Official On-Going DBZ 2015 Movie Thread: "Resurrection 'F'"

[Low Tone G]

So do you treat the comic scenes fillers?

By the way... I really expect something bad to occur, like never before in history of DB, but ultimately turn good.

I appreciate your two-movie-story idea. So in that way BOG would become a trilogy, like I always expected.

I'm still wainting a story to take place after the 28th Tenkaichi Budokai,

because those 5 years since BOG look too peaceful for me to have such a big trouble like it's anticipated.

It depends on the scene.

Of course everything will turn out good at the end but i want it to get really bad before it gets good,Something like what happened in the Buu arc where everything they tried kept failing until the last second.

If you mean this story then i agree cause i don't see how they can go beyond 3 movies but overall i doubt we will only get 2 more cause of all the $$$ they're making so after the 3rd one i can see them going for another story.

Unless Toriyama changes his mind i don't think we'll get anything after the 28th.

Why do you say that ? It's the dragon world after all so peace doesn't last for very long.

I'm saying that because Bulma told Goku that he doesn't visit her very often, Bulma said that they did not see each other for 5 years. So if that truely big problem would have occcured in that period, I expexted that Bulma and Goku would have met each other. Since the Batttle of Gods movie did not have any serious consequences concerning the EOZ events, this movie should have some, unless Toriyama wants to end the movie just like he did with BOG, aka Goku shows something interesting and the foe decides to spare our heroes.

[KentalSSJ6]

It could be Earth's very first Kami. That would be interesting to see.

[sintzu]

It could be Earth's very first Kami. That would be interesting to see.

With Toriyama writing it whoever will be the last person we expected.

[Low Tone G]

It could be Earth's very first Kami. That would be interesting to see.

With Toriyama writing it whoever will be the last person we expected.

Not hopeless, I would say. But that wouldn't provoke despair. I predict that even if the being provokes despair, but he will be resurrected to avoid something worse or to he is the key to for a possibility.

[Chuquita]

The fact that they used "zetsubou", a word mainly used to describe Future Trunks' world, to describe the situation in DB15 makes me think there must be higher stakes (or at least a more complex difficulty) in whatever the cast is facing. "Despair" feels way more dire than being in a "big pinch".


EDIT:
The fact that they're promoting this one with ssj Gokû instead of base form also makes me think we're getting something more dire this time; and even though it is Toriyama and I know he'll find a way to inject humor into the movie, the manga could get pretty serious at times (and gory, to use the "Cell's drinking people", "Babidi's making people explode", "Buu stuffing himself into that one guy and making him blow up from the inside out") not that I think it'll get gory, but dire in the sense of Future Trunks' situation prior to traveling back in time is something I could see.


Also! I'm especially interested to see where the script goes this time around because Toriyama's not re-writing someone else's ideas into his own thing, but starting from scratch himself. He doesn't have to use someone else's ideas from a different script is what I mean. (Even though ssjg Gokû ended up working out adorably for me.)

[Bullza]

I still think they'll revive the original Super Saiyan God. A couple reasons as to why.

1. He'd be one of very few potential characters that could give Goku a run for his money at this point having the same power as him.

2. The last movie did explain him a bit. In DB Minus it was also brought up so it might be something Toriyama is interested in delving deeper into.

I'd guess that Goku wants to learn more about his God like powers or perhaps just someone to spar with so they revive him thinking it'll be fine because he's a good guy as explained by Shenron. Except later on he finds out that his home planet that he'd previous fought for has been destroyed and it changes him for the worse.

If anyone has seen Man of Steel then he'd be a bit like Zod where he does evil deeds out of loyalty to his people. Maybe he'd blame Vegeta and his father for not protecting their home so he decides to take revenge by trying to destroy Vegeta's new home. This would be more likely if Vegeta really was the main character.

Which is why it all ends up being the worst wish.

[Hellspawn28]

The original Super Saiyan God has been dead for sometime now. I doubt Shenron can bring him back and who knows where he is in Other World.

[Gyt Kaliba]

1. He'd be one of very few potential characters that could give Goku a run for his money at this point having the same power as him.

I still just don't get this mind set, at all. We've seen time and again the mortals of Dragon Ball surpassing the gods. Just because we now have a god power that's 'the strongest thing EVER' doesn't mean it can't once again be surpassed by something mortal.

That and Dragon Ball has already fallen way too hard on the 'If you're not a Saiyan, you can't do shit' stereotype, I really don't want to see that evolve into 'If you're not a God you can't do shit'.

[Doctor.]

1. He'd be one of very few potential characters that could give Goku a run for his money at this point having the same power as him.

Hmm, what? A primitive Saiyan with a base battle power of around 20.000 at best is not going to be a match for someone around Freeza's level.

Even if SSJG is a set number and not a multiplier, the original SSJG did not absorb the form's power like Goku did, from what Shenlong told us.

Plus, SSJG is supposed to be good, not evil, and certainly not that could be associated with "despair".

2. The last movie did explain him a bit. In DB Minus it was also brought up so it might be something Toriyama is interested in delving deeper into.

The form sure.

