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[Fionordequester]

Why is it different when a woman's head is popped off? Because women deserve to be protected, and that's pretty much the attitude that many males (including myself) want to adopt, because we hope that, by adopting that attitude, we can become the great husbands and fathers that we want to be.

Plus, you know, without women, the human race would die. I mean, you kill one guy...then it's just that one guy who's dead. But you kill one woman...then it's not just one person you've killed. You've also killed every single possible boy and girl that that woman may have given birth to if you hadn't killed her, so to me, it only makes sense that males, as a race, are going to be protective of their women.

That said, I do think Cetra is overreacting. I mean, the person Vegeta killed was a woman, sure, but she's also someone who's going to try and kill Vegeta. So yeah, obviously Vegeta isn't going to have any qualms about killing her, in graphic detail or otherwise.

[RandomGuy96]

Why is it different when a woman's head is popped off? Because women deserve to be protected, and that's pretty much the attitude that many males (including myself) want to adopt, because we hope that, by adopting that attitude, we can become the great husbands and fathers that we want to be.

Plus, you know, without women, the human race would die. I mean, you kill one guy...then it's just that one guy who's dead. But you kill one woman...then it's not just one person you've killed. You've also killed every single possible boy and girl that that woman may have given birth to if you hadn't killed her, so to me, it only makes sense that males, as a race, are going to be protective of their women.

That said, I do think Cetra is overreacting. I mean, the person Vegeta killed was a woman, sure, but she's also someone who's going to try and kill Vegeta. So yeah, obviously Vegeta isn't going to have any qualms about killing her, in graphic detail or otherwise.

So to you, they just inherently deserve more? They're inherently worth more? That's pretty much the definition of sexism, not to mention that it's quite a harmful and toxic attitude in today's society.

[TheGmGoken]

Why is it different when a woman's head is popped off? Because women deserve to be protected, and that's pretty much the attitude that many males (including myself) want to adopt, because we hope that, by adopting that attitude, we can become the great husbands and fathers that we want to be.

Plus, you know, without women, the human race would die. I mean, you kill one guy...then it's just that one guy who's dead. But you kill one woman...then it's not just one person you've killed. You've also killed every single possible boy and girl that that woman may have given birth to if you hadn't killed her, so to me, it only makes sense that males, as a race, are going to be protective of their women.

That said, I do think Cetra is overreacting. I mean, the person Vegeta killed was a woman, sure, but she's also someone who's going to try and kill Vegeta. So yeah, obviously Vegeta isn't going to have any qualms about killing her, in graphic detail or otherwise.

So to you, they just inherently deserve more? They're inherently worth more? That's pretty much the definition of sexism, not to mention that it's quite a harmful and toxic attitude in today's society.

Let's not forget he implied that women are only here to breed. Men help make the kid. Kill one man. Imagine all the kids he could make along with women. Without men we could not live either as you need a sperm and an egg.

[FoolsGil]

Wow. I was so wrong about Vegeta giving a shit about the saiyans. This guy, so unflappable, ha.

[Fionordequester]

So to you, they just inherently deserve more? They're inherently worth more?

Mmm...yeah, I'd say that's about the size of it. Or at the very least, that it's a man's job to treat women as though that's true (that way, they'll be nicer to them than they would've been otherwise). Not to say that I'd sacrifice Martin Luther King Jr. so that Elizabeth Báthory will live, but all other things being equal, yeah, that's basically right.

Let's not forget he implied that women are only here to breed. Men help make the kid. Kill one man. Imagine all the kids he could make along with women. Without men we could not live either as you need a sperm and an egg.

Nah, that wasn't meant to be the whole argument. I was just saying that being protective of women makes sense from an evolutionary standpoint as well, so I'm not just being an overly sentimental idiot.

[Cetra]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't there a panel that showed a woman missing her entire lower half in the Buu arc? It was right around the time that everyone discovered Babidi's ship.

Which is what I also covered in my explanations about the moment of killing and how much attention it got panel wise. The woman was dead and the panel war tiny.

Also, it is pretty pointless to talk about "sexism" just because I say I want something that is understood by many people and that is even shown to be displayed by the behaviour of the original author himself. I cannot actually be overreacting, because I made one post about it being a no go and that was it. Other posts asked for an explanation and that was all I did. I can also show a direct comparison of all 42 manga if that is really wished, though it is not necessary, I guess. And "it is fiction" is one of the most pointless arguments in such discussions ever. Just because it is fiction I also don't want people to make movies about rape or anything. Akira Toriyama and Toei's way to express themselves in Dragon Ball, where Zangya, a woman in a team of villains who was split in half except her, or generally the violence and moment of death was shown way less, are just something that is an actual exististing thing in the telling of Dragon Ball so it is not something I just say but something they purposely made. And something that definitely is good. Surely I would like it more if there were no violence existing in general but that is impossible and in Dragon Ball the "main group" has been chosen to not be everyone.

No one gender gets special treatment over the other.

