Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread

[DBZGTKOSDH]

What's the timeline here? When did Goku learn about that, again?

Popo told him during the time-skip.

Sending Goku to kill Piccolo would essentially be suicide, no different than sending Popo.

Neither he nor Popo can go and deal with the problems personally, because they are gods.

Piccolo isn't a mortal world problem. He's a demon created by Kami himself.

According to Toriyama through the manga, Piccolo is a mortal problem, even if Kami created him. I guess according to the godly laws of the Dragon World, even if a problem is created by a god, they are still not allowed to interfere.

No, it doesn't. It is a section in the book talking specifically about battle powers. It says that someone with a battle power of 100 has a certain amount of destructive power. Unlike with a few other characters, it doesn't mention ANYTHING about him other than his battle power of 100. Not his size, not his strength, not his biology, just his battle power. In a sentence right after one talking about his battle power, and how this form has a much higher battle power than his base form, it says "his has the destructive power of a battleship's main gun".

It is blindingly obvious that it is referring to BATTLE POWER. Again: if it was talking about anything other than battle power, it would have been mentioned, just like the blurb RIGHT BEFORE this one mentioned that Goku's physical attributes helped him survive bullets.

The book says that the giant monkey with BP of 100 has the destructive power of a battleship's main gun, not that everyone with BP of 100 have the destructive power of a battleship's main gun. It talks specifically about that.

My question to you is "why would they be even remotely similar?". Namekians are not humans. They are from another planet. They are from another galaxy. They have extremely long natural life spans. They survive entirely on water. They are naturally far more powerful.

I don't believe that they would be different in that. If Daimao was a warrior-type, I would agree. But he is a Dragon Clansman, he isn't made to fight.

...for the same reason every single ki attack thrown by anyone past Vegeta doesn't destroy the planet they're on.

Which proves that punches & normal ki blasts can't destroy a planet, even if the BP is high enough. For a planet to be destroyed, it seems that the attacks must reach the core of the planet, which by destroying its core, the planet would either be destroyed after a short amount of time, or instantly. The forms of ki blasts that seem to work effectively are big-ball types (like Freeza's or Majin Boo's techniques) or powerful means (like Kamehameha or Gyarik-Ho).

Nothing suggests that, except gag scenes. If this were the case, then simply being caught off guard from any attack would be instant death.

If Toriyama believed that Kuririn & Kame-sennin were tough enough to repel bullets while not fighting, don't you think that he would have shown it through the gag scenes like he does with Goku?

You can't know that.

Like I said, I don't believe he will survive. It's my opinion, and you are free to disagree, because like you said, we can't know what would have happened, but we can only make our own assumptions.

many times stronger doesn't actually mean many times stronger

We have one example that we know that it doesn't mean literally "many times stronger". Maybe he is talking literally, maybe he doesn't. I don't think that Toriyama had BP numbers in his mind when he wrote that statement, and the expression can be used in a metaphorical way.

a grenade nearly killing Tao doesn't mean anything since he suppressed himself mid battle for some reason

Not saying that he was suppressed, just not ready to take the explosion, since he was caught off-guard.

just to fit your pre-established notions and your numbers

It has nothing to do with the numbers BTW. If I agreed with you, I wouldn't find a problem to change them.

as well as your preference that Roshi not be much weaker at the 21st than he was at the 22nd because... realism?

Well, it doesn't sound realistic to me for his power to fall as much as you claim.

Anyway, I will still think about it a little. I will think about it, and maybe I'll change the numbers (depending to what conclusions I'll reach), but after I'm done with the rest of the manga. For now, I'm done with the first part. I'm gonna work on the Freeza arc later.

[RandomGuy96]

Which proves that punches & normal ki blasts can't destroy a planet, even if the BP is high enough. For a planet to be destroyed, it seems that the attacks must reach the core of the planet, which by destroying its core, the planet would either be destroyed after a short amount of time, or instantly. The forms of ki blasts that seem to work effectively are big-ball types (like Freeza's or Majin Boo's techniques) or powerful means (like Kamehameha or Gyarik-Ho).

Incorrect. As stated in the guidebooks (specifically, the Daizenshuu entry on kiri), you only need a certain amount of power to destroy a planet. Shape does not matter. Remember when Pure Buu was going to blow the Earth to smithereens with a tiny ki blast no different than the dozens of blasts everyone throws around routinely? Daizenshuu 4 (specifically, in the technique list) also stated that fighters compress their ki into a small area to do more damage. Theoretically, if you have enough power, you could indeed destroy the Earth by punching it, or throwing a small ki blast. No one needs to take out of the core of the planet to destroy it, Freeza only chose to do it that way to give him time to expect. When Pure Buu blows up Earth, he doesn't just penetrate the core, he blows the planet up completely, with the resulting explosion being calc'd at red dwarf busting level.

Popo told him during the time-skip.

When?

Neither he nor Popo can go and deal with the problems personally, because they are gods.

Didn't stop him from doing it at the tournament. I don't see the difference between sending Goku to kill Daimao, and just suppressing his power down to nothing and ordering Goku to kill him.

There's a lot of ways he could have ended the threat posed by Piccolo. Piccolo doesn't need to be as strong as Daimao right off the bat for the story to work.

According to Toriyama through the manga, Piccolo is a mortal problem, even if Kami created him. I guess according to the godly laws of the Dragon World, even if a problem is created by a god, they are still not allowed to interfere.

That doesn't make any sense.

The book says that the giant monkey with BP of 100 has the destructive power of a battleship's main gun, not that everyone with BP of 100 have the destructive power of a battleship's main gun. It talks specifically about that.

No, it doesn't. Show me where it even implied that being a giant monkey had anything to do with it, like the blurb right above when they mentioned that being a saiyan gave Goku his durability.

I don't believe that they would be different in that. If Daimao was a warrior-type, I would agree. But he is a Dragon Clansman, he isn't made to fight.

He's also a demon, with unique demon attributes. In addition to that, he's hundreds of years old. He's a Namekian. Tell me why a Namekian and a human should be even remotely similar in how they lose ki?

If Toriyama believed that Kuririn & Kame-sennin were tough enough to repel bullets while not fighting, don't you think that he would have shown it through the gag scenes like he does with Goku?

No, because that's what a gag is. He already showed us Krillin surviving much worse things than bullets when taken off guard.

We have one example that we know that it doesn't mean literally "many times stronger". Maybe he is talking literally, maybe he doesn't. I don't think that Toriyama had BP numbers in his mind when he wrote that statement, and the expression can be used in a metaphorical way.

We have one example against several others that we do. Again, several times stronger means several times stronger (except when spoken by a demonic psychopath lacking in the relevant knowledge).

Not saying that he was suppressed, just not ready to take the explosion, since he was caught off-guard.

He was not caught off guard. He was looking right at Goku and had just been fighting. You can't get caught off guard that way.

pistol bullets < Goku < shotgun blast < Bora < Tao =< concussion grenade < Goku [post] <<<<<<<< 406mm naval artillery

It has nothing to do with the numbers BTW. If I agreed with you, I wouldn't find a problem to change them.

If you weren't making your own power level list, would you seriously think twice about such simple and straight-forward things like the Daizenshuu entry, or Tao getting injured by a grenade knocked at him? Or Goku having to kick away/deflect/dodge missiles?

Well, it doesn't sound realistic to me for his power to fall as much as you claim.

Realism doesn't have anything to do with it. He's a 300 year old martial arts master who can shoot energy beams from his hands. The series outright shows (with the weapon feats) and states (through Karin) that he's many times weaker than he is at the 22nd.

Anyway, I will still think about it a little. I will think about it, and maybe I'll change the numbers (depending to what conclusions I'll reach), but after I'm done with the rest of the manga. For now, I'm done with the first part. I'm gonna work on the Freeza arc later.

