Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

[goku the krump dancer]

What if Daimaoh knows the Taiyoken, blinds Gast and assimilate'a him while he's distracted ? It won't happen I know lol.

[Puto]

That's not possible; Namekian fusion needs the consent of the individual you're fusing with.

[KentalSSJ6]

Yay, more Asura.

[Kamiccolo9]

That's not possible; Namekian fusion needs the consent of the individual you're fusing with.

Do we know that?

[FoolsGil]

I doubt King Pickle Monster could hold a candle to Gast, I don't even think Gast can be assimilated: Wouldn't the one being absorbed have to activate the process?

More Gast wank. Yay.

Aren't you one of the ones complaining about Vegetto, Bra, or Broly wank?

[Puto]

Every instance of Namekian fusion in the series was initiated by the ‘absorbee’ (Nail and God respectively), with the recipient (Piccolo) not having an active role beyond just putting himself on the other person, so it stands to reason it's not something that can be forced… at least not in that direction. I suppose it's not impossible that a Namekian could force another Namekian to absorb them, but wouldn't that be basically suicide?

[RandomGuy96]

Yay, more Asura.

Ditto. Also, yay, a dead Vegeta.

Aren't you one of the ones complaining about Vegetto, Bra, or Broly wank?

Well, Broly and sometimes Bra, yeah (don't really mind Vegetto because he actually does have a reason to be that strong, I just think he receives too much attention). Your point?

Do we know that?

Piccolo had to convince Kami to fuse with him.

[FoolsGil]

Well, Broly and sometimes Bra, yeah (don't really mind Vegetto because he actually does have a reason to be that strong, I just think he receives too much attention). Your point?

Point? Maybe less complaining? Because at this point it seems you just like to complain if even Gast has earned your ire.

[Kamiccolo9]

Do we know that?

Piccolo had to convince Kami to fuse with him.

That's not evidence though. That's Piccolo not murdering Kami.

Every instance of Namekian fusion in the series was initiated by the ‘absorbee’ (Nail and God respectively), with the recipient (Piccolo) not having an active role beyond just putting himself on the other person, so it stands to reason it's not something that can be forced… at least not in that direction. I suppose it's not impossible that a Namekian could force another Namekian to absorb them, but wouldn't that be basically suicide?

As for it being suicide, it would be interesting if Piccolo would be counting on his will being strong enough to overcome Gast's, making him the dominant mind in the fusion despite using Gast's body.

[RandomGuy96]

Point? Maybe less complaining? Because at this point it seems you just like to complain if even Gast has earned your ire.

What do you mean by "even Gast"? I've highly disproved of Gast's mere existence from the very first time I mentioned my opinion of him. I dislike the very concept and his role in the story thus far.

That's not evidence though. That's Piccolo not murdering Kami.

Who said anything about murder?

[Kamiccolo9]

That's not evidence though. That's Piccolo not murdering Kami.

Who said anything about murder?

Piccolo assimilating Kami, and thus eliminating him as a living being, without his permission, would constitute murder. Piccolo, as he stands in the Cell Arc, would not do that.

[RandomGuy96]

That's not evidence though. That's Piccolo not murdering Kami.

Who said anything about murder?

Piccolo assimilating Kami, and thus eliminating him as a living being, without his permission, would constitute murder. Piccolo, as he stands in the Cell Arc, would not do that.

To save the world? Of course he would. I really don't see Piccolo going through the trouble if he can just make them fuse, and it's not really murder. If anything, the Nameless Namek seems more like Kami than Piccolo after the fusion, at least in the Buu arc.

[Kamiccolo9]

To save the world? Of course he would. I really don't see Piccolo going through the trouble if he can just make them fuse, and it's not really murder. If anything, the Nameless Namek seems more like Kami than Piccolo after the fusion, at least in the Buu arc.

Based on what, exactly? Piccolo is said to be good now, and good people don't run around absorbing people by force. That's what Cell was doing.

What would have happened after the fact is irrelevant. The fact would have been that Piccolo had caused Kami to cease to live by taking his life without his consent. That's murder.

[RandomGuy96]

To save the world? Of course he would. I really don't see Piccolo going through the trouble if he can just make them fuse, and it's not really murder. If anything, the Nameless Namek seems more like Kami than Piccolo after the fusion, at least in the Buu arc.

