If a different mangaka wrote Dragon Ball

[EXBadguy]

I honestly don't think anybody could do better artworks than Toryama. He and Oda are GODS!

Seems like everyone puts Dragon Ball and One Piece on a pedestal around here. I like them all personally.

This, and that should be all that matters, people. Though I'ma say my honest opinions, Naruto went to shit after Pain and One Piece became boring during the Punk Hazard, though reading it from time to time. As for the DB series, even though I love all of it, the only saga I thought was the worst was the second part of Buu.

And whoever says the settings in DBZ are the same, what about the city, Supreme Kai's island, Dr Gero's cave, Mountain Road, Namek, and the Cell Ring? Were they wastelands?

[Cetra]

If, however, Masakazu Katsura (Video Girl Ai/I"s/DNA2/Zetman/various Toriyama collaborations), had done Dragon Ball...there would be even more intricate art, though perhaps the battles wouldn't look quite as dynamic; there'd be a lot more focus on the romance aspect of the series; would also likely be much shorter, even more so than Watsuki's take (let's say Daimao arc); and there'd be Batman references galore. Oh, and in this alternate reality, Toriyama would have taken to trying to draw romantic comedy stories in Katsura's place, and the universe implodes from the sheer insanity of that idea.

And it would kick so much more ass than it already does.

Masakazu Katsura is the best in my opinion.

[TheGmGoken]

What if Toriyama editor wrote DB and Toriyama was the editor?

[thatdbzguy]

What if Toriyama editor wrote DB and Toriyama was the editor?

Then DB would have no material in it that's even slightly dark and be a pure gag-comic all the way to its end.

Naruto is awesome. Y'all just a bunch of haters. Seems like everyone puts Dragon Ball and One Piece on a pedestal around here. I like them all personally.

Naruto is horrible. One of the worst manga ever.
It was really great in Part I and it was good at the start of Part II, nowadays it's a joke.

It's not even interesting anymore, i feel like i'm reading fanfiction.
Aliens? Different dimensions?

So it's bad if Naruto introduces aliens and different dimensions, yet it's perfectly okay when DBZ throws them in?

[EXBadguy]

What if Toriyama editor wrote DB and Toriyama was the editor?

I think he/she might do a better job in the later sagas. Maybe fix some of the problems Toryama left. And let's not forget about the Battle of Gods early concept. For that I either wanted the Bils lizard design or the original design, along with Goku's early SSG concept with bigger muscles and a cape.

Speaking of that, are there any pictures of the earlier concepts?

So it's bad if Naruto introduces aliens and different dimensions, yet it's perfectly okay when DBZ throws them in?

At least the aliens and different dimensions in DBZ looked and felt original, while some of them in Naruto Shippuden came outta nowhere and were either dumb or bland. But then again, it's my opinion. YOU on the other hand just go around act like your opinion's a fact and act like a hot shot or something, like, everybody's getting tired of your crap. If you don't like DBZ, but like DB, then change your avatar or something.

[TheGmGoken]

it's bad if Naruto introduces aliens and different dimensions, yet it's perfectly okay when DBZ throws them in?

Most people before seeing Z assumed he was an alien. An android called him non human. Pretty sure it was built up unintentionally to have aliens. Which only 3 arcs had. Out of the entire manga only 3 arcs had aliens. While in Naruto (I'm a Naruto fanboy. A proud one.) it's garbage. The whole arc been garbage.

[Retan]

I honestly don't think anybody could do better artworks than Toryama. He and Oda are GODS!

Seems like everyone puts Dragon Ball and One Piece on a pedestal around here. I like them all personally.

This, and that should be all that matters, people. Though I'ma say my honest opinions, Naruto went to shit after Pain and One Piece became boring during the Punk Hazard, though reading it from time to time. As for the DB series, even though I love all of it, the only saga I thought was the worst was the second part of Buu.

And whoever says the settings in DBZ are the same, what about the city, Supreme Kai's island, Dr Gero's cave, Mountain Road, Namek, and the Cell Ring? Were they wastelands?