Fair enough.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

Incorrect. As stated in the guidebooks (specifically, the Daizenshuu entry on kiri), you only need a certain amount of power to destroy a planet. Shape does not matter. Remember when Pure Buu was going to blow the Earth to smithereens with a tiny ki blast no different than the dozens of blasts everyone throws around routinely? Daizenshuu 4 (specifically, in the technique list) also stated that fighters compress their ki into a small area to do more damage. Theoretically, if you have enough power, you could indeed destroy the Earth by punching it, or throwing a small ki blast. No one needs to take out of the core of the planet to destroy it, Freeza only chose to do it that way to give him time to expect. When Pure Buu blows up Earth, he doesn't just penetrate the core, he blows the planet up completely, with the resulting explosion being calc'd at red dwarf busting level.

Of course battle power is important, what I mean is that it's not the only important factor. You need both power & the skill to create a suitable ki blast for this to destroy a planet.

As for Pure Boo's ki blast, everything happened so fast that we can't tell exactly what happened. But I presume that his ki blast reached the core of the planet.

When?

Chapter 180:

Spoiler:

That doesn't make any sense.

Doesn't matter. These are the godly laws, apparently.

No, it doesn't. Show me where it even implied that being a giant monkey had anything to do with it, like the blurb right above when they mentioned that being a saiyan gave Goku his durability.

Right there:

Spoiler:

He's also a demon, with unique demon attributes. In addition to that, he's hundreds of years old. He's a Namekian. Tell me why a Namekian and a human should be even remotely similar in how they lose ki?

We don't know, and we can't know if they are different or similar. Personally, I would say that they are similar, because Kame-sennin is an Earthling, and Piccolo Daimao is a non-fighting type Namekian. You disagree. We can't prove each other wrong, because neither of us have any evidence about that.

No, because that's what a gag is. He already showed us Krillin surviving much worse things than bullets when taken off guard.

Then why is Goku the only one that isn't bleeding in the gag scenes?
Also, taken off guard during a fight is very different from taken off guard when not fighting or even sleeping.

We have one example against several others that we do. Again, several times stronger means several times stronger (except when spoken by a demonic psychopath lacking in the relevant knowledge).

How does he lack knowledge? He has all of Daimao's memories. He should know Daimao's power, even if he wasn't born with it.

He was not caught off guard. He was looking right at Goku and had just been fighting. You can't get caught off guard that way.

He expected the bomb to explode on Goku's face, and he suddenly saw the bomb exploding in his face. It was off guard.

You should also take into account that the weapons aren't pure force like punches are. A bomb & explode & release a lot of heat, and bullets have piercing power, and a battleship's main gun has both of them on a greater level. Oozaru Goku's mass plays a big role in withstanding the power of a battleship's main gun. If Oozaru Goku had the same BP as Taopaipai, do you think that the grenade would cause any serious damage to the monkey? Do you think that the monkey would hurt as much as Goku did from taking pistol bullets, sniper bullets, or bazooka shots?

If you weren't making your own power level list, would you seriously think twice about such simple and straight-forward things like the Daizenshuu entry, or Tao getting injured by a grenade knocked at him? Or Goku having to kick away/deflect/dodge missiles?

I already did. I hadn't put much thought to it, but I already had the general idea that Oozaru >>> Saiyan > Earthlings in terms of durability.

[dbgtFO]

A Battle Power list covering pretty much everything with a new take on Super Saiyan power-ups and what not.

* indicates official Battle Powers.

Before Dragon Ball
Dragon Ball Minus

Spoiler:

Kakarot: 3.
Jaco: 20.
Son Gohan: 105.

Gine: 500.
Bardock: 2,000.

Freeza: 500,000.

Tv Special: A Final, Solitary Battle: The Father of Z-Warrior Son Goku, who Challenged Freeza

Spoiler:

Kakarot: 2.*
Saibaiman: 1,200.

Toma: 1,500.
-Ozaru: 15,000.
Selypa: 1,700.
-Ozaru: 17,000.
Pumbukin: 1,900.
-Ozaru: 19,000.
Totapo: 2,100.
-21,000.

Nappa: 4,500.
Vegeta: 2,500.
King Vegeta(unseen): 12,000.

Bardock: 10,000.*

Dodoria: 22,500.
Zarbon: 23,000.
Freeza: 500,000.

Episode of Bardock

Spoiler:

Chilled: 50,000.

Bardock: 3,000.
-Super Saiyan 150,000.

Dragon Ball
The first Dragon Ball Adventure

Spoiler:

Son Goku: 10.*
-Ozaru: 100.*
-Without tail: 8.

Bulma: 3.

Yamcha: 8.
Krillin: 7.

Ox King: 40.

The 21st Strongest under the Heavens Tournament.

Spoiler:

Son Goku: 40.
-With tail: 50.
--Kamehameha: 60.
--Ozaru: 500.

Lanfan: 7.
Bacterian: 8.
Yamcha: 12.

Krillin: 28.
Giran: 30.
Namu: 40.

Jackie Chun (Kame-sennin): 50.
-Kamehameha: 60.
-Full Power: 100.
--Kamehameha: 120.

The Battle with the Red Ribbon Army.

Spoiler:

Son Goku: 50.
-After his battles in the muscle Tower: 60.
-After training under Karin: 110.

Colonel Silver: 10.
General White: 5.
-Power Gun: 100.
Sergent Metallic: 35.
Ninja Murasaki: 15.
Buyon: 25.

Android #8: 150.

General Blue: 55.
Assistant Black(robot suit): 60.
General Blue was owning an overconfident Krillin(who did manage to land a hit by tricking him with an afterimage), but was taken out by an improved Goku. Assistant Black said he'd be more of a match than the others before him.

Krillin: 30.
Karin: 150.

Tao Pai Pai: 100.
-Dodonpa: 110.
Tao Pai Pai was much stronger than General Blue and Goku, but after Goku trained with Karin, the tables were turned.

Dracula Man: 5.
Invisible Man: 10.
Mummy Man: 60.
Devil Man: 66.6.
Uranai Baba's fighters got progressively stronger and Mummy Man could feasibly have beaten the 21st Tournament version of Goku.

Grandpa Son Gohan: 105.
-Kamehameha: 126.

The 22nd Strongest under the Heavens Tournament.

Spoiler:

Son Goku: 180.*

Man-Wolf: 20.
Pan-Poot: 30.
King Chapa: 110.
Chaozu: 100.
-Dodonpa: 110.

Yamcha: 108.
-Kamehameha: 129.6.
Krillin: 110.
-Kamehameha: 100.
Yamcha and Krillin were said to be close in power. Krillin hadn't trained his Kamehameha, so it wasn't very powerful.

Tsuru-sennin: 120.*
Jackie Chun (Kame-sennin): 139.*
Tenshinhan fought both Yamcha and Kame-sennin, but only revered the latter for having surpassed Tsuru-sennin. Thus neither Yamcha nor Krillin were stronger than Tsuru-sennin.

Tenshinhan: 140.
-Full power: 180.*
--Dodonpa: 198.
--Kamehameha: 216.
--Kikoho(~70%): 250.
Kikoho was stronger than the Kamehameha as stated by Kame-sennin. I randomly decided Kamehameha was better than Dodonpa.

The Demon King Piccolo Arc.

Spoiler:

Yajirobe: 150.

Piano: 7.
Cymbal: 70.
Tambourine: 140.
Drum: 210.

Demon King Piccolo(old): 220.
-Young: 240.
--Full Power: 260.*
---Destructive wave: 390.

Son Goku: 180.
-Kamehameha: 216.
-Super God Water Power-up: 260.*
--Ozaru Paw: 416.

Mister Popo: 300.
Kami: 340.

The 23rd Strongest under the Heavens Tournament.

Spoiler:

Son Goku: 328.
-Without Weights: 410.
--Super Kamehameha: 910.*
Weekly Jump’s listing of Goku at the 23rd TB having a battle power of 910 most likely referred to his Kamehameha like against Raditz.

King Chapa: 120.
Chaozu: 120.
Chi Chi: 130. *

Yamcha: 170.
-Sokidan: 272.
Krillin: 200.
-Kamehameha: 240.
Yamcha's Sokidan knocked Kami off his feet and damaged him, so it was a quite strong attack.

Cyborg Tao Pai Pai: 210.*
-Super Dodonpa: 315.

Tenshinhan: 240.
-Kiai extinguisher: 360.

