Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

[Marco Polo]

Unless it will be settled with rock paper scissors game, it's bye bye for Cui

Cui didn't sense the battle with his Scouter?

Anyway, LOL Vegeta is gonna destroy him

[rereboy]

By saying its the "less-shitty" one you are saying that none of them are great or even good. But how can you say that if you are ignoring all works besides them in your review? In order to do that you are necessarily implying that better stuff exists, but since there's no better stuff inside its category you are obviously resorting to your knowledge of works outside its category, even if you aren't consciously doing so.

Its like evaluating the best comedy ever and giving it just an average score. Why? If its the best ever in its own category it certainly deserves a rating close to the top/best, unless you are considering stuff from other categories, like dramas, which make you, consciously or not, lower the score.

In short, sure, its deserves the rating of "less shitty" one when we are considering all works, but it deserves nothing less than "great" in its own category. And is it fair or logical to even review it considering stuff outside of its category? Not really.

I don't understand what you are saying, and I don't think you even understood what I'm saying. I'm not saying that DBM is shitty, I'm saying what other people may think. For some, maybe all the DB fan-mangas (like AF) that they have read are shit, but DBM is just less shitty in their eyes. That's what I'm saying. I'm talking about its own category, not other categories. Not even once did I bring up professional works, so I don't understand what you are talking about.

There's literally nothing I can do to explain it better. The comedy example I provided is more than clear. And I understood you perfectly, my response is to whoever classifies it as "less shitty one", not necessary you. If you don't, it obviously isn't for you.

Was that stated?

That #17 and #18 have infinite energy reactors? Yes.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

That #17 and #18 have infinite energy reactors? Yes.

Not that. Was it stated that they are so strong because of the infinite energy reactors?

[rereboy]

That #17 and #18 have infinite energy reactors? Yes.

Not that. Was it stated that they are so strong because of the infinite energy reactors?

Its implicit. As androids (or cyborgs) they are powered by artificial energy and they possess infinite energy reactors that provide them with that artificial energy.

[RandomGuy96]

The androids don't really make sense (especially since even the androids without infinite energy reactors were still WAAAAAAAAY stronger than, say, Ginyu). But even then, there's no blatant "why couldn't anyone sense them before?" plot hole, as they were newly created. Freeza doesn't make sense either, and he completely contradicts what came before... but still, that doesn't give fanmangas the right to be just as sloppy. It was crappy when Toriyama did it, and it's even crappier when they do it.

[TonyTheTiger]

As unlikely as it is, please, please let them share the pod. The misadventures of Vegeta and Cui sounds awesome.

[RandomGuy96]

As unlikely as it is, please, please let them share the pod. The misadventures of Vegeta and Cui sounds awesome.

Seconded. These pods can hold Burter. They might be able to share.

[Gyt Kaliba]

I actually kind of wish this page had one more panel at the bottom, that was almost the same as the actual last panel, only with Vegeta's hand held out as he blows Cui away with a blast.

Since that is not the case however, I too kind of hope for their continued adventures in space. Like a buddy comedy.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

That #17 and #18 have infinite energy reactors? Yes.

Not that. Was it stated that they are so strong because of the infinite energy reactors?

Its implicit. As androids (or cyborgs) they are powered by artificial energy and they possess infinite energy reactors that provide them with that artificial energy.

It doesn't explain why they have to be so strong.

[rereboy]

It doesn't explain why they have to be so strong.

Because that's the capacity of the infinite energy reactors that they have...? That's like asking why a certain car has to be that fast. Because that's his engine's capacity.

As for why those reactors are so much better than other reactors... They are INFINITE energy reactors. That designation alone explains it.

[Sshadow5001]

That's a thought, I wonder if Bulma ever decided to use these Infinite Energy Reactors to help power the world's electricity? I mean she got the design plans for 17 kicking around.

I guess there is never anything to suggest there is any type of Energy crisis in the world of Dragonball but you can imagine such technology would be infinitely useful to any world.

[Doctor.]

It doesn't explain why they have to be so strong.

I had a theory that explained it, but then Toriyama came with an interview that said that the androids could get stronger and it was shattered.

[Gyt Kaliba]

That's a thought, I wonder if Bulma ever decided to use these Infinite Energy Reactors to help power the world's electricity? I mean she got the design plans for 17 kicking around.