Based on what, exactly? Piccolo is said to be good now, and good people don't run around absorbing people by force. That's what Cell was doing.

What would have happened after the fact is irrelevant. The fact would have been that Piccolo had caused Kami to cease to live by taking his life without his consent. That's murder.

By that logic, Piccolo commits suicide every time he fuses.

[Kamiccolo9]

To save the world? Of course he would. I really don't see Piccolo going through the trouble if he can just make them fuse, and it's not really murder. If anything, the Nameless Namek seems more like Kami than Piccolo after the fusion, at least in the Buu arc.

Based on what, exactly? Piccolo is said to be good now, and good people don't run around absorbing people by force. That's what Cell was doing.

What would have happened after the fact is irrelevant. The fact would have been that Piccolo had caused Kami to cease to live by taking his life without his consent. That's murder.

By that logic, Piccolo commits suicide every time he fuses.

Piccolo is the dominant one in his fusions. This is made abundantly clear each time he fuses.
I would agree that Nail and Kami both basically committed suicide, though.

[RandomGuy96]

Piccolo is the dominant one in his fusions. This is made abundantly clear each time he fuses.
I would agree that Nail and Kami both basically committed suicide, though.

How is it made clear? The Piccolo we see after he fuses with Kami resembles the latter more than the former (i.e. he's not an arrogant hothead), and Nail was obviously lying to Piccolo when he told him that only his strength would change. It's made clear that Piccolo and Kami fusing is them becoming their original self.

[Kamiccolo9]

Piccolo is the dominant one in his fusions. This is made abundantly clear each time he fuses.
I would agree that Nail and Kami both basically committed suicide, though.

How is it made clear? The Piccolo we see after he fuses with Kami resembles the latter more than the former (i.e. he's not an arrogant hothead), and Nail was obviously lying to Piccolo when he told him that only his strength would change. It's made clear that Piccolo and Kami fusing is them becoming their original self.

Immediately following the fusion towards the end of the Cell arc, Piccolo doesn't act all that different than how he did before. It's only after the 7 year gap in which he becomes more mellowed out, and that could be due as much to the 7 years of uninterrupted peace as it was to Kami's influence.

Each time they fuse, they say that Piccolo will be the base of the fusion. His personality doesn't change all that much following the fusions, he still refers to himself as "Piccolo," except for a brief moment after fusing with Kami, in which he chooses the name "Piccolo" once again. We have Nail saying flat-out that his personality won't change, and nothing shown in a reasonable timeframe after these fusions demonstrates any drastic changes in personality.

As far as becoming their original self, biologically, sure. But mentally? He's Piccolo, with a bit of Kami thrown in to mellow him out some. Saying Piccolo is the nameless namek would be like saying that Super Buu is Fat Buu. Sure, they have the same "parts," but they are their own being.

[RandomGuy96]

Piccolo is the dominant one in his fusions. This is made abundantly clear each time he fuses.
I would agree that Nail and Kami both basically committed suicide, though.

How is it made clear? The Piccolo we see after he fuses with Kami resembles the latter more than the former (i.e. he's not an arrogant hothead), and Nail was obviously lying to Piccolo when he told him that only his strength would change. It's made clear that Piccolo and Kami fusing is them becoming their original self.

Immediately following the fusion towards the end of the Cell arc, Piccolo doesn't act all that different than how he did before. It's only after the 7 year gap in which he becomes more mellowed out, and that could be due as much to the 7 years of uninterrupted peace as it was to Kami's influence.

Each time they fuse, they say that Piccolo will be the base of the fusion. His personality doesn't change all that much following the fusions, he still refers to himself as "Piccolo," except for a brief moment after fusing with Kami, in which he chooses the name "Piccolo" once again. We have Nail saying flat-out that his personality won't change, and nothing shown in a reasonable timeframe after these fusions demonstrates any drastic changes in personality.

As far as becoming their original self, biologically, sure. But mentally? He's Piccolo, with a bit of Kami thrown in to mellow him out some. Saying Piccolo is the nameless namek would be like saying that Super Buu is Fat Buu. Sure, they have the same "parts," but they are their own being.

After fusing with Nail, Piccolo suddenly knows (and is protective of) Dende, so be know that comment on only his strength changing is BS. He also credits his plan against Cell to Kami, again implying a significant personality change. Piccolo was still a hothead after several time skips; IMO the fusion is what changed him.