Kami: 340.

Piccolo: 360.
-Full Power: 400.
--Shockwave: 890.

Dragon Ball Z
Movie 1: Return my Gohan!

Spoiler:

Krillin: 205.
Kami: 221.

Ginger: 200.
-Transformed: 300.
Sansho: 200.
-Transformed: 300.
Nikki: 200.
-Transformed: 300.

Piccolo: 321.
-Without heavy clothing: 407.
Son Goku: 333.
-Without heavy clothing: 415.

Garlic Jr.: 250.
-Transformed: 500.

Son Gohan: 1.
-Angry: 1306.

The Battle with Raditz

Spoiler:

Farmer: 5.*

Son Goku: 334.*
-Without heavy clothing: 416.*
--Kamehameha: 924.*
--Broken ribs: 100.
Piccolo: 322.*
-Without heavy clothing: 408.*
--Demonic Light Screw: 1,330.*
-After fighting Raditz: 329.*

Son Gohan: 1~710.*
-Full Power: 1,307.*
--Ozaru: 13,070.

Raditz: 1,500.*
-Broken armor: 50.

Kame-sennin: 139.*
Yamcha: 177.*
Kuririn: 206.*
Tenshinhan: 250.*

The Battle with Nappa and Vegeta

Spoiler:

Kami: 220.*
Lord Kaio: 3,500.*

Chaozu: 610.*
-Self Destruct: 1220.
Yajirobe: 970.*

Yamcha: 1,480.*
Krillin: 1,083*
-Full Power: 1,770.*
-Genkidama: 10,000.
Tenshinhan: 1,830.*

Piccolo: 1,220.*
-Full Power: 3,500.*
-Scared of Nappa: 2000.

Son Gohan: 981*.
-Full Power: 1,400.
--Masenko: 2,800.*
--Ozaru: 14,000.

Saibaiman: 1,200.*

Nappa: 4,000.*
-Calmed down: Enough to impress Goku.
--Greatest Technique: Enough to endanger Goku.

Son Goku: 5,000.*
-Full Power: 8,000.*
--Kaio-ken x2: 16,000.*
--Kaio-ken x3: 24,000.*
--Kaio-ken x4: 32,000.*

Vegeta: 18,000.*
-Galick Gun: Equal to Goku’s Kaio-ken x3 Kamehameha.
-Ozaru: 180,000.
-After returning to human form: 2,000.
-After living through the Genkidama: 1,000.

Movie 2: The World's Strongest Guy

Spoiler:

Dr. Kochin: 8.
Biomen: 100.

Kame-sennin: 139.
Krillin: 1790.
Son Gohan: 50.
-Full Power: 2100.

Piccolo: 6000.

Misokattsun: 4,300.
Kishime; 7,000.
Ebifuriya: 7,500.
All of these come from that Movie 3 pamphlet and I think they are acceptable.

Dr. Uiro: 39,000.

Son Goku: 9,000.
-Kaio-ken x2: 18,000.
-Kaio-ken x3: 27,000.
-Kaio-ken x4: 36,000.
-Genkidama: 100,000.

Movie 3: A Super Decisive Battle for Earth

Spoiler:

Chaozu: 1000.
Yamcha: 1500.
Krillin: 2000.
Tenshinhan: 2500.
An alternate universe, where Krillin doesn't cheaply surpass Tenshinhan's power.

Son Gohan: 10,000.*
-Ozaru: 100,000.
Piccolo: 18,000.*

Rakasei: 7,600.
Rezun: 8,000.
Kakao: 8,400.
Amond: 9,100.
Daiz: 13,000.
These also come from the Movie 3 pamphlet.

Tullece: 25,000.
-Tree of Godly Might Power-up: 500,000.

Son Goku: 35,000.
-Kaio-ken x10: 350,000.
-Genkidama: 1,000,000.

Arrival on Planet Namek.

Spoiler:

Kuririn(weighted): 5.
-Full Power: 1,500.*
--No weights: 1,800.
Son Gohan: 5.
-Serious: 1,500.*
-Full Power: 2,500.

Freeza Scouts: 500.
Freeza Troops: 1500.
Appule: 2,500.

Fighter Namekians: 3,000.*

Vegeta: 12,000.
-Full Power: 24,000.*
--Recovery boost: 30,000.*

Kyui: 18,000.*
Dodoria: 22,000.*
Zarbon: 23,000.*
-Transformed: 32,000.
In their second battle Vegeta decided to employ a strategy based on catching Zarbon off-guard rather than just overpower him and also seemed a bit nervous before executing his plan, so I always saw Zarbon as at least as strong as Vegeta, if not stronger. I like my power levels to have some weird patterns, so transformed Zarbon's power level is 23 reversed and then a thousand slapped on at the back.

The Terrible Ginyu Force.

Spoiler:

Kuririn(Hidden Power unlocked): 13,000.*
Son Gohan(Hidden Power unlocked): 14,000.*

Vegeta: 30,000.*

Guldo: 5,000.
Recoome: 40,000.
Butta: 40,000.
Jheese: 40,000.

Captain Ginyu: 75,000.
-Full Power: 120,000.*
-In Goku’s body: 15,000.
--Full Power: 23,000.*

Son Goku: 5,000.*
-Full Power: 90,000.*
--Kaio-ken x2: 180,000.*

Nail: 42,000.*

Movie 4: Super Saiyan Son Goku

Spoiler:

Yajirobe: 960.
Krillin: 14,000.
Son Gohan: 15,000.

Medamatcha: 20,000.
Angira: 25,000.
Dorodabo: 30,000.
Daizenshuu 6 states that Dorodabo is the strongest one of Slug's henchmen. Piccolo beats him easily, yet is himself beaten by the teamwork of the two others.

Piccolo: 40,000.

Lord Slug(old): 50,000.
-Young: 500,000.
-Giant: 5,000,000.

Son Goku: 100,000.
-Super Saiyan: 1,000,000.
-Kaio-ken x100: 10,000,000.
-Genkidama: 10,000,000.

The Legendary Super Saiyan.

Spoiler:

Krillin: 15,000.

Piccolo(Merged with Nail): 1,300,000.
-Without heavy clothing: 1,500,000.

Son Gohan: 200,000.*
-Full Power: 700,000.
--Recovery boost: 900,000.
---Blast: 1,800,000.

Vegeta: 250,000.*
-Full Power: Enough to hold off Freeza and destroy his scouter.
--Recovery boost: 2,500,000.

Freeza: 530,000.*
-Second Form: 1,060,000.
--Powered up: 1,200,000.
--Full Power: 1,400,000.
-Third Form: 2,000,000.
-Final Form: 3,400,000.
--50%: 60,000,000.*
--100%: 120,000,000.*

Son Goku: 3,000,000.*
-Kaio-ken x10: 30,000,000.*
-Kaio-ken x20: 60,000,000.*
-Genkidama: 100,000,000.
-Super Saiyan: 150,000,000.*

Multipliers

Spoiler:

Super Saiyan Power-ups:

Super Saiyan: Standard boost is 50 times normal.
Super Saiyan Second Grade: Standard boost is 2 times Super Saiyan.
Super Saiyan Third Grade: Standard boost is 3 times Super Saiyan Second Grade.
Super Saiyan 2: Standard boost is 2 times Super Saiyan.
Super Saiyan 3: Standard boost is 4 times Super Saiyan 2.

Super Saiyan forms shouldn't have strict multipliers like Kaio-ken, but the next form will always surpass the former. However with enough training in one particular form the relative difference between forms can be vastly changed. Thus Goku with enough training in his normal form could eventually decrease the gap to his Super Saiyan form.
Super Saiyan God: BP*100,000,000.

Merging Power-ups:

Fusion: when a < b:
ab = a*100.

Merging with the Potara:
When there is a huge gap in power between the users, the outcome will not get a huge boost on top of the strongest one. Examples are Elder Kaioshin merged with the old witch and Kaioshin merged with Kibito.
When the gap in power between users is small however:
ab = a*1,000

The Return of Garlic Jr.

Spoiler:

Yamcha: 2,500.
Krillin: 17,500.