Just like the original SSJ was never revealed, the original SSJG will not be revealed as well.

[Bullza]

The original Super Saiyan God has been dead for sometime now. I doubt Shenron can bring him back and who knows where he is in Other World.

I'm sure that they could find a way to get around it. The thing about how characters can only be revived within a year of their death is supposed to be a misconception.

I'd imagine he'd be in Heaven.

I still just don't get this mind set, at all. We've seen time and again the mortals of Dragon Ball surpassing the gods. Just because we now have a god power that's 'the strongest thing EVER' doesn't mean it can't once again be surpassed by something mortal.

That's not really what I was getting at. In the 7th universe who else could there really be who'd be a match for Goku? Frieza was already supposed to be the strongest in the universe. Dabura was supposed to be the strongest in the demon realm. They've had ancient beings that had been sealed away and now a God who couldn't be sensed who awoke after decades.

If there was anyone else out there remotely as strong they'd have sensed him.

So the only real option is to bring back the strongest being to ever exist and I think it should be the original SSJ God/real LSSJ.

Which would make sense because

1) The Z Fighters know of him
2) They think he's a good guy and wouldn't purposefully revive someone evil
3) It's understandable why he'd be a match for Goku

[Bullza]

Hmm, what? A primitive Saiyan with a base battle power of around 20.000 at best is not going to be a match for someone around Freeza's level.

Those are just numbers. He can be as strong as the plot calls for it, besides if he did get to keep his body he'd have had hundreds, maybe thousands of years to train to get just as strong if not stronger than Goku.

Goku in just seven years learnt how to achieve SSJ2 and SSJ3 so I'm sure he could come up with plenty of new tricks.

Plus, SSJG is supposed to be good, not evil, and certainly not that could be associated with "despair".

I said already. He'd be a good guy who turns evil later after his revival. Unless the wish is made by someone other than the main characters which is unlikely then they wouldn't revive someone associated with despair to begin with.

[Chuquita]

Went and looked up the dates for next year's Golden Week. Presuming DB15 premieres on a Saturday the way most Toei animated films do, the day it'll come out will probably be May 2nd?

[Careless Saiyajin]

So the only real option is to bring back the strongest being to ever exist and I think it should be the original SSJ God/real LSSJ.

Which would make sense because

1) The Z Fighters know of him
2) They think he's a good guy and wouldn't purposefully revive someone evil
3) It's understandable why he'd be a match for Goku

So perhaps in this movie Goku revives the origonal ssj God whom is a "good" guy but may not trust the saiyans on earth for example vegeta. And this could relate to some sort of conflict. Or he turns out to be evil as Bullza has said. Either way i'm very curious about the possibility of reviving the origonal super saiyan god.

[miguelnuva1]

Introduce the super saiyan devil.

[Bullza]

Yeah I think it'd be a good idea. They conquered the present by defeating Frieza and Buu, they conquered the future by defeating the Androids so next up is to conquer the past by defeating the original SSJ God.

I'd like to see Battle of Gods as being the start of a "God Arc" and part of a bigger story that would continue with this upcoming movie.

[sintzu]

1- We have no idea who's making the wish so there's no reason to have the speculation limited to Goku
2- Even though it was said the original ssjg was good you have to keep in mind that's compared to the Saiyans he was fighting so for all we know he could be as bad as frieza compared to Goku and the others
3- Isn't Shenron stated to be able to do more if he can only grant one wish ? if so then there's no reason to why he can't bring someone back from that far back in time

Just like the original SSJ was never revealed, the original SSJG will not be revealed as well.

In the anime it's Bardock.

I'd like to see Battle of Gods as being the start of a "God Arc" and part of a bigger story that would continue with this upcoming movie.

Based on how BOG ended and what we know about this one i think that's what they have in mind

[Low Tone G]

1- We have no idea who's making the wish so there's no reason to have the speculation limited to Goku
2- Even though it was said the original ssjg was good you have to keep in mind that's compared to the Saiyans he was fighting so for all we know he could be as bad as Freeza compared to Goku and the others
3- Isn't Shenron stated to be able to do more if he can only grant one wish ? if so then there's no reason to why he can't bring someone back from that far back in time

Just like the original SSJ was never revealed, the original SSJG will not be revealed as well.

1.In the anime it's Bardock.

I'd like to see Battle of Gods as being the start of a "God Arc" and part of a bigger story that would continue with this upcoming movie.

2. Based on how BOG ended and what we know about this one i think that's what they have in mind

1. Yeah, and Episode of Bardock has also a manga version supervised By Akira Toriyama(but it's highly unclear if it's a part of Toriyama's DB story).

2. That's I expect it too.


For the Original Super Saiyan God to be resurrected....Toriyama said in an interview that there is a trick for Shenlon to bring back people from death who were killed in that distant past, and he brought the example of Bardock.

I do not see Shenlon to predict a despair because of reviving the Original Saiyan God, unless he can see the future, in which that God Saiyan goes bad. I rather see a being who has some powers to open a gate between universes, and that can generate conflict by giving free pass for an evil God of Destruction, and Shenlon fears our God of Destruction too, even if he isn't evil, only short-tempered.

