Why did Toriyama bother writing Dragon Ball Z?

[rereboy]

If Toriyama didn't like writing for the series so much, why did he keep writing all the way into the Z portion of the story?

Toriyama never wrote Dragon Ball Z.

He wrote the z portion of the story. The poster didn't make a mistake in how he mentioned it.

[Kojiro Sasaki]

He wrote the z portion of the story. The poster didn't make a mistake in how he mentioned it.

“Z” refers only to anime, not to the story itself.

thatdbzguy, what is your main goal?

[rereboy]

He wrote the z portion of the story. The poster didn't make a mistake in how he mentioned it.

“Z” refers only to anime, not to the story itself.

thatdbzguy, what is your main goal?

Are you even reading correctly? The Z portion of the story. Its not actually being said that its literally the anime DBZ or that the manga is called DBZ at some point, and its the simplest way to refer to everything that happens in the manga and anime after Radditz shows up.

[Kojiro Sasaki]

The Z portion of the story

Such a thing does not exist.

[rereboy]

The Z portion of the story

Such thing does not exist.

I can only answer with an implied facepalm.

[Kojiro Sasaki]

I can only answer with an implied facepalm.

Why didn't you answer like that?

[VegettoEX]

There are indeed other ways you can respond: politely and with context. I ask that you do so, or risk having strikes lodged against your account which can and will add up to and result in temporary/permanent bans.

[rereboy]

Sorry. I really couldn't see other way to respond. The story of the anime and manga are essentially the same. Only a few bits of filler differ and they are irrelevant in regards to the story. Not understanding this and how a person can easily refer to "the z portion of the story" when talking about Dragon Ball in general because the anime and manga basically share the story (which is written by Toriyama) and because any DB fan will immediately understand what part of the story we are referring to by that simple phrase, and instead just focus on the linear thought that Z must only refer the anime and as such the statement of "the z portion of the story" is wrong, is just so... I have no words.

[Kojiro Sasaki]

Person who had read the manga, but has no idea about anime's existence will never understand what “Z portion of the story” means. He should say: “5 years after the 23th Tenkaichi Budokai part of the story”.

(I guess that it should be obvious from the beginning that my only purpose was to be extremely nitpicky and mean )

[Valerius Dover]

Sorry. I really couldn't see other way to respond. The story of the anime and manga are essentially the same. Only a few bits of filler differ and they are irrelevant in regards to the story. Not understanding this and how a person can easily refer to "the z portion of the story" when talking about Dragon Ball in general because the anime and manga basically share the story (which is written by Toriyama) and because any DB fan will immediately understand what part of the story we are referring to by that simple phrase, and instead just focus on the linear thought that Z must only refer the anime and as such the statement of "the z portion of the story" is wrong, is just so... I have no words.

True, it's not like Sailor Moon where the anime sometimes only vaguely resembles the manga, from what I hear.

Also, the naming convention. Call it "The part after that Raditz guy nobody remembers whows up".

[SingleFringe&Sparks]

I don't understand why Vegeta's fanbase is so ridiculously protective of him that they want him to continue being the stubborn dickhead that allows his pride to cause situations to escalate to disastrous proportions.

Some may think like that, they may only see Vegeta as that way to their interpretation but thats not what I meant. Him becoming a comic reflief character for Goku's sake is on the farther side of that parallel. My favourite Vegeta incarnation is Kid-Buu Saga Vegeta, where he was nonnonsense but still had self-respect and cooperated enough based on his standards. Much different from the Cell Saga: Prick Vegeta. However him making a fool of himself isnt an understood side for any version of Vegeta to anyone but his haters. Its like Goku intentionally murdering someone, when it was already definitively established that he would never do that.

I mean, he even said it himself - he didn't want to dance. It was humiliating to him. He had to in order to protect his family and help keep the literal God who he has no hope of defeating from flying off the handle. If you feel embarrassed for Vegeta, then well...you're supposed to. It's not sports or real life, it's a story, and it doesn't exist to prop up every character to keep their fans happy.

But that as the resort is something Piccolo would do because he has always been more flexable for such things post android saga. Fans would know already where it came from if it were him. Vegeta has never ever been in any position to willingly make a joke of himself to anyone stronger than him even if he absolutely feared them. Especially as a Saiyan it was out of character for him. Thats what his fans go by.

[VegettoEX]

And that's precisely what makes it interesting and a good showcase of character development... because now he is in a position where we have to see what he would do in that situation.