Piccolo: 1,700,000.
Son Gohan: 950,000.
-Full Power Masenko: 2,500,000.

Salt: 400,000.
Tard: 450,000.
Vinegar: 600,000.
-Transformed: 1,200,000.
Gashew: 750,000.
-Transformed: 1,500,000.

Garlic Jr.: 1,000,000.
-Transformed: 2,000,000.

Trunks the Story –A Lone Warrior–

Spoiler:

Trunks: 50,000.
-Super Saiyan: 2,500,000.

Son Gohan: 2,000,000.
-Super Saiyan: 100,000,000.
-In his last fight: 3,000,000.
--Super Saiyan: 150,000,000.

#17: 250,000,000.
-In his first fight with Gohan: 120,000,000.
#18: 220,000,000.

3 years later...

Super Saiyan Trunks: 160,000,000.

The Boy from the Future

Spoiler:

King Cold Troops: 1,000-2,000.
Chaozu: 1,500.
Yamcha: 3,000.
Tenshinhan: 5,000.
Krillin: 20,000.
Son Gohan: 1,000,000.
Vegeta: 2,800,000.
Piccolo: 3,000,000.

Mecha Freeza(70%): 105,000,000.
-100%(unseen): 150,000,000.
King Cold: 90,000,000.

Trunks: 5.*
-Full Power: 3,200,000.
--Super Saiyan: 160,000,000.

Son Goku: 4,000,000.
-Super Saiyan: 200,000,000.

Movie 5: The Incredible Strongest vs Strongest

Spoiler:

Krillin: 20,000.
Son Gohan: 50.*
-Tired: 100,000.

Neiz: 163,000.*
Salza: 170,000.*
Dore: 185,000.*
Dore was officially the strongest member of Coola's Armored Squadron, though he was defeated easily by Piccolo, who then couldn't do the same to Salza.

Piccolo: 4,000,000.

Coola: 10,000,000.
-100%(unseen): 100,000,000.
-Final Form: 160,000,000.

Son Goku: 4,200,000.
-Fighting Coola: 12,600,000.
-Kaio-ken x10: 42,000,000.
-Kaio-ken x20: 84,000,000.
-Super Saiyan: 210,000,000.
Coola said regular Goku had enough power to defeat Freeza. He obviously mistranslanted Freeza's Battle Power number.

The Android Arc.

Spoiler:

Yamcha: 10,000.
Tenshinhan: 16,000.
Krillin: 30,000.

Son Gohan: 3,500,000.

Android #20/Dr. Gero: 20,000,000.
Android #19: 10,000,000.
--Goku absorbed: 150,000,000.

Piccolo: 40,800,000.

Super Saiyan Trunks: 200,000,000.
Super Saiyan Son Goku: 240,000,000.
-Sick: so weak he couldn't beat #19.
Super Saiyan Vegeta: 250,000,000.

Android #18: 300,000,000.
Android #17: 400,000,000.
Vegeta couldn't do any noticeable damage to #18, thus #18 was simply stronger than him.

Movie 6: Clash!! 10,000,000,000 Powerful Warriors

Spoiler:

Krillin: 30,000.

Son Gohan: 3,500,000.
Piccolo: 40,800,000.

Son Goku: 4,800,000.
-Kaio-ken x10: 48,000,000.
-Super Saiyan: 240,000,000.
Vegeta: 5,000,000.
-Super Saiyan: 250,000,000.

Metal Coola: 200,000,000.
-Powered up: 300,000,000.

Movie 7: Extreme Battle!! The Three Great Super Saiyans

Spoiler:

Krillin: 30,000.
Son Gohan: 3,500,000.

Android #14: 150,000,000.
Android #15: 150,000,000.

Trunks: 4,000,000.
-Super Saiyan: 200,000,000.
Vegeta: 5,000,000.
-Super Saiyan: 250,000,000.

Piccolo(merged with Kami): 322,000,000.
-Without heavy clothing: 408,000,000.

Android #13: 200,000,000.
-Merged with #14 & #15: 500,000,000.

Son Goku: 4,800,000.
-Super Saiyan: 240,000,000.
-Genkidama: 1,000,000,000.
--Genkidama absorbed: 1,240,000,000.

The Cell Arc

Spoiler:

Piccolo(merged with Kami): 322,000,000.
-Without heavy clothing: 408,000,000.

Android #16: 600,000,000.

Tenshinhan(Shin Kikoho): 800,000,000...

Vegeta: 10,000,000.
-Super Saiyan Stage I: 500,000,000.
-Super Saiyan Stage II: 2,500,000,000.

Trunks: 10,000,000.
-Super Saiyan Stage I: 500,000,000.
-Super Saiyan Stage II: 2,250,000,000.
-Super Saiyan Stage III: 5,000,000,000.
Basically Vegeta after having unlocked the second stage of Super Saiyan mostly trained in that form and thus the gap between his Super Saiyan form and his second stage form increased. This also applies to Trunks. Trunks also unlocked the third stage, but didn’t get to train it much, thus the gap between his second and third stage forms diminished.

Cell: 300,000,000.
-Powered up: 600,000,000.
-Second Form: 1,000,000,000.
--Full Power: 1,500,000,000.
-Perfect Form: 1,800,000,000.
--Powered up: 4,000,000,000.

Meanwhile as Goku teaches Gohan about the balance of Super Power...

Son Goku: 5,000,000.
-Super Saiyan Stage I: 250,000,000.
-Super Saiyan Stage II: 500,000,000.
-Super Saiyan Stage III: 1,500,000,000.
Goku is here to show, that he surpassed initial second form Cell with Super Saiyan Stage III, as stated by Gohan.

Movie 8: Burn Up!! A Red-Hot, Raging, Super-Fierce Fight.

Spoiler:

Paragus: 3,000.

Son Gohan: 6,000,000.
-Super Saiyan: 300,000,000.
Piccolo: 408,000,000.

Trunks: 10,000,000.
-Super Saiyan stage II: 2,250,000,000.
Vegeta: 10,000,000.
-Super Saiyan stage II: 2,500,000,000.

Broly: 1,500.
-Full Power(restricted): 10,000,000.
-Super Saiyan(restricted): 5,000,000,000.
-Legendary Super Saiyan: 15,000,000,000.

Son Goku: 10,000,000.
-Super Saiyan: 3,000,000,000.
--Powered up by Vegeta: 20,000,000,000.

Ova: Plan to Eradicate the Super Saiyans

Spoiler:

Piccolo: 1,000,000,000.
Trunks: 11,000,000.
-Super Saiyan: 4,000,000,000.
Vegeta: 11,000,000.
-Super Saiyan: 4,500,000,000.
Son Gohan: 12,000,000.
-Super Saiyan: 6,000,000,000.
Son Goku: 15,000,000.
-Super Saiyan: 7,500,000,000.

Hatchihyack: 18,000,000,000.

The Cell Games

Spoiler:

Mister Satan: 6.66.

Piccolo: 1,000,000,000.

Trunks: 11,000,000.
-Super Saiyan: 4,000,000,000.
Vegeta: 11,000,000.
-Super Saiyan: 4,500,000,000.

Cell Juniors: 5,000,000,000.

Super Saiyan Son Goku: 3,750,000,000.
-Full Power: 7,500,000,000.

Cell: 4,000,000,000.
-Powered up: 8,000,000,000.
-Full Power: 12,000,000,000.
--Power Weighted: 18,000,000,000.
-Super Powered: 20,000,000,000.

Super Saiyan Full Power Son Gohan: 10,000,000,000.
-Super Saiyan 2: 20,000,000,000.
--Full Power: 40,000,000,000.

Peace for the Future...

Spoiler:

Android #17: 250,000,000.
Android #18: 220,000,000.

Trunks: 11,000,000.
-Super Saiyan: 4,000,000,000.

Over 3 years later...

Cell: 300,000,000.

Trunks: 12,000,000.
-Super Saiyan: 6,000,000,000.

Movie 9: The Galaxy at the Brink!! The Super Incredible Guy

Spoiler:

Yamcha: 10,000.
Tenshinhan: 16,000.
Krillin: 30,000.

