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Hmm clever...not!DBZGTKOSDH wrote:I'm playing BT3, and Freeza doesn't do the Kamehameha, Chaozu doesn't do the Kaio-ken, and Dr. Uiro doesn't have the same fighting style as Yamcha, nor the same voices, or dialog.ringworm128 wrote:And ironically you end up doing that anyway since most of the characters are Goku and Vegeta but with different skins.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
It's not the same and you know it, putting "useless" characters and moreover, without creativity in their movesets just for the sake to have big number is pointless.DBZGTKOSDH wrote:A lot, but not everyone. And these are used by everyone in the series itself, so it's like complaining about Gohan, Kuririn, Yamcha, Cell, etc having a Kamehameha in the game like Goku.
So, they shouldn't have Goten in the game unless they thought a unique technique for him? That sucks.Zenkashuu wrote:It's not the same and you know it, putting "useless" characters and moreover, without creativity in their movesets just for the sake to have big number is pointless.DBZGTKOSDH wrote:A lot, but not everyone. And these are used by everyone in the series itself, so it's like complaining about Gohan, Kuririn, Yamcha, Cell, etc having a Kamehameha in the game like Goku.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
The characters that don't have any presented abilities significant enough to be unique for themselves? Full-Power Ki blast, Volley and Power Rushes are stock moves used for characters who didnt show they can do anything else.Zenkashuu wrote:Hmm clever...not!DBZGTKOSDH wrote:I'm playing BT3, and Freeza doesn't do the Kamehameha, Chaozu doesn't do the Kaio-ken, and Dr. Uiro doesn't have the same fighting style as Yamcha, nor the same voices, or dialog.ringworm128 wrote:And ironically you end up doing that anyway since most of the characters are Goku and Vegeta but with different skins.
Now tell me how many do Energy Blast Volley or Power Rush?
No they aren't. There are at least 4 different combo strings among each of the characters and unique moves only go to characters who actually have them. Most characters outside the Z fighters and main villains don't have anything original themselves but the characters themselves are the template.ringworm128 wrote:And ironically you end up doing that anyway since most of the characters are Goku and Vegeta but with different skins.Rocketman wrote:Because I'm not dropping 40bux on a game to play as Goku vs Vegeta again.
It doesnt matter how diverse those 10 characters are, playing as the same ones over and within that limit makes the game itself boring. I prefer content.sintzu wrote:To have more options to play withwhat's better : 10 charecters that are compleatley diffrent or 50 that are diffrent enough? I would say it's more like 5 characters that are different enough, Playing as Goku feels exactly the same as playing as Bardock, Yamcha or Tullece etc. Even Street Fighter's shoto clones feel more diverse.
Zephyr wrote:The fandom's collective fetishizing of "moments" is also ridiculous to me. No, not everyone needs a fucking "shine" moment. If that's all you want, then all you want is fanservice, rather than an actual coherent story. And of course those aren't mutually exclusive; you could have a coherent story with "shine" moments! But if a story is perfectly coherent (and I'm really not seeing any compelling arguments that this one is anything but, despite constantly recurring, really poorly reasoned, attempts to argue otherwise), and you're bemoaning the lack of "shine" moments as a reason for the story's poor quality, then you're letting your thirst for "shine" moments obfuscate your ability to detect basic storytelling when it's right in front of you.
At this point in DBZ games, I just one thats actually playable now. I dont care if all the characters play the same (which they dont) I want to feel like I'm playing DBZ, demanding special treatment for various characters only gives Namco the insentive to hold it as a gimmick instead of a standard and I don't want gimmicky gameplay (BoZ)Darknat wrote:Well, I do want a good storymode, but I want good gameplay as well, or at least, good enough. That's why I always have defended the Sparking games, they do have good gameplay and a lot possibilities, but it's not polished. There is always the problem that everyone says that characters fight exactly the same. Thing is, there are easy ways to diferentiate them. I said this lots of times and I always use the same example. Just by doing the rushes as chains, that would work wonders for individualizing them.
RB combos feel way to scripted and imput frames dont feel smooth at all especially the Raging Soul thing. BT3 had more freeedom with its system - you could even create your own can cancels through directional stuns before RB2 scripted them into linearity.Darknat wrote:Raging Blast does something similar with some rushes, but the way it's done doesn't feel right for some reason and seems way too simplistic.
If Tenkaichi's engine allowed Running/ Run Dashing/ Super Rising + Super Decending/ Jumping and rolling, we'd have a pretty good game.Darknat wrote:Adding that, a few added things from RB2, cancels, and ground combat they would have a great game.
Meh, gameplay in that game looks slow, but their stage destruction is what we're missing.Darknat wrote:Zenkai Battle Royale is probably the closest thing right now to this, but I don't really know how the chains work exactly.
that I agree. I don't want them to make it so every special attacks requires an open pause just to launch it, it takes away the strategy of having to avoid them and doesnt fix the spamming problem.Darknat wrote:I agree his a voice for the community, but I disagree in several of his ideas. He's looking for a flashy game more than a good game. For instance I disagree with using the system of Ultimate Blast to deal with ultimates. Minigames and quick events can kill the flow of a game, specially if it's a fighting game.
