Drinking Hateorade on Lord Slug...?

Drunken Master · Post by **Drunken Master** » Wed Sep 20, 2006 9:23 pm

Why does everyone hate his movie? Let's go over some things here...

1. The whole concept of this movie is based on the King Piccolo arc. The King Piccolo arc = awesome. Thus simple math states that the movie should be awesome...more reasons? Look below.
2. Lord Slug is a pissed of evil Namekian. (Gotta love Namekians)
3. His henchmen are gay, which comes in handy when Piccolo and Goku kill them violently. Silly orange demon guy gets his arm broken, then Piccolo acts like he's going to help him up, but then blows him away point blank in his face! Ouch. Goku deflects the really gay henchmen's mouth blast...back into his mouth, killing him instantly WHILE he breaks Medamatcha's back in half. (Don't as me why I remember that guy) My point? Violence is cool.
4. Slug has a cool scar. That's it.
5. Slug gets big, and has an awesome fight with Goku. It's like Goku vs Godzilla, and we all love Godzilla.
6. You get to here Gohan's awesome whistling. Okay, I'll take that one away.
7. Hey, Yajirobe is in it!
8. Goku's almost-SSj powerup is pretty cool, and again with the arm breaking.
9. You can be Lord Slug in Sparking Neo! You can transform into a giant Namekian and blow shit to hell, ain't it cool?
10. Slug sounds like Ginyu, so I'm guessing they share same VA...In anycase, we need more Ginyu voice.
11. We have the comfort of knowing if a Texas-sized comet comes crashing to Earth, that Goku and Krillin can deflect in with a kamehameha.
12. We now understand that the Namekian's ultimate weakness is the intro of the Andy Griffith Show.

Really, my point is this...There's worse out there, yet I always read people bad-mouthing Slug.

SatoSky · Post by **SatoSky** » Wed Sep 20, 2006 9:55 pm

The only good thing about the Slug movie is that it looks very pretty when it's from the Dragon Box.

Other than that, I can't really think of anything good to say about the movie.

future_trunks · Post by **future_trunks** » Wed Sep 20, 2006 9:59 pm

SatoSky wrote:The only good thing about the Slug movie is that it looks very pretty when it's from the Dragon Box. Other than that, I can't really think of anything good to say about the movie.

I agree, there just seems to be something about that movie that loses my interest.

BlueSky · Post by **Kaboom** » Wed Sep 20, 2006 10:02 pm

Drunken Master wrote:Why does everyone hate his movie? Let's go over some things here...

<snip things 1 through 11>

Really, my point is this...There's worse out there, yet I always read people bad-mouthing Slug.

Finally, someone else who believes this movie is half-decent!

And I agree; so what if it's the Piccolo Jr saga rehashed? If it was such a good story, shouldn't it be kinda fun to see it revisited? And also, I agree; there were a bunch of cool moments in there, such as 'Giji SSj,' and the 'creative' pwnzing of various henchmen is always cool.

Oh, and Yajirobe was in it, and Chi-chi actually fought. Doesn't get much Sw33ter than seeing the minor characters get some love.

Rocketman · Post by **Rocketman** » Wed Sep 20, 2006 10:29 pm

It was Movie 3 rehashed. On its own, it's meh. But since it was a near-perfect copy of Movie 3 and King Piccolo, it sucked, except for False Super Saiyan.

Now, if Goku had gone FSSJ in Movie 3 and killed Tullece with it, that would be awesome.

Maphisto86 · Post by **Maphisto86** » Wed Sep 20, 2006 11:03 pm

I didn't mind Movie 3... though it seems the films featuring Tullece, Slug and Coola are reiterations of the Saiyan, Piccolo Daimaou/Jr, and the Freeza saga's. That is why they are not liked as much. I liked Movie 3 and Movie 5 but the appearance of Lord Slug didn't seem to make much sense. He was Piccolo Daimaou's actual reincarnation.

Seriously though to each his own... Slug was designed by Toryiama and he had potential but he didn't add anything new that we haven't seen before.

Snail · Post by **Snail** » Wed Sep 20, 2006 11:04 pm

I actually thought movie 4 was a blast the first time I watched it. I was only exposed to FUNimation's version, and well..along with the few badass scenes Drunken Master had described, it also helped to steer my musical taste off to a whole new level.

The music that went along with each scene was done very well, of course I know that MANY of you will disagree, but yes, I thought FUNimation's version of Movie 4 blew my mind, the music made it more, well, intense.

Don't get me wrong though, I love the japanese version just as much, but the first time I was exposed to the movie, it was an amazing experience =P

On a side note, I think that Movie 4 made a bigger impact on me, than opposed to, movie 12. But that is just because I had high expectations from it. And come on guys, Movie 4 is much better than Movie 11...that film was just, ick.

The Chibi Kiriyama · Post by **The Chibi Kiriyama** » Thu Sep 21, 2006 12:22 am

Drunken Master wrote:Why does everyone hate his movie? Let's go over some things here...