Piccolo: 1,000,000,000.

Zangya: 1,500,000,000.
-Hair upright: 3,000,000,000.
Bujin: 3,000,000,000.
Bido: 4,000,000,000.
Gokua: 2,500,000,000.
-Transformed: 5,000,000,000.
I think Gokua is the strongest, because the villain's strongest henchman seems to be the first to fall. At least that's the case in movies 4 and 5 according to official material.

Trunks: 12,000,000.
-Super Saiyan: 6,000,000,000.
Vegeta: 13,000,000.
-Super Saiyan: 6,500,000,000.

Bojack: 12,500,000,000.
-Transformed: 25,000,000,000.

Son Gohan: 20,000,000.
-Super Saiyan: 10,000,000,000.
-Super Saiyan 2: 40,000,000,000.

The Battle in Hell

Spoiler:

Guldo: 30,000,000.
Recoome: 40,000,000.
Butta: 40,000,000.
Jheese: 40,000,000.

King Cold: 9,000,000.
Freeza: 12,000,000.

Son Goku: 15,000,000.
-Super Base: 750,000,000.

Cell: 20,000,000,000.

Paikuhan(Fired Up): 25,000,000,000.

The Afterlife Tournament

Spoiler:

North Kaio: 3,500.
East Kaio: 2,500.
South Kaio: 4,500.
West Kaio: 1,500.

Great Kaio: 1,500,000,000.

Olibu: 15,000,000.

Son Goku: 25,000,000.
-Super Saiyan: 12,500,000,000.
-Super Kaio-ken: 25,000,000,000.

Paikuhan: 20,000,000.
-Without heavy clothing: 25,000,000,000.

The Great Saiyaman

Spoiler:

Videl: 6.7.

Son Gohan: 20,000,000.
-Super Saiyan(sparring with Goten): 1,000,000,000.
Son Goten: 20,000,000.
-Super Saiyan: 1,000,000,000.
Trunks: 21,000,000.
-Super Saiyan: 1,050,000,000.

Vegeta: 24,000,000.
-Super Saiyan(sparring with Trunks): 1,200,000,000.

Movie 10: The Dangerous duo! Super-Warriors can't rest

Spoiler:

Videl: 7.
Krillin: 25,000.

Son Goten: 22,000,000.
-Super Saiyan: 1,100,000,000.
Trunks: 23,000,000.
-Super Saiyan: 1,150,000,000.

Son Gohan: 24,000,000.
-Super Saiyan: 12,000,000,000.
-Super Saiyan 2: 24,000,000,000.

Broli: 30,000,000.
-Super Saiyan: 15,000,000,000.
-Legendary Super Saiyan: 30,000,000,000.

The 25th Strongest under the Heavens Tournament

Spoiler:

Mr. Satan: 6.66.
Videl: 7.

Spopovich: 120.
Yamu: 150.
Yamu has a higher BP simply because he's the Vegeta to Spopovich's Nappa.

Krillin: 25,000.

Kibito: 15,000,000.
Kibito was a weakling compared to normal Gohan. He couldn't lift the Z-Sword and Gohan only thought it'd be a tough match, because he had just heard from Piccolo, that Kibito's buddy Shin was even stronger than Piccolo.

#18: 300,000,000.
Piccolo: 1,500,000,000.

Super Saiyan 2 Son Gohan(relaxed): 18,000,000,000.

Movie 11: Super-Warrior Defeat!! I'm the One Who'll Win

Spoiler:

Mr. Satan: 6.66.
Krillin: 25,000.
#18: 300,000,000.

Son Goten: 24,000,000.
-Super Saiyan: 1,200,000,000.
Trunks: 25,000,000.
-Super Saiyan: 1,250,000,000.

Broly(Legendary Super Slime): 30,000,000,000.

The Battle against Babidi's Men and Majin Buu

Spoiler:

Kaioshin: 15,000,000,000.

Babidi: 5.
Pui Pui: 10,000.
Yakon: 40,000,000.
Dabra: 20,000,000,000.
Dabra was weaker than Gohan, but could use his magic to take Gohan by surprise.

Son Gohan: 24,000,000.
-Super Saiyan: 24,000,000,000.

Vegeta: 30,000,000.
-Super Saiyan: 30,000,000,000.
-Super Saiyan 2/Powered up by Babidi: 50,000,000,000.
Despite his intense training, Vegeta admitted he couldn't diminish the gap to Goku, which according to this list is 1.66(Vegeta(BP) = 60% Goku(BP)).

Son Goku: 50,000,000.
-Super Saiyan: 25,000,000,000.
-Super Saiyan 2: 50,000,000,000.
-Super Saiyan 3: 200,000,000,000.

Son Goten: 24,000,000.
-Super Saiyan: 1,200,000,000.
Trunks: 25,000,000.
-Super Saiyan: 1,250,000,000.

Gotenks: 2,400,000,000.
-Super Saiyan: 120,000,000,000.

Majin Buu (Fat): 30,000,000,000.
-Power-up 1: 60,000,000,000.
--Power-up 2: 90,000,000,000.
-Point of splitting: 375,000,000,000.

Mr. Buu: 150,000,000,000.
Pure Evil Buu: 225,000,000,000.

Movie 12: The Rebirth of Fusion!! Goku and Vegeta

Spoiler:

Mr. Satan: 6.66.
Videl: 7.

Freeza: 12,000,000.

Son Goten: 24,000,000.
-Super Saiyan: 1,200,000,000.
Trunks: 25,000,000.
-Super Saiyan: 1,250,000,000.
Son Gohan: 60,000,000.
Vegeta: 50,000,000.
-Super Saiyan 2: 50,000,000,000.

Super Saiyan Gotenks: 120,000,000,000.

Son Goku: 50,000,000.
-Super Saiyan 3: 200,000,000,000.

Janenba: 150,000,000,000.
-Super Powered: 450,000,000,000.

Super Saiyan Gogeta: 2,500,000,000,000.

The Terrible Super Majin Buu

Spoiler:

Kibito: 15,000,000.
Kaioshin: 15,000,000,000.

Kaioshin(merged with Kibito): 30,030,000,000.

Son Goten: 25,000,000.
Trunks: 26,000,000.

Gotenks: 2,500,000,000.
-Super Saiyan: 125,000,000,000.
-Super Saiyan 2: 250,000,000,000.
-Super Saiyan 3: 1,000,000,000,000.

Son Gohan(Ultimate Power): 1,250,000,000,000.

Super Majin Buu: 750,000,000,000.
-With Super Gotenks: 1,750,000,000,000.
-With Gohan: 2,000,000,000,000.

Gogeta(hypothetical): 5,000,000,000.
-Super Saiyan: 2,500,000,000,000.
-Super Saiyan 2: 5,000,000,000,000.
-Super Saiyan 3: 20,000,000,000,000.

Vegetto: 50,000,000,000.
-Super Saiyan: 25,000,000,000,000.

Pure Majin Buu(South Kaioshin absorbed): 1,000,000,000,000.

A Match with the Whole Universe at Stake

Spoiler:

The Kaioshins, who faced Buu
East Kaioshin: 10,000,000,000.
West Kaioshin: 20,000,000,000.
North Kaioshin: 20,000,000,000.
Great Kaioshin: 40,000,000,000.
South Kaioshin: 800,000,000,000.

The Final Battle against Buu
Mr. Satan: 6.66.
Vegeta: 50,000,000.
-Super Saiyan 2: 50,000,000,000.
Mr. Buu: 150,000,000,000.

Pure Majin Buu : 200,000,000,000.

Son Goku: 50,000,000.
-Super Saiyan 3: 200,000,000,000.
-Final Genkidama: 1,000,000,000,000.

Movie 13: Dragon Fist Explosion!! If Goku won't do it, who will?

Spoiler:

Son Goten: 25,000,000.
-Super Saiyan: 1,250,000,000.
Trunks: 26,000,000.
-Super Saiyan: 1,300,000,000.

Vegeta: 50,000,000.
-Super Saiyan 2: 50,000,000,000.
Super Gotenks: 1,000,000,000,000.
Super Son Gohan: 1,250,000,000,000.