I guess there is never anything to suggest there is any type of Energy crisis in the world of Dragonball but you can imagine such technology would be infinitely useful to any world.

Have to admit, I never thought about that, huh. Although...hmm. As you say, there's never been any suggestion that they would need such things (how any universe couldn't find that useful though...), so...maybe they already have them, and Gero's real accomplishment wasn't the creation of the reactors, but their implementation into a human body and making that energy operate in a manner similar to ki?

[rereboy]

Who says capsule corporation didn't use them afterwards? Its not like we have any information on the evolution of the company or just exactly what it sells besides capsules. For all we know after the android arc, capsule corporation started to sell those type of reactors.

Of course, that alone doesn't mean that many things changed regarding energy in their planet. For all we know, they probably already had very efficient ways of producing energy that, even though not as good as infinite energy reactors, already solved their energy needs fully, just not as efficiently.

It doesn't explain why they have to be so strong.

I had a theory that explained it, but then Toriyama came with an interview that said that the androids could get stronger and it was shattered.

He specifically said that it was because they are human-based, meaning that's possible due to their human side.

[RandomGuy96]

It doesn't explain why they have to be so strong.

I had a theory that explained it, but then Toriyama came with an interview that said that the androids could get stronger and it was shattered.

Death of the Author.

Have to admit, I never thought about that, huh. Although...hmm. As you say, there's never been any suggestion that they would need such things (how any universe couldn't find that useful though...), so...maybe they already have them, and Gero's real accomplishment wasn't the creation of the reactors, but their implementation into a human body and making that energy operate in a manner similar to ki?

For some reason, I doubt that. Infinite clean power would pretty much solve all of the world's economic problems.

[rereboy]

For some reason, I doubt that. Infinite clean power would pretty much solve all of the world's economic problems.

No, it wouldn't. Economy is basically the management of finite resources. You could have infinite energy but there would still be finite quantities of everything else, starting with the basics of all, water and food.

All problems would only be over if they had infinite energy and something like Star Trek's replicators, that could convert energy into matter and vice-versa freely, creating food, drinks and all kinds of inorganic stuff.

[Doctor.]

He specifically said that it was because they are human-based, meaning that's possible due to their human side.

Yes, yes, I know. My theory was that because the androids had infinite energy, they should be infinitely powerful. However, since that's obviously not the case, there has to be some limit to the human body even Ki cannot overcome. So, if Kuririn, Tenshinhan and the other humans one day do reached the level of 17 and 18, they would stop getting stronger.

As you can see, Toriyama's statement completely shatters it.

[RandomGuy96]

For some reason, I doubt that. Infinite clean power would pretty much solve all of the world's economic problems.

No, it wouldn't. Economy is basically the management of finite resources. You could have infinite energy but there would still be finite quantities of everything else, starting with the basics of all, water and food.

The acquisition of which would become comically easy with infinite power. The world has a food surplus; there's way more than enough food for everyone to go around. This is not the problem. While infinite power wouldn't instantly usher in a utopia, it would greatly improve the standard of living just about everywhere.

As you can see, Toriyama's statement completely shatters it.

Yeah, and there are three Kaioshin.

[rereboy]

He specifically said that it was because they are human-based, meaning that's possible due to their human side.

Yes, yes, I know. My theory was that because the androids had infinite energy, they should be infinitely powerful. However, since that's obviously not the case, there has to be some limit to the human body even Ki cannot overcome. So, if Kuririn, Tenshinhan and the other humans one day do reached the level of 17 and 18, they would stop getting stronger.

As you can see, Toriyama's statement completely shatters it.

The way I see it, they are infinite because they never run out of power. It never runs dry. However, their power output has a fixed limit. Goku and the others are able to defeat the androids because, even though they can get tired and lose their power, their power output eventually becomes much greater.

In other words, its like the androids are a car with infinite fuel but a top speed of 300 miles per hour, and Goku is a car with a finite amount of fuel but with a top speed of 1000 miles per hour. Goku will end up winning the race.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

It doesn't explain why they have to be so strong.

Because that's the capacity of the infinite energy reactors that they have...? That's like asking why a certain car has to be that fast. Because that's his engine's capacity.

As for why those reactors are so much better than other reactors... They are INFINITE energy reactors. That designation alone explains it.

My question is: are these things stated, or they are assumptions? Is it stated that Dr. Gero couldn't make them weaker than that?