1. The whole concept of this movie is based on the King Piccolo arc. The King Piccolo arc = awesome. Thus simple math states that the movie should be awesome...more reasons? Look below.
2. Lord Slug is a pissed of evil Namekian. (Gotta love Namekians)
3. His henchmen are gay, which comes in handy when Piccolo and Goku kill them violently. Silly orange demon guy gets his arm broken, then Piccolo acts like he's going to help him up, but then blows him away point blank in his face! Ouch. Goku deflects the really gay henchmen's mouth blast...back into his mouth, killing him instantly WHILE he breaks Medamatcha's back in half. (Don't as me why I remember that guy) My point? Violence is cool.
3. Slug has a cool scar. That's it.
4. Slug gets big, and has an awesome fight with Goku. It's like Goku vs Godzilla, and we all love Godzilla.
5. You get to here Gohan's awesome whistling. Okay, I'll take that one away.
6. Hey, Yajirobe is in it!
7. Goku's almost-SSj powerup is pretty cool, and again with the arm breaking.
8. You can be Lord Slug in Sparking Neo! You can transform into a giant Namekian and blow shit to hell, ain't it cool?
9. Slug sounds like Ginyu, so I'm guessing they share same VA...In anycase, we need more Ginyu voice.
10. We have the comfort of knowing if a Texas-sized comet comes crashing to Earth, that Goku and Krillin can deflect in with a kamehameha.
11. We now understand that the Namekian's ultimate weakness is the intro of the Eddie Griffith Show.

Really, my point is this...There's worse out there, yet I always read people bad-mouthing Slug.

If I'm drinking Haterade by hating on Movie 4 I need a few more gulps. The movie had a see-through plot that can't even compete with Movie 8 much less the Piccolo Daimao arc of Dragon Ball. We've seen evil Namekians, and finding out Super Nameks were basically stronger versions of the giant Piccolo added no depth to Slug. The regeneration was not the only tipoff of this film- I mean, there's the small part about him being green and having Piccolo's facial features. What a concealed secret. Bardock had a scar too, and he is definitely more fondly remembered than Slug. As for the Gojira remark, you're right. Sad to say Goku didn't have an Oxygen Destroyer on him, or the common sense not to drop out of 'Super Saiyan' (intentionally left in question) in surprise. The SS powerup Toei fumbled on, while awesome, is way too brief; take out most of the stupid plot about how the Earth is going to get really, really cold and maybe they would have had more room for that one sequence (which is possibly the single redeeming aspect of the film). Goku and Krillin didn't even really deflect the comet so much as slightly phase it.

My point is that most of the bad-mouthing of this film is from A) Toei putting out their own version of the SS transformation only to get trumped, B) Slug and his "devious scheme" being as lame as it could get, and C) the generally boring drudgery of both the fighting sequences and the 'finishing touch'.

Drunken Master · Post by **Drunken Master** » Thu Sep 21, 2006 1:05 am

As for the American music, I liked it. Drowning Pool, Disturbed and Finger Eleven are good bands.

...Drowning Pool with the original leadman was good, Disturbed was cool back when it came out and well, Finger Eleven quite frankly rocks.

I'm not saying the movie was top-tier, just not as bad as everyone claims it to be. There's stupid and lame scenes in every movie. Like Goku thinking Cooler was Freeza. They look NOTHING alike Son Goku. Broly hating Goku because he cried next to him? Slug had much more plot than that.

Snail · Post by **Snail** » Thu Sep 21, 2006 1:52 am

Indeed those are good bands, it's godamn unfortunate that Drowning Pool had to find a new vocalist after their first one suddenly passed away.

Finger Eleven is awesome too, disturbed needs to bring a little something new. They're getting a little repititious.

As for your comment on the Broly movie, I truly believe that it is much more deeper than just because he held a grudge at Goku because he kept him from enjoying his nap.

Xyex · Post by **Xyex** » Thu Sep 21, 2006 2:23 am

I liked movie 4. So much so that I made slug the primary villain of a fanfic of mine where I expanded on his background.

Broly hating Goku because he cried next to him?

Why is it that everyone ignores the fact that he was nearly killed, barely survived the destruction of his entire planet (as an infant) while still on it, and was just generally psychotic? It has nothing to do with Goku's crying. The crying is just something that he subconciously remembers and that reminds him of that little slice of hell which only further his psychosis (which is what creates the Goku fixation too). Broly's actualy the deepest villain in DBZ, canon or otherwise.

Jerseymilk · Post by **Jerseymilk** » Thu Sep 21, 2006 2:59 am

I like Movie 4. Of course I'm a huge Gohan and Piccolo fan and the movie features a lot of them so it's not suprising really. Though I never get why people say that the part about using whistling to weaken him was lame. I thought it was a unique idea. At least it wasn't the same method that's used a thousand times in the movies where everyone, half dead gives Goku their remaining energy and then passes out right after they say something either inspiring or defeatist. As far as I'm concerned, it's a better movie than 10 and 11, but I'm figuring that people who are Chibi Trunks and Goten fans, really like those for the same reasons. So....to each their own I say.