Hildegarn(each half): 375,000,000,000.
-Complete: 750,000,000,000.
-Super Form: 3,000,000,000,000.

Son Goku: 50,000,000.
-Super Saiyan: 25,000,000,000.
-Super Saiyan 2: 50,000,000,000.
-Super Saiyan 3: 200,000,000,000.
--Dragon Fist Explosion: 6,000,000,000,000.

Special: Yo! Son Goku and friends return!!

Spoiler:

Tarble: 1,800.

Yamcha: 5,000.
Tenshinhan: 20,000.
Krillin: 25,000.
#18: 300,000,000.
Piccolo: 1,500,000,000.

Avo: 500,000.
Kado: 500,000.

Aka: 50,000,000.

Son Goten: 25,000,000.
Trunks: 26,000,000.

Gotenks: 2,500,000,000.
-Super Saiyan: 125,000,000,000.

Vegeta: 55,000,000.
Son Goku: 55,000,000.
-Super Saiyan: 27,500,000,000.

Movie 14: Battle of Gods

Spoiler:

Super Saiyan Gotenks: 125,000,000,000.
Wronly colored Son Gohan: 50,000,000,000.

Super Saiyan Vegeta: 30,000,000,000.
-Angry: 300,000,000,000.

Vegetto(hypothetical): 60,000,000,000.
-Super Saiyan 3: 240,000,000,000,000.

Son Goku: 60,000,000.
-Super Saiyan: 30,000,000,000.
-Super Saiyan 2: 60,000,000,000.
-Super Saiyan 3: 240,000,000,000.
-Super Saiyan God: 6,000,000,000,000,000.


Beerus: 10,000,000,000,000,000.

Whis: 15,000,000,000,000,000.

Movie 15:

Spoiler:

The new villain stronger than anything before him, Gohan and Gotenks still marginalised and Krillin still stronger than Tenshinhan.
Something like that, I'm sure.

The 28th Strongest under the Heavens Tournament

Spoiler:

Pan: 2,000,000.
Son Goten: 30,000,000.
Trunks: 31,000,000.
Son Gohan: 1,000,000,000.

Son Goku: 40,000,000,000.
Uub: 40.
-Angry: 40,000,000,000.

Dragon Ball GT
The search for the Dark Dragon Balls

Spoiler:

Pan: 20,000,000.
Trunks: 50,000,000.

Redict: 100,000,000,000.

General Rildo: 2,500,000,000,000.
-Metal Rildo: 3,000,000,000,000.

Son Goku: 500,000,000,000.
-Super Saiyan: 2,500,000,000,000.

The Revenge of Baby

Spoiler:

Son Goten: 50,000,000.
-Super Saiyan: 2,500,000,000.
Trunks: 50,000,000.
-Super Saiyan: 2,500,000,000.
Son Gohan: 40,000,000,000.
-Super Saiyan: 200,000,000,000.

Mr. Buu: 150,000,000,000.
Uub: 200,000,000,000.
-Merged with Buu: 35,000,000,000,000.

Vegeta: 500,000,000,000.
-Super Saiyan: 2,500,000,000,000.
-Super Saiyan 2: 5,000,000,000,000.

Vegeta-Baby: 25,000,000,000,000.
-Super Vegeta-Baby: 50,000,000,000,000.
-Super Vegeta-Baby2: 100,000,000,000,000.
-Golden Ozaru: 1,000,000,000,000,000.

Son Goku: 500,000,000,000.
-Super Saiyan: 2,500,000,000,000.
-Super Saiyan 2: 5,000,000,000,000.
-Super Saiyan 3: 20,000,000,000,000.
--Golden Ozaru: 200,000,000,000,000.
-Super Saiyan 4: 1,000,000,000,000,000.

The Incredible Super #17

Spoiler:

Freeza: 200,000,000,000.
Cell: 300,000,000,000.

Son Goten: 50,000,000.
-Super Saiyan: 2,500,000,000.
Trunks: 50,000,000.
-Super Saiyan: 2,500,000,000.
Son Gohan: 40,000,000,000.
-Super Saiyan: 200,000,000,000.
Vegeta: 500,000,000,000.
-Super Saiyan: 2,500,000,000,000.

Son Goku: 500,000,000,000.
-Super Saiyan 4: 1,000,000,000,000,000.

Super Android #17: 1,000,000,000,000,000.

The 7 Evil Dragons

Spoiler:

Vegeta: 500,000,000,000.
-Super Saiyan 4: 1,000,000,000,000,000.

Son Goku: 500,000,000,000.
-Super Saiyan: 2,500,000,000,000.
-Super Saiyan 2: 5,000,000,000,000.
-Super Saiyan 3: 20,000,000,000,000.
-Super Saiyan 4: 1,000,000,000,000,000.
-Universal Genkidama: 100,000,000,000,000,000.

1-Star Dragon: 2,000,000,000,000,000.
-Super Form: 30,000,000,000,000,000.

Super Saiyan 4 Gogeta: 100,000,000,000,000,000.

Tv Special: Goku's Side Story! The Proof of his Courage is the Four-Star Ball

Spoiler:

Goku Jr.: 3,000.
-Super Saiyan: 150,000.
Vegeta Jr.: 3,500.
-Super Saiyan: 175,000.

If this isn't my final power levels list, then I'll be really surprised

[ZombieVito]

Piccolo is really really weak in the Cell games. Damn.

[dbgtFO]

Yeah, Piccolo ends up a good deal below the level he's usually hyped up to be.
I don't even have a power level for him pre merging with Nail for example.

[Doctor.]

I think you put the humans waaaaaaaaaaaay too low. They were able to survive hits from Cell Jrs. They trained for the androids and thought they were going to use be useful, even knowing they killed everyone in Trunks' timeline.

[dbgtFO]

Honestly I have no clue on the Earthlings. It's preposterous for them to reach the millions, but I guess that's why you shouldn't think of it in terms of numbers.

Dr. Gero the guy, that figured Saiyan arc Goku had peaked wasn't suprised about Yamcha's power, but then calls it useful and also said he could beat Vegeta with the powers of Piccolo and co., who unbeknownst to him were suppressing their powers. Added to the fact that they were capable of flying at the same pace as Goku it all really suggests, that I'm far from giving them enough credit
Of course Tenshinhan also managed to fly as fast as merged Piccolo, who really shouldn't have been flying at anything less than full speed, because they were trying to catch Cell, so I don't know how to interpret all this.

So in short I really might be underselling the Earthlings, but they are so outclassed they might as well be that low
It's basically the same situation with Goten, Trunks and Pan in GT.

[Doctor.]

Also, why do you have Bardock at 3,000 in Episode of Bardock?

It follows the same line as the TV special, does it not?

[dbgtFO]

Yeah, Episode of Bardock was originally a sequel to the tv special, but since Toriyama changed Bardock's story with DB minus, I just think of EoB as a contiuation of that instead of the tv special.

[Doctor.]

Yeah, Episode of Bardock was originally a sequel to the tv special, but since Toriyama changed Bardock's story with DB minus, I just think of EoB as a contiuation of that instead of the tv special.

Oh... God

I refuse to think of that monstrosity as anything close to canon.

[dbgtFO]

Oh... God

I refuse to think of that monstrosity as anything close to canon.

DB minus? Or EoB?
Either way I too think they are utterly horrible, but I pretty much cover everything here, well except for the Trunks tv special, but I found it unnecessary.

[Doctor.]

Oh... God

I refuse to think of that monstrosity as anything close to canon.

DB minus? Or EoB?
Either way I too think they are utterly horrible, but I pretty much cover everything here, well except for the Trunks tv special, but I found it unnecessary.

EoB. DB Minus is made by Toriyama, so we pretty much have no choice. Seeing as how EoB was made before Minus, I would have used the same Bardock as the TV Special. But nevermind.

[Low Tone G]

Movie 14: Battle of Gods
Spoiler:Hide
Super Saiyan Gotenks: 125,000,000,000.
Wronly colored Son Gohan: 50,000,000,000.

Super Saiyan Vegeta: 30,000,000,000.
-Angry: 300,000,000,000.