Lol I love this thread, everybody getting nasty. But this argument, (DBZ is my favorite, and wouldn't really want anyone else trying dragonball) made me laugh. just the last sentence/paragraph though.

[Fionordequester]

it's bad if Naruto introduces aliens and different dimensions, yet it's perfectly okay when DBZ throws them in?

There's a distinct difference between the two shows though, namely, that Dragon Ball Z has NEVER taken itself all that seriously, especially not at the point when aliens were first introduced (remember, we had just gotten off of Dragon Ball, which had it's goofy moments, but was still just escapist fun). So in that way, Dragon Ball and even Dragon Ball Z is more or less the "Indiana Jones" of Japanese manga (outside of a few dark moments of course). Plus, it had also ALWAYS been full of bizarre things, from talking dinosaurs, to talking dogs, to Piccolo (or as my best friend called him, "a giant green pickle"), to dome shaped houses, to capsules that could hold anything and everything, to mermaids, to vampire guys, to mummies...basically anything and everything. So when aliens are introduced, it's really just par for the course.

Naruto, on the other hand, has ALWAYS taken itself very seriously. I mean heck, it's very first episode is about how Naruto has always been shunned by the townspeople, how some jerkwad tricks him into getting a scroll full of forbidden techniques, then tries to kill him, only to have Naruto's teacher step in and save him...all really dramatic stuff, right? And then our first major villain? Some psychopath with a huge sword who is so psychotic, that he once killed all of his classmates, and then reflected on how goooood it felt. And yeah, we had animal spirits, but, even that fit into the show's main theme of mysticism and ninjas and all that...

So, when you throw aliens into DBZ, it's not that big of a shock, because it's not any goofier than what Dragon Ball already had. But when you throw aliens into Naruto? The same show that spent it's entire run trying to be all dramatic and stuff? And when you make said aliens major and pivotal characters? Then yeah, that's going to be a little silly!

[Gyt Kaliba]

I'm glad you posted that Fionordequester, because I was thinking the exact same thing but couldn't figure out a very good way to explain it. DB and Naruto do share some base similarities (mostly due to Kishimoto being part of the Dragon Ball generation, and the fact that they're both Weekly Shonen Jump titles), but beyond that they're very different series, and while something like aliens works in Dragon Ball, it wouldn't in Naruto I don't feel. It wouldn't work in Bleach either. ...One Piece is a maybe.

[garnetjester]

My unpopular opinion is that you could add aliens to anything as long as you're a good enough writer to think of a scenario where they could work well with the story. If you're just adding them for people to go OOOOOO ALIENS and nothing else, then it's probably going to suck unless it's a comedy

[Flame Dragon]

Even if Kaguya wasn't an alien, the writing is still godawful. Replacing a villain that's been hyped for 400+ chapters, is integral to the story and lore of your manga, and is connected to everything that happened with another random villain that was hinted at only 20 chapters ago, has barebones backstory and no relationship with ANYONE OF THE MAIN CHARACTERS... fuck even a fanfiction would know that this is bad writing.

It's not like she was introduced in an interesting way...

Spoiler:

Zetsu just switches sides for no reason and injects something into Madara that makes him pop like a balloon... and then from Madara's corpse pops out Kaguya from nowhere

WTF?

Just like every other asspull in this war. We changed main villain like 5-6 times now.

The WAR Arc of Naruto has got to be one of be worst written manga arcs in history. And maybe the worst written piece of literature ever.

[Gyt Kaliba]

I dunno, while Kaguya has yet to really come into her own as a villain, I still have to give Kishimoto credit for actually surprising us here. This is the guy who had a 'big secret' about who Naruto's dad was that everyone pretty much knew from chapter one...and waited freakin' forever to actually reveal it to no surprise to anyone. There was also the big secret about Tobi's true identity that people pretty much called right away too. So for him to finally actually have pulled one on us, that I have to give my approval on.