Duo · Post by **Duo** » Thu Sep 21, 2006 3:43 am

Drunken Master wrote:11. We now understand that the Namekian's ultimate weakness is the intro of the Eddie Griffith Show.

It's "Andy" not "Eddie".

I disagree with people in general on the "it ripped off another story arc" because almost every movie has a number of mirrors to the main series or other movies.

Heck, Garlic Jr. was the first "rip off" of Piccolo if anyones counting. He was just a midget sized cross of the 2 Piccolo's. He also had a gigantic transformation (it just didn't seem as big because he started oh so small).

But Deadzone still kicks tail, and Movie 4 has plenty of good moments...but I find myself much more likely to watch Movie 5, or 9, or 12, or DB Movie 3, or Path to Power...I think I get my point across.

I'd take movie 4 over movie 8 any day of the week, month, or year.

Jerseymilk · Post by **Jerseymilk** » Thu Sep 21, 2006 4:42 am

Drunken Master wrote:11. We now understand that the Namekian's ultimate weakness is the intro of the Eddie Griffith Show.

Actually, it's not a Namek's "ultimate weakness". Yes whistling is painful to a Namek, but the reason it had such a huge effect on Slug was because of his size. His ears were ten times bigger at that point than a normal Namek's, hence his hearing would be ten times more sensitive. People don't take that into consideration when they criticize it.

Kristiann · Post by **Kristiann** » Thu Sep 21, 2006 7:14 am

Duo wrote:Heck, Garlic Jr. was the first "rip off" of Piccolo if anyones counting. He was just a midget sized cross of the 2 Piccolo's. He also had a gigantic transformation (it just didn't seem as big because he started oh so small).

I thought Garlic Jr. was a rehash of the Raditz arc, because Gohan gets kidnapped again and ends up helping to destroy the bad guy.

I don't think I dislike any of the movies except 8 (sorry Broli fans...) because that one was so hyped for me (heard a lot from fanboys) but when I finally saw it, I almost fell asleep...ahehehehe... x_x;;

But I believe each movie has its own shining moments. Like Jerseymilk, I'd watch Movie 4 for Gohan and Piccolo. (And I watch Movie 11 to see some ass-kicking from #18.

)

GI_Judd2287 · Post by **GI_Judd2287** » Thu Sep 21, 2006 8:30 am

Well, the action scenes were good, I'll give it that. The artwork and animation are a significant improvement of movie 3. Other than these two points, I don't like it too much. It really is way too much of a rehash. But I still think it's better than movie 11.

Also, I laugh at Piccolo's line everytime in the dub: "Don't EVER... DO that AGAIN!!!"

Panda · Post by **Panda** » Thu Sep 21, 2006 9:45 am

*raises paw*

I dig this movie. Of course I've never seen a lick of Dragonball past the 1st on-screen Budokai

Mr.Piccolo · Post by **Mr.Piccolo** » Thu Sep 21, 2006 12:10 pm

To the people that bash this movie (this means you Vegetto EX..!):

All of this has been said already. Yes this movie is a copy of the piccolo arc, yes gt wasn't as good as expected, yes Piccolo is the strongest character in the entire series. This is all understood by everyone in/on(?) the board. There are movies I don't mind but I'm that much of a fan to still make room to enjoy it. We can all sit around here saying what we don't like from the series and its movies, but all it would do is make us like it even less. Enjoy what's out there because it's ten times better than any AF crap that would come out.

veshira · Post by **veshira** » Thu Sep 21, 2006 12:32 pm

I personally love Movie 4, because the fights take place in the city and, if not at night, then in the dark! (Some different setting! Good!) Piccolo's fight with the orange guy is awesome; he's so badass! I love it! Also, Goku's fight with those other guys is pretty cool, too, and his Fake Super Saiyajin transformation/10x golden power up his pretty cool. (I actually wasn't expecting that, since at the time I was watching the dub and I was pure dubbie - I thought it was so cool!) Then, Piccolo giving Goku the Super Namek power up was pretty awesome, too. And it was sunny, and happy, and Kamesen'nin wakes up from his nap and things are back to normal.

Drunken Master wrote:10. We have the comfort of knowing if a Texas-sized comet comes crashing to Earth, that Goku and Krillin can deflect in with a kamehameha.

No, they can't.

Drunken Master wrote:11. We now understand that the Namekian's ultimate weakness is the intro of the Eddie Griffith Show.

And we also have an image song of Gohan whistling, which has a sequel song where Piccolo is whistled to, goes crazy, and rants about how he loves chickens.

You have two #3's.

Mr. Piccolo wrote:yes Piccolo is the strongest character in the entire series.

Wha? Not at the time: for Movie 4 or GT... Huh?

Drunken Master · Post by **Drunken Master** » Thu Sep 21, 2006 3:40 pm

Eww, just noticed the two number 3s and the Eddie thing. Changed! I made this post in a fever induced state last night.

Jerseymilk, I didn't mean for anyone to take my whistling comment so literally, it was just a joke.

Overall, the Slug movie to me is pretty decent. I like it better then movies 2, 10, 11, and 12. Janemba was cool and all, but that movie seriously lacked something in my opinion.

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