Vegetto(hypothetical): 60,000,000,000.
-Super Saiyan 3: 240,000,000,000,000.

Son Goku: 60,000,000.
-Super Saiyan: 30,000,000,000.
-Super Saiyan 2: 60,000,000,000.
-Super Saiyan 3: 240,000,000,000.
-Super Saiyan God: 6,000,000,000,000,000.


Beerus: 10,000,000,000,000,000.

Whis: 15,000,000,000,000,000.

Movie 15:
Spoiler:Hide
The new villain stronger than anything before him, Gohan and Gotenks still marginalised and Krillin still stronger than Tenshinhan.
Something like that, I'm sure.

Oh, so you have Ultimate Gohan being a wrongly coloured Super Saiyan, I suppose. I assume you have him as he has lost the Mystic power-up after Buu saga. But you still have him stronger than Super Saiyan Goku. Or he has retained some of Mystic powers?

So You have Vegetto as 60,000,000,000. But if SSJ3 Goku is 240,000,000,000, then Base Vegetto should be at least 600,000,000,000 (SSJ3 Goku+SSJ2 Vegeta x 2 = Base Vegetto). So SSJ3 Vegetto is 2,400,000,000,000,000 - so a 10 times stronger. But even that way he is till no match for SSJ-God Goku and Beerus, not to mention Whis.

I do not think Toriyama has Bardock as a Super Saiyan in the past (in other words E.O.B. is not canon in his view), just because he still sees Bardock a low-class Saiyan warrior, as he said it in an interview.

So Goku has lost his Godly powers after B.O.G, as he is weaker than he was as a SSJ-G.

For the new movie levels I can agree with your predictions.

[dbgtFO]

Oh, so you have Ultimate Gohan being a wrongly coloured Super Saiyan, I suppose. I assume you have him as he has lost Mystic power-up after Buu saga. But you still have him stronger than Super Saiyan Goku. Or he has retained some of Mystic powers?

Yeah, he retained some of that power.

So You have Vegetto as 60,000,000,000. But if SSJ3 Goku is 240,000,000,000, then Base Vegetto should be at least 600,000,000,000 (SSJ3 Goku+SSJ2 Vegeta x 2 = Base Vegetto). So SSJ3 Vegetto is 2,400,000,000,000,000 - so a 10 times stronger. But even that way he is till no match for SSJ-God Goku and Beerus, not to mention Whis.

That could be possible. Admittedly I like the fusion base form to be stronger than any Super Saiyan form of the two involved. I used to have it like this:
Goku < SS3 Goku < Gogeta < SS3 Gogeta < Vegetto < SS Vegetto.

I do not thinks Toriyama has Bardock as a Super Saiyan in the past (in toher words E.O.B. is not canon in his view), just because he still sees Bardock a low-class Saiyan warrior, as he said it in an interview.

Yeah, neither do I. I just used the revised version of Bardock to have SS Goku on Namek be 1000 times stronger than SS Bardock, like Randomguy did.

So Goku has lost his Godly powers after B.O.G, as he is weaker than he was as a SSJ-G.

For the new movie levels I can agree with your predictions.

I made the GT list without really thinking too much about Battle of Gods. I don't think they're supposed to fit together.

[Low Tone G]

So You have Vegetto as 60,000,000,000. But if SSJ3 Goku is 240,000,000,000, then Base Vegetto should be at least 600,000,000,000 (SSJ3 Goku+SSJ2 Vegeta x 2 = Base Vegetto). So SSJ3 Vegetto is 2,400,000,000,000,000 - so a 10 times stronger. But even that way he is still no match for SSJ-God Goku and Beerus, not to mention Whis.

That could be possible. Admittedly I like the fusion base form to be stronger than any Super Saiyan form of the two involved. I used to have it like this:
Goku < SS3 Goku < Gogeta < SS3 Gogeta < Vegetto < SS Vegetto.

Yeah... But I do not think SSJ3 Gogeta is still below Base Vegetto. I'd say something like this: Goku < SSJ3 Goku </= Gogeta* < Vegetto < SSJ Gogeta < SSJ2 Gogeta </= SSJ Vegetto < SSJ2 Vegetto </= SSJ3 Gogeta < SSJ3 Vegetto

So I think that there is only a level of SSJ difference between Gogeta and Vegetto, in favor of Vegetto.

*I think Gogeta is more or less is equal with SSJ3 Goku, as Goku had go back to SSJ2 to have a chance to fuse with Vegeta, so (SSJ2 Goku + SSJ2 Vegeta) x2 = Base Gogeta, if I use SSJ3 being 4x SSJ2.

[Doctor.]

My revised Dragon Ball battle powers. This must be my final list, after a bit of tweaking. I'll move on to Z next.

Before Dragon Ball
Dragon Ball Minus

Spoiler:

Kakarotto: 6,5
He was already somewhat grown up, not a baby. Plus, even Gohan states that if he weren’t a martial artist, he would have trouble, so he has to be at least a somewhat above a normal male human and a bit far off from his start of Dragon Ball battle power.
Jaco: 45
He seemed to be at least around 21st Tenkaichi Budokai Goku’s level, based on his feats of carrying his spaceship, blocking bullets and killing the monster shark. Plus, the Galactic Patrol shouldn’t be something to joke about.
Son Gohan: 32
He’s weaker when he lived than when he returned dead. This is because Jackie stated that Goku was the one that pushed him the farthest, meaning that Gohan had to have been around 21st Tenkaichi Budokai levels. While dead, however, he managed to put up a good fight against post training Goku, meaning he had to have some kind of training in the afterlife.

Gine: 500
Bardock: 3.700
He was probably one of the strongest low class. His battle power is very speculative since we saw him do close to nothing.

Freeza: 530.000

Dragon Ball
Hunt for the Dragon Balls Arc

Spoiler:

Son Goku: 10
- Hungry: 8,5
- Oozaru: 100

Bulma: 3,5

Yamcha: 9
Kuririn: 9
I can’t see why he would be weaker than Yamcha like many people suggest. Besides being both weaker than Goku, we have nothing else to suggest either one of them is stronger than the other, so I put them both equal.

Kame-sennin: 36

Gyuumao: 25
Chi-Chi: 4,5
Probably had some training, making her stronger than the average female child. Still, her greatest strength relies on her weapons, not her battle power.

Pilaf: 3
Mai/Shu: 5,5

The 21st Tenkaichi Budokai Arc

Spoiler:

Son Goku: 32
- With tail: 36
-- Oozaru: 400

Lanfan: 7
Stronger than the average human and managed to harm Namu, even if he was trying not to hurt her.
Bacterian: 5,5
Yamcha: 12

Kuririn: 30
Giran: 20
Namu: 30

Jackie Chun: 36
- Full Power: 70
-- Kamehameha: 120

The Red Ribbon Army Arc

Spoiler:

Son Goku: 36
- After his battles in the muscle Tower: 38
- After training under Karin: 114

Colonel Silver: 8
General White: 5
Sargent Metallic: 28
Ninja Murasaki: 10
Buyon: 34

Artificial Human #8: 50
Goku states #8 is stronger than him, but later goes on and says Tao Pai Pai is the strongest opponent he had faced yet, meaning #8 has to be weaker.

General Blue: 33
Assistant Black: 9

Kuririn: 30
Karin: 145

Tao Pai Pai: 75

Dracula Man: 5
Invisible Man: 10
Mummy : 40
Akkuman: 65
Mummy managed to surprise Kame-sennin with his speed, and he even says the 21st TB version of Goku probably wouldn’t have been able to beat him. Akkuman is even stronger.

Son Gohan: 85
Managed to get a few hits on Goku, but the child’s superiority was seen constantly throughout the match.

The 22nd Tenkaichi Budokai Arc

Spoiler:

Son Goku: 146
Karin says that Goku has acquired enough strength to surpass even him. I interpret that as being equal or Goku being slightly stronger.