That and I still call some of the stuff dealing with Itachi to be a far bigger asspull than anything else the manga has done.

[KentalSSJ6]

I enjoyed Naruto up to Pein/Pain. Now, its just another series I'm reading for the sole sake of finishing at this point. Granted the arc has had it's moments such as the death of Shikamaru's father and Neji but all these "twists" have made it drag on way too long. I stand by saying that the fight with Madara (and the final battle as a whole) should have ended with Gai's 8 Gates assault. Madara even flat out said Gai nearly killed him. Should have just had Naruto and Sasuke arrive there and finish the weakened Madara with Gai going out in a blaze of glory.

But sadly, we get some Naruto Ninja Jesus b*llshit with Gai now seemingly saved and Madara gets one shot (after getting EVEN STRONGER) by some chick with little to no buildup. Also really not a fan of the whole Naruto and Sasuke being descendants of the Ninja god or whatever he is. Comes off as another case of "oh i've always had this power" instead of "I had to bust my ass to get this strong."

Rant over.

[Gyt Kaliba]

Don't get me wrong, I have severe problems with this arc as a whole, and these new powerups for Naruto and Sasuke are a big part of that - I was just praising that one particular aspect. And only time will tell if I still feel it deserves that praise when we're through.

[KentalSSJ6]

Don't get me wrong, I have severe problems with this arc as a whole, and these new powerups for Naruto and Sasuke are a big part of that - I was just praising that one particular aspect. And only time will tell if I still feel it deserves that praise when we're through.

I actually take it back. Madara should have been dealt with long ago by Sasuke leaving Naruto to deal with Obito. Villains killed, world saved, Naruto and Hinata go have a family (ending the even larger shipping war), and ends the series on a relatively good note.

[Super Sonic]

The thing is Kishimoto wrote himself into a corner, and months ago said he hadn't figured out how Madara was to lose yet. Have to admit that the recent

Spoiler:

Reverse Harem Jutsu

was pretty funny. Now cosplayers have something new to do for shoots.

[rereboy]

The series started to lose quality after Sasuke left and the series started to focus on his path and his vendetta. And it only got worse and worse.

[Kid Buu]

Even if Kaguya wasn't an alien, the writing is still godawful. Replacing a villain that's been hyped for 400+ chapters, is integral to the story and lore of your manga, and is connected to everything that happened with another random villain that was hinted at only 20 chapters ago, has barebones backstory and no relationship with ANYONE OF THE MAIN CHARACTERS... fuck even a fanfiction would know that this is bad writing.

Sounds like the Cell and Buu Arcs.

[TheGmGoken]

I still got hope for Naruto.... . I'm the only one huh? Though it was a major decrease in quality during the Confining the Jinchuriki arc.

Even if Kaguya wasn't an alien, the writing is still godawful. Replacing a villain that's been hyped for 400+ chapters, is integral to the story and lore of your manga, and is connected to everything that happened with another random villain that was hinted at only 20 chapters ago, has barebones backstory and no relationship with ANYONE OF THE MAIN CHARACTERS... fuck even a fanfiction would know that this is bad writing.

Sounds like the Cell and Buu Arcs.

I liked the way Cell arc handled it. Seems natural.

[KentalSSJ6]

I still got hope for Naruto.... . I'm the only one huh? Though it was a major decrease in quality during the Confining the Jinchuriki arc.

Even if Kaguya wasn't an alien, the writing is still godawful. Replacing a villain that's been hyped for 400+ chapters, is integral to the story and lore of your manga, and is connected to everything that happened with another random villain that was hinted at only 20 chapters ago, has barebones backstory and no relationship with ANYONE OF THE MAIN CHARACTERS... fuck even a fanfiction would know that this is bad writing.

Sounds like the Cell and Buu Arcs.

I liked the way Cell arc handled it. Seems natural.

Ill correct myself. I like Naruto up to right before the war. I loved the chapters with Naruto meeting Kushina.