My solution for it would have just used Ultimate Blast's Ki system alone. Seperate Ki for movement and Spirit for Projectiles. Make Ki chargable and Spirit Auto refill and we're done. There is no need for the "Long range / Short range" idea, sounds complicateded and unbalancable.Darknat wrote:Also I prefer using the ultimates freely instead of just once, as long as they have some kind of limit. I liked the blast stocks for ultimates in Sparking for instance (not so much for transformations or for Goku's Kaioken which I think were done better in RB).
Zephyr wrote:The fandom's collective fetishizing of "moments" is also ridiculous to me. No, not everyone needs a fucking "shine" moment. If that's all you want, then all you want is fanservice, rather than an actual coherent story. And of course those aren't mutually exclusive; you could have a coherent story with "shine" moments! But if a story is perfectly coherent (and I'm really not seeing any compelling arguments that this one is anything but, despite constantly recurring, really poorly reasoned, attempts to argue otherwise), and you're bemoaning the lack of "shine" moments as a reason for the story's poor quality, then you're letting your thirst for "shine" moments obfuscate your ability to detect basic storytelling when it's right in front of you.
I couldn't agree more, while more characters sound great if it means sacrificing the unique traits of each for clones then i definitely find greater importance in the developers focusing on other areas such as how each character plays, unique controls or move sets and other such differences.Hellspawn28 wrote:What good it is to have 100+ characters when most of them are clones and a lot of them were crap? I think 64 is a good amount of characters to play from. I have been on DBZ web sites for 13 years and no one bitch about Budokai 3 being 40 characters back in 2004. The post-2005 DBZ games made fans spoiled in my opinion.
To be perfectly honest, I couldn't care less about the fans a re-issue might alienate because if all they're concerned about is being able to scalp the people who were either unaware of the Dragon Boxes or couldn't afford them at the time, they're just leeches and deserve to have their greed backfire on them.
That's a good point you raise as well, it is fun to have more characters at your disposal, i can understand and agree with that. I see both sides you guys represent here, all valid arguments from both perspectives.Gokuden wrote:Because I like to mess around with characters and roleplay, why not?
We have the PS4 for God's sake, you can shove a million characters down its throat, I wasn't happy with Burst Limit's limited roster. A game can have a complex fighting system, as well as a gazirrion characters in the new Gen.
What happens if you have 100 fight mode, and the same characters appear over and over? Talk about immersion. I don't agree with you OP, nor do I like your post.
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But what about the uniqueness in the gameplay? Like instead of Goku and Bardock having the same damn combos, have Goku's combos be long but quick and have Bardocks combos be short and strong.Gokuden wrote:Because I like to mess around with characters and roleplay, why not?
We have the PS4 for God's sake, you can shove a million characters down its throat, I wasn't happy with Burst Limit's limited roster. A game can have a complex fighting system, as well as a gazirrion characters in the new Gen.
Akira Toriyama wrote:If anyone. ANYONE AT TOEI! Makes a movie about old and weak major villains returning, or making recolored versions of Super Saiyan, I'ma come to yo company and evict you from doing Dragon Ball ever again! Only I do those things, because people love me, and they despise you....derp!
Marco Polo wrote:Goku Black is a fan of DBZ who hates Super and has taken the form of a younger Goku (thinner shape, softer hair) to avenge the original series by destroying the new.
Honestly, even in the Tenkaichi/Sparking games, there were subtle differences in how most of the characters played. BT3/Sparking Meteor may not have been a particularly deep fighter but it is a Dragon Ball game, so I'm not expecting them to be like Tekken. Large rosters are just fun because they give you more to play around with in the game and it's cool having all of these Dragon Ball characters to choose from. From a fighting game perspective, I'd Budokai 3 is the best but BT3 wins in the fan service department.EXBadguy wrote:But what about the uniqueness in the gameplay? Like instead of Goku and Bardock having the same damn combos, have Goku's combos be long but quick and have Bardocks combos be short and strong.Gokuden wrote:Because I like to mess around with characters and roleplay, why not?
We have the PS4 for God's sake, you can shove a million characters down its throat, I wasn't happy with Burst Limit's limited roster. A game can have a complex fighting system, as well as a gazirrion characters in the new Gen.
Don't get me wrong, I wanna play as new characters too, I even commended Hero Mode in Ultimate Tenkaichi because it was something new, no matter how limited it was. I may like all of that, but just throwing new characers in the roster and making them have the same or similar combos to the rest of the cast isn't something that I and many people want. It's no wonder why half the fans gave u on the games after Budokai 3, and no, I never asked for a 2-D game.