Man-Wolf: 10
He had to be at least super-human to get to these rounds, but I can’t see him being stronger than this. This might be too much, actually.
Panputto: 32
He destroyed a wall almost as easily as Goku did in the 21st Tenkaichi Budokai.
King Chapa: 90
He was supposed to be a tough opponent for Goku. However, he was still weaker than his friends, seeing as how Goku said he held back and stated he wanted to fight them instead.
Chaozu: 100
For a long time, I’ve underrated Chaozu’s strength. He was able to give Kuririn a good match, a far better match than what Tao Pai Pai gave Goku. So, he’s much stronger than him, unlike what I thought.

Yamcha: 116
Kuririn: 118
He was confident he could win against Goku, knowing how strong he was three years ago and even gave him a good fight. Still, he said both him and Yamcha were around the same level of strength. Plus, Tenshinhan fought both Yamcha and Jackie Chun, but only said that Jackie surpassed Tsuru-sennin.

Tsuru-sennin: 120
Jackie Chun: 139

Tenshinhan: 144
I’ve always felt that Goku was always one step of Tenshinhan on that fight.

The Piccolo Daimao Arc

Spoiler:

Yajirobe: 144

Piano: 7
Cymbal: 70
Tambourine: 130
Drum: 160

Piccolo Daimao: 170
- Young: 214
I know these numbers don’t add up with Piccolo Daimao saying he was beating Goku with less than half his power, but if I put Piccolo any higher, then the numbers don’t add up with Tenshinhan being stronger than Piccolo in the 23rd Budokai or at the beginning of Z.

Son Goku: 146
- After drinking Chousinsui: 215

Mr. Popo: 240
Kami: 280

The 23rd Tenkaichi Budokai Arc

Spoiler:

Son Goku: 245
- Without Weights: 306
Tenshinhan says that Goku improved his strength but not his speed, meaning his overall battle power is higher than 3 years ago.

King Chapa: 93
Chaozu: 130
Chi-Chi: 97

Yamcha: 162
Kuririn: 192

Cyborg Tao Pai Pai: 170
Yamcha was somewhat scared of him, by asking Ten if he needed help, meaning he’s at least a bit weaker. Kuririn didn’t have the same reaction.

Tenshinhan: 244
Was having a good fight with weighted Goku. Although faster, he tired himself out more in the match, and implied he wasn’t as strong as Goku physically.

Kami: 280
Shen: 272
He noted he was weaker in a human body, since his body was more fragile.

Piccolo: 305

I also stole dbgtFO's template. Hope you don't mind :p

[dbgtFO]

Yeah... But I do not think SSJ3 Gogeta is still below Base Vegetto. I'd say something like this: Goku < SSJ3 Goku </= Gogeta* < Vegetto < SSJ Gogeta < SSJ2 Gogeta </= SSJ Vegetto < SSJ2 Vegetto </= SSJ3 Gogeta < SSJ3 Vegetto

So I think that there is only a level of SSJ difference between Gogeta and Vegetto, in favor of Vegetto.

*I think Gogeta is more or less is equal with SSJ3 Goku, as Goku had go back to SSJ2 to have a chance to fuse with Vegeta, so (SSJ2 Goku + SSJ2 Vegeta) x2 = Base Gogeta, if I use SSJ3 being 4x SSJ2.

I also changed my mind concerning Gogeta vs. Vegetto. Now I just have Vegetto 10x stronger at the most, which is still a massive difference, but not as crazy as before.

I also stole dbgtFO's template. Hope you don't mind :p

Haha, no problem

[Low Tone G]

Yeah... But I do not think SSJ3 Gogeta is still below Base Vegetto. I'd say something like this: Goku < SSJ3 Goku </= Gogeta* < Vegetto < SSJ Gogeta < SSJ2 Gogeta </= SSJ Vegetto < SSJ2 Vegetto </= SSJ3 Gogeta < SSJ3 Vegetto

So I think that there is only a level of SSJ difference between Gogeta and Vegetto, in favor of Vegetto.

*I think Gogeta is more or less is equal with SSJ3 Goku, as Goku had go back to SSJ2 to have a chance to fuse with Vegeta, so (SSJ2 Goku + SSJ2 Vegeta) x2 = Base Gogeta, if I use SSJ3 being 4x SSJ2.

I also changed my mind concerning Gogeta vs. Vegetto. Now I just have Vegetto 10x stronger at the most, which is still a massive difference, but not as crazy as before.

That 10x is also high for me. Depending on how is the real multiplier of a SSJ a transformation I'd say the difference is something like 2-5x. When someone's strengh duobles, that means a pretty good development in Dragon Ball. And let not forget Super Gogeta was really strong on his own against Janemba, when Goku was no match for him. I have Super Janemba at Piccolo-Buu level if not Gotenks-Buu.

[RandomGuy96]

In the versus thread, Kaboom made the following post about the whole base Saiyans vs Freeza issue in relation to BOG. I agree with him; in a nutshell, it is illogical to assume someone is suppressed when it's never stated or shown, and use that as an excuse to ignore scenes.

The thing about the whole "the character is heavily suppressed and the people sensing him have no idea" trend in Dragon Ball is that it's always eventually revealed to be the case. As long as it factors into the fights and story, we're never left wondering if a character was suppressed or not.

The suppressed character will suddenly start kicking butt, or just purposely power up to demonstrate. The character will declare that they haven't revealed their full power yet, and then usually proceed to do so. Another side character who knows the truth will comment. Or whatever. Something always happens to correct the mistaken judgement about the suppressed person's power.

But there was no such contradiction in Battle of Gods. You've got Beerus saying, "you couldn't beat Freeza [in base], but you gain more power by going Super Saiyan," and then Goku/Kaio saying, "yep, that's correct."

If that weren't really the case, wouldn't someone have said so? Wouldn't Goku have at least thought to himself, "I've actually gotten way stronger since then?" Wouldn't Goku maybe have bragged and said, "I'm already way stronger than Freeza without Super Saiyan now, so wait 'til you see how strong I am WITH it," when he was showing off for Beerus before they fought? After Goku was beaten, couldn't Kaio have easily remarked about how Goku was far stronger than Beerus thought he was, but was still no match for him? Shoot, all the way back when Whis was first showing Goku's fight with Freeza to Beerus, couldn't he have said, "they've all mastered a technique to increase their power called Super Saiyan, though they've now become so strong they could beat Freeza even without it?"

With this in mind, how does everyone feel about Super Buu's fight with Gotenks? Specifically, the second section of the fight, where Gotenks was a Super Saiyan? Buu is a lot stronger, given his domination of that battle, no doubt about that. But how MUCH stronger? Keep in mind that Buu is never stated or implied to be suppressed, even when it would make sense for someone to say something (like Piccolo).

Going by the fight, he really, really doesn't look several times stronger than SS Gotenks, as the Super Saiyan multipliers would imply. Gotenks nearly kills him with his Kamikaze Ghosts, lands an actual hit himself in the form of a headbutt that gives Buu a bruise (earning him praise from Piccolo), dodges a couple of Buu's hits, and survives a beating from him. Yes, Buu could have been pulling his punches, but it's still notable, and I highly doubt he was still holding back at the very end, when Gotenks made him mad and he punched the kid in the face in a rage. Gotenks took quite a bit of damage, but he still survived. Also fairly notable: Buu was bored by base Gotenks and took his punches without budging. He was having fun with SS Gotenks, and couldn't tank physical attacks from him. Buu had no problem tanking base Gotenks, so the interpretation that he held back to a specific percentage here and only here for whatever reason doesn't seem to make much sense.

Some would bring up his generally relaxed demeanor as a sign of him being suppressed, but I think him holding back EFFORT is what's being shown here, not power. Examples of him holding back effort include letting Gotenks charge his attacks, allowing most of his attacks to connect, and simply slapping him around instead of just grabbing him by the throat and repeatedly smashing his face in. He could be winning easily as opposed to dragging the battle out, but he chooses to toy with Gotenks. Hisntoying is because of his behavior, not his battle power. An example of a fighter holding back power, as opposed to effort, would be when Cell was fighting Goku.

Think of it like this: would you think Buu was ~8 times stronger than Gotenks if there was no SS3 transformation, and the fight got interrupted by Gohan before it ever came to that?