesn't feel like a final chapter.

Oh yeah, and by the way...

More people buying Attack on Titan does not automatically equate to less people buying One Piece.

It doesn't mean people lose interest in OP

Still though, the sales have been dropping year after year during the five year gap of the series being #1

http://www.animenewsnetwork.com.au/news ... les/.75118

One Piece volume 73 was the top-selling single volume with 2,825,339 copies. (The volume debuted in March.) It was the only volume to top two million copies in the first half of 2014. In doing so, it maintained One Piece's six-year streak at #1 among single volumes.

Attack on Titan volume 12 sold 1,770,746 copies in the first half of 2014 to rank #2 among all single comic volumes. (The volume debuted last December.) Volume 13 debuted in April and sold 1,665,561 copies to rank #3. All 13 volumes in the main Attack on Titan series ranked in Oricon's top 100 comic volumes for the period. In all, 17 Attack on Titan books (including limited editions and tie-in books) ranked in the top 100.

You know, this to me indicates that One Piece is still overall more popular and that AoT only came out on top overall because of so many people buying the older volumes in addition to the new ones. (Again, One Piece wouldn't sell as many backlog volumes because everyone already bought them.)

[TheGmGoken]

2011 it sold 38 million

2012 it sold 23 million (15 million fans gone)

2013 it sold 18 million (another 5 million gone)

Losing 20 million fans in 2 years doesn't mean people are losing interest ?

Perhaps they're spending money on other anime and manga as I said earlier. The interested level could be the same but they could prefer a different series

[sintzu]

Naruto and Dragon Ball have points during the story where one could be forgiven for thinking the story was ending.

Where exactly ?

...The chapter that concludes the "Dragon Ball" portion of the anime and the end of the Cell Games both feel very ending-y. Heck, for the latter you'd literally have to change nothing at all, just take the chapter where Trunks saves the future as-is, slap a big "THE END" after it and boom, perfectly adequate ending to the entire story. And for the former you'd just have to take out Roshi's comment that "The story will continue, don't worry" and it would likewise feel like a perfectly adequate ending. Seriously, don't tell me that "The Gift of the Dragon Balls" doesn't feel like a final chapter.

Dragon ball ending : True if Goku didn't let Piccolo go so they could have a re-match.

Cell saga ending : Ending the series with goku's death ? Ending the series before we get the goku and vegeta rematch ? That would have been just bad especially not getting the rematch

[sintzu]

Perhaps they're spending money on other anime and manga as I said earlier. The interested level could be the same but they could prefer a different series

I'd say that if the numbers were'nt that much but come on 20 million and maby 10 this year clearly means that fans are tired of the series.

Naruto on the other hand yes cause for the past years the numbers have been in the same range as each other.

[VegettoEX]

Please remember that your discussions must relate to Dragon Ball in some way.

[Vegard Aune]

Dragon ball ending : True if Goku didn't let Piccolo go so they could have a re-match.

Cell saga ending : Ending the series with goku's death ? Ending the series before we get the goku and vegeta rematch ? That would have been just bad especially not getting the rematch

So basically ending the manga with the implication that there are still things to come means it's a bad ending. Uh... How do I possibly say this without coming across as a massive douchebag...? The manga ended on a completely open note clearly showing that there were more adventures to come.

And y'know, that Goku/Piccolo rematch? Never happened. The Goku/Vegeta rematch? Got interrupted and never had a winner. And what would be so terrible about ending it with Goku dying? Goku was perfectly happy with it, and it's clear that at the time Toriyama had no intention of reviving him. The manga itself literally says that Gohan is taking over as the main character at that point.

[sintzu]

So basically ending the manga with the implication that there are still things to come means it's a bad ending.

Would you be ok if one piece ended after marineford ?

And what would be so terrible about ending it with Goku dying?

It's never a good ending when a show ends with the hero's death

It's clear that at the time Toriyama had no intention of reviving him.

Toriyama never planned anything he just did what had to be done to make the story go forword.

The manga itself literally says that Gohan is taking over as the main character at that point.

And he was the main charecter for awhile,but that didn't mean we would never see goku again.

[Vegard Aune]

So basically ending the manga with the implication that there are still things to come means it's a bad ending.

Would you be ok if one piece ended after marineford ?

Was Dragon Ball's main focus, from the beginning to the end, killing Piccolo?
See, DB ending with Piccolo's defeat at the tournament wouldn't be like One Piece ending at Marineford. It would be like One Piece ending with Luffy having found the One Piece and becoming the Pirate King and all that jazz... and then saying "Now let's go have some more adventures!" The DB equivalent of One Piece ending at Marineford would be like, oh... Dragon Ball ending with Goku defeating Oolong, without them ever getting all the Dragon Balls. aka ending the story when there are clearly major story-points that have been set up that aren't anywhere near being resolved. By comparison, when Goku defeated Piccolo at the tournament, pretty much everything that had been going on up to that point had been satisfyingly wrapped up.

It's never a good ending when a show ends with the hero's death

You know... My all-time favorite anime ends with its main character dying (in a manner of speaking) to save the rest of the cast. And I consider that one of the finest endings to anything I have ever seen. Now, since I just kinda gave away the ending (though I was intentionally being really vague; There was WAY more to it than that) I'm going to spoiler-tag what anime I'm referring to. It's

Spoiler:

Puella Magi Madoka Magica.