This isn't about Piccolo. Yes, Piccolo has been in those kinds of situations before, but this isn't about him.

[ABED]

Person who had read the manga, but has no idea about anime's existence will never understand what “Z portion of the story” means. He should say: “5 years after the 23th Tenkaichi Budokai part of the story”.

(I guess that it should be obvious from the beginning that my only purpose was to be extremely nitpicky and mean )

I'm more than willing to bet that DB is primarily known as a TV show, and certainly everyone on this forum knows it's a TV show, so the point is moot. Writing DBZ is a quick way of saying it. Yes, you're technically correct that it's all DB, but seeing as how you understood the meaning, this seems like splitting hairs.

[TheGmGoken]

I understand why Vegeta did it. It makes sense. I just didn't like the scene. It wasn't really funny until Funimation made it funny and like most BoG gags was just.."meh". I'm not even s fan of Vegeta. Just didn't like the scene.

[Luke Groundwalker]

But that as the resort is something Piccolo would do because he has always been more flexable for such things post android saga. Fans would know already where it came from if it were him. Vegeta has never ever been in any position to willingly make a joke of himself to anyone stronger than him even if he absolutely feared them. Especially as a Saiyan it was out of character for him. Thats what his fans go by.

Why would PIccolo do that when Beerus' story is rooted in Vegeta's history? Piccolo doesn't really have a time period in the storyline to ever encounter Beerus or find him all that intimidating like Vegeta did.

It isn't out of character when he's trying to protect his family by appeasing the god. There was a whole story arc and everything in the original series, where after being consume by Babidi's spell he realized his family is what's most important of all, and doing so he sacrifices himself to destroy Boo. This suggests Vegeta develops into primarily a family man, which is showcased in Battle of Gods in spades especially when Beerus slaps Bulma enraging Vegeta.

[sintzu]

Person who had read the manga, but has no idea about anime's existence

An anime/manga fan that doesn't know about dbz is like a dc fan not knowing about batman in other words it doesn't happen

“Z portion of the story” “5 years after the 23th Tenkaichi Budokai part of the story”.

[Kojiro Sasaki]

I'm more than willing to bet that DB is primarily known as a TV show, and certainly everyone on this forum knows it's a TV show, so the point is moot. Writing DBZ is a quick way of saying it. Yes, you're technically correct that it's all DB, but seeing as how you understood the meaning, this seems like splitting hairs.

An anime/manga fan that doesn't know about dbz is like a dc fan not knowing about batman in other words it doesn't happen

“Z portion of the story” “5 years after the 23th Tenkaichi Budokai part of the story”.

OK, OK, I can live without making this kind of comments I was hoping that people will read my intentions.

Why did Toriyama bother writing Dragon Ball Z?

Why did you bother to ask this kind of question? What do you expect us to say? This decision could have been undertaken because of a broad spectrum of reasons: Money, popularity, will to continue the story, a friend asked him to do it, publishing house asked him to do it, fans threaten to kill him if he will not continue - we can speculate forever. Search through various interviews - I'm sure that Toriyama-sensei explained it himself.

(regarding all the topics you started) What is your main goal? Dragon Ball story has flaws. Various people shared their thoughts and views about them, they spend A LOT of time to make extremely detailed descriptions, they engaged into deep polemics with you and you still want more? What is the point in discussing the same thing over and over and over and over and over and over again? Do you expect us to commit a group suicide or something?

Pointing out flaws in the story is not a big deal. Fixing them with your own imagination is. Instead of expecting the author to please me, I'm trying to create a special “laws of physics” for each story and I'm trying as hard as I can to “fill” all holes with my own imagination before I'll criticise it. Dragon Ball is written in the way that allows me to make up theories that explain almost everything. You only need a little bit of good will and a little bit of imagination.

80% of things you called flaws are flaws to you because of your laziness in thinking, not because of bad writing.

[SingleFringe&Sparks]

Why would PIccolo do that when Beerus' story is rooted in Vegeta's history? Piccolo doesn't really have a time period in the storyline to ever encounter Beerus or find him all that intimidating like Vegeta did.

I only said it was something more likely forhow Piccolo would handle the situation on his latent character in a comparitive example. Vegeta isnt a character that fits slap stick or self-humiliating styles humour. I'm not saying it didn't make sense, I'm just reasoning why it wasn't well recieved by Vegeta fans. It at least made sense though.