I'd say it's the opposite. He does take the name, but he acts more like Kami than Piccolo, and is explicitly said to be the original being rather than just a stronger Piccolo. On the other hand, Super Buu is explicitly called the "New Majin Buu".

[Kamiccolo9]

After fusing with Nail, Piccolo suddenly knows (and is protective of) Dende, so be know that comment on only his strength changing is BS. He also credits his plan against Cell to Kami, again implying a significant personality change. Piccolo was still a hothead after several time skips; IMO the fusion is what changed him.

I'd say it's the opposite. He does take the name, but he acts more like Kami than Piccolo, and is explicitly said to be the original being rather than just a stronger Piccolo. On the other hand, Super Buu is explicitly called the "New Majin Buu".

Well, duh. He's got their memories, and there is definitely some influence from Nail and Kami. Just not enough to make him a different person.

Having a plan does not imply a significant personality change. It means he benefited from the fusion.

Lets look at these other timeskips. The first one is him planning how he's gonna kill Goku. The second is him training nonstop for the threat that he's been told will kill him. The 7 year timeskip is the only one where they are at peace, not to mention it's almost as long as the other two put together.

He doesn't act more like Kami, at least not until the Buu Arc. Which is after 7 years of having a chance to mellow out.

I don't care what Buu is called. He's made up of the exact same parts as Fat Buu, only in different "portions." Just like Kamiccolo. Kamiccolo is Piccolo with a bit of Kami thrown in, his whole "Nameless Namek" phase lasts for what, 2 chapters? And then it's back to being Piccolo. He doesn't act much different, he has all the experience of Piccolo, Piccolo is the base of these fusions, etc. This isn't like Gotenks or Vegetto, where the two halves are equal.

[RandomGuy96]

After fusing with Nail, Piccolo suddenly knows (and is protective of) Dende, so be know that comment on only his strength changing is BS. He also credits his plan against Cell to Kami, again implying a significant personality change. Piccolo was still a hothead after several time skips; IMO the fusion is what changed him.

I'd say it's the opposite. He does take the name, but he acts more like Kami than Piccolo, and is explicitly said to be the original being rather than just a stronger Piccolo. On the other hand, Super Buu is explicitly called the "New Majin Buu".

Well, duh. He's got their memories, and there is definitely some influence from Nail and Kami. Just not enough to make him a different person.

Having a plan does not imply a significant personality change. It means he benefited from the fusion.

Lets look at these other timeskips. The first one is him planning how he's gonna kill Goku. The second is him training nonstop for the threat that he's been told will kill him. The 7 year timeskip is the only one where they are at peace, not to mention it's almost as long as the other two put together.

He doesn't act more like Kami, at least not until the Buu Arc. Which is after 7 years of having a chance to mellow out.

I don't care what Buu is called. He's made up of the exact same parts as Fat Buu, only in different "portions." Just like Kamiccolo. Kamiccolo is Piccolo with a bit of Kami thrown in, his whole "Nameless Namek" phase lasts for what, 2 chapters? And then it's back to being Piccolo. He doesn't act much different, he has all the experience of Piccolo, Piccolo is the base of these fusions, etc. This isn't like Gotenks or Vegetto, where the two halves are equal.

But you just said his personality didn't change. Nail said the only thing that would change is strength. These are obviously wrong. So why can't he be considered a different person?

Right, he benefited by having his personality changed to be better at coming with plans. He credits Kami for it.

I don't see the difference between the android training jump and the Cell to Buu jump, really. Also, you forgot the two years he was on Earth after Namek exploded.

We see so little of him until the Buu arc after his fusion, so I don't think you can really say that. Certainly, we see some Piccolo (immediately fucking up Kami's plan so he could brag about how great he is, fighting the androids when he knew it would lead Cell to them... generally any time he acts like an arrogant and pretentious dullard), but overall we don't see much. Until the Buu arc, where he acts a lot like Kami (respects the godly hierarchy, has a fondness for his temple, better at making plans, generally less hotheaded and more reserved, etc.).

You were comparing Buu's fusion to Piccolo's. I was just pointing out that in both cases the fusion is explicitly identified as a different person from the products, and the names are just used as a convenience for the characters. I mean, didn't the Nameless Namek explicitly say "I'm not Piccolo"?