Except they do which is the point of my comment. And I already said random children, so boys and girls were cautiousy treated like that as well. Dragon Ball was written and drawn like that. Freezer is cut in pieces. Saibaman and Cell Jr. are blown and punched into pieces. Men exploded into bits, lost their heads and all and women and children were never treated like this. I am talking about the actual death scene, as said. Cyborg 18 was just blasted away by Trunks and you didn't see anything, Videl was beaten up which is horrible enough, then that woman who was already shown dead, West Kaioshin was not shown in the Anime as she was killed, Zangya got a special treatment, et cetera. I just mention what happened. That is the reason and not because there are not many women shown. There are enough opportunities but it was decided to go a very normal and human way. No sexism. I rather wonder why people wish for more people being killed just to treat them equally. "Women and children first" is something that is a very old and still, no matter what, existing way of thinking. Because it is normal. Biologically and psychological. I do not say with it that all lives are worth differently.

[KentalSSJ6]

Lets just leave it at this.

Women and men are equal. No more and no less than each other. No one gender gets special treatment over the other.

Now can we get back to talking about Vegeta committing Saiyan mass murder?

[Fionordequester]

Well, I don't want to derail this thread, so sure. BTW, obviously I'm not going to carry my statement to it's logical extremes, because I think we, as humans, are all descended from the same mother and father, and therefore, we are all family. It's just that I also prescribe to the idea of "women and children first".

[TheGmGoken]

Well, I don't want to derail this thread, so sure. BTW, obviously I'm not going to carry my statement to it's logical extremes, because I think we, as humans, are all descended from the same mother and father, and therefore, we are all family. It's just that I also prescribe to the idea of "women and children first".

I don't come from same mother and father as you people. I'm son of universe 18 Goten. I'm half Saiyan. I'm rooting for Dad to win this. No one can beat Goten.

Viva
Son
Goten

[RandomGuy96]

Buu's probably gonna beat him to death with his own fused leg, though.

[TheGmGoken]

Buu's probably gonna beat him to death with his own fused leg, though.

In a way. Boo ate everything. Even Goten. Soo...Goten still wins.

Viva
Son
Goten

[RandomGuy96]

Buu's probably gonna beat him to death with his own fused leg, though.

In a way. Boo ate everything. Even Goten. Soo...Goten still wins.

Viva
Son
Goten

...how does Goten win by being eaten by Buu?

[TheGmGoken]

Buu's probably gonna beat him to death with his own fused leg, though.

In a way. Boo ate everything. Even Goten. Soo...Goten still wins.

Viva
Son
Goten

...how does Goten win by being eaten by Buu?

Because now he's apart of Boo. There's a bit of Goten power in Boo. So Boo using Gotens power to win indirectly.
Viva
Son
Goten

[Fionordequester]

Because now he's apart of Boo. There's a bit of Goten power in Boo. So Boo using Gotens power to win indirectly.
Viva
Son
Goten

I dunno man, having my consciousness stripped away in order to be used as some kind of tool for someone else to get what they want? If that's what you call a victory, then I'm honestly not sure that was a fight worth winning...

[Kamiccolo9]

Because now he's apart of Boo. There's a bit of Goten power in Boo. So Boo using Gotens power to win indirectly.
Viva
Son
Goten

I ate a cheeseburger today. And then I used the energy obtained from that cheeseburger to go out and feed other cows, who will later be made into cheeseburgers.

I don't see how the cows are winners in this situation.

[TheGmGoken]

Because now he's apart of Boo. There's a bit of Goten power in Boo. So Boo using Gotens power to win indirectly.
Viva
Son
Goten

I ate a cheeseburger today. And then I used the energy obtained from that cheeseburger to go out and feed other cows, who will later be made into cheeseburgers.

I don't see how the cows are winners in this situation.

Simple. The Cow wins because it's living life on the food chain and has fuilled its purpose. It gave energy back. Think bout it. You in college. Do it gives you energy or makes you tired. If it gives you energy he supporting the world and the basic idea of food chain. If he makes you tired and not study or miss class. Payback a bitch. He got his revenge.

[Rocketman]

Just how much weed did you smoke, Goken.

[TheGmGoken]

Just how much weed did you smoke, Goken.

I'm on that good shit.

[Li'l Lemmy]

I'm totally a Goten person and yet so, so lost... o_o;

[Kamiccolo9]

Because now he's apart of Boo. There's a bit of Goten power in Boo. So Boo using Gotens power to win indirectly.
Viva
Son
Goten

I ate a cheeseburger today. And then I used the energy obtained from that cheeseburger to go out and feed other cows, who will later be made into cheeseburgers.

I don't see how the cows are winners in this situation.

Simple. The Cow wins because it's living life on the food chain and has fuilled its purpose. It gave energy back. Think bout it. You in college. Do it gives you energy or makes you tired. If it gives you energy he supporting the world and the basic idea of food chain. If he makes you tired and not study or miss class. Payback a bitch. He got his revenge.

You're not making any sense at all, and as far as I can tell, you're just arguing for the sake of arguing. You don't even have a real point. You're just rambling.