[VegettoEX]

Yeah, and Episode of Bardock has also a manga version supervised By Akira Toriyama(but it's highly unclear if it's a part of Toriyama's DB story).

This should probably be cleared up again. Here's an image of what you're referring to, along with a breakdown our own poor Herms has done several times over (when it was still just a manga, prior to there being an animated adaptation):



What you see there is "Original Author" (原作 genksaku) followed by "Supervisor" or "Editorial Supervisor" (監修 kanshū), and then Naho Ooishi simply being credited with the overall "Manga".

Christ, is that really how they're translating 監修? Because that just means an editor or supervisor. Or an editorial supervisor...or a supervising editor. But not that the manga was "directed by Toriyama", because that...really makes no sense. This isn't a movie, for pete's sake. Anyway, 監修 doesn't imply anything other than that Toriyama oversaw things in a general way. There's no evidence he did anything remotely as involved as writing the script.

For comparison, take the "Dr. Slump Returns for a Little Bit" manga. Toriyama's credited with supervising (監修) that too, while Takao Koyama is credited with writing the actual script, and Katsuyoshi Nakatsuru did the pictures. So Toriyama was just an editorial supervisor and didn't directly create anything. Toriyama's credited in the same way for this Bardock manga, so it's probably a similar situation. Certainly if Toriyama had actually written the story V-Jump would be hyping the hell out of this fact. Look at what happened with the Jump Super Anime Tour special, where they trumpeted how it was based on an original idea of Toriyama's (with Takao Koyama once again writing the actual script).

Might have been good to go over Toriyama's role with Episode of Bardock in a bit more detail. He's credited as being editorial supervisor and for making the original DB series, but apparently one of the other fan translations out there rather stupidly says Episode of Bardock was "directed" by him, as if it were a movie. Perhaps as a result of this, there's some rumors that Toriyama wrote the plot or something, though there's absolutely nothing to suggest this.

Perhaps it's time to add "Akira Toriyama Wrote/Directed/Supervised Episode of Bardock" to the "Rumor Guide"...

[Low Tone G]

Yeah, and Episode of Bardock has also a manga version supervised By Akira Toriyama(but it's highly unclear if it's a part of Toriyama's DB story).

This should probably be cleared up again. Here's an image of what you're referring to, along with a breakdown our own poor Herms has done several times over (when it was still just a manga, prior to there being an animated adaptation):



What you see there is "Original Author" (原作 genksaku) followed by "Supervisor" or "Editorial Supervisor" (監修 kanshū), and then Naho Ooishi simply being credited with the overall "Manga".

Christ, is that really how they're translating 監修? Because that just means an editor or supervisor. Or an editorial supervisor...or a supervising editor. But not that the manga was "directed by Toriyama", because that...really makes no sense. This isn't a movie, for pete's sake. Anyway, 監修 doesn't imply anything other than that Toriyama oversaw things in a general way. There's no evidence he did anything remotely as involved as writing the script.

For comparison, take the "Dr. Slump Returns for a Little Bit" manga. Toriyama's credited with supervising (監修) that too, while Takao Koyama is credited with writing the actual script, and Katsuyoshi Nakatsuru did the pictures. So Toriyama was just an editorial supervisor and didn't directly create anything. Toriyama's credited in the same way for this Bardock manga, so it's probably a similar situation. Certainly if Toriyama had actually written the story V-Jump would be hyping the hell out of this fact. Look at what happened with the Jump Super Anime Tour special, where they trumpeted how it was based on an original idea of Toriyama's (with Takao Koyama once again writing the actual script).

Might have been good to go over Toriyama's role with Episode of Bardock in a bit more detail. He's credited as being editorial supervisor and for making the original DB series, but apparently one of the other fan translations out there rather stupidly says Episode of Bardock was "directed" by him, as if it were a movie. Perhaps as a result of this, there's some rumors that Toriyama wrote the plot or something, though there's absolutely nothing to suggest this.

Perhaps it's time to add "Akira Toriyama Wrote/Directed/Supervised Episode of Bardock" to the "Rumor Guide"...

So in other words Toriyama wasn't involved a bit in the production of the manga.... But if Toriyama did not anything other than he actually read the manga before it was publicated, if it would have contained some plot errors, than he surely did not corrected it? To be clear... It's sure that Oishi Naho's manga is that we can read it now, and had not been changed a bit by Toriyama before its final form's appearance?

[VegettoEX]

So in other words Toriyama wasn't involved a bit in the production of the manga.... But if Toriyama did not anything other than he actually read the manga before it was publicated, if it would have contained some plot errors, than he surely did not corrected it? To be clear... It's sure that Oishi Naho's manga is that we can read it now, and wasn't changed a bit by Toriyama?

Toriyama designed Chilled. That got a huge splash alongside the first chapter in the August 2011 issue of V-Jump.

There is absolutely zero reason to believe that he did anything (wrote, re-wrote, guided, suggested, etc.) with the story in any way, shape, or form. This is something they would have plugged the ever-living-Hell out of were it to have actually happened, as they did with Battle of Gods.