Do the new movies mess with the original ending?

[Rukura]

This came about from me thinking of how Toei and Toriyama seem to be exhausting the 5 year time-skip between the defeat of Boo and the 28th Tournament.

While not a movie, we had the Jump Super Anime Tour Special, Battle of Gods and it seems the new movie will come shortly after. I feel like, at some point, they'll have to animate a new ending where Bulma calls Goku a bad friend for not seeing them for the past 2 weeks.

We already have Dende's massive height inconsistency and Goten and Trunks that'll have to grow a lot all of a sudden, at some point. And (assuming you want to consider the movies part of the story) now we're supposed to accept Uub being able to give Goku, who is now able to somewhat take on a God of Destruction that could blink Boo out of existence, a run for his money.

Does anyone else feel like they're trying to cram too many separate events (even though we had a 48 hour arc in the manga) into a considerably small window? Couldn't they also be doing this after the end of Z, even if they don't want to step on GT's toes? Should this topic be in the In-Universe section?

[Doctor.]

I don't think that's going to be needed because I don't believe Mr. Toriyama will ever go past the 28th Tenkaichi Budokai, as he implied in one of his interviews. And I don't think there's going to be such a huge number of movies, they can't cram them in 5 years. Possibly 2 or 3 more after this new one if we're lucky.

[TheDevilsCorpse]

They do, kinda. I don't really mind though. The manga itself has plotholes that cause varying levels of problems. Squeezing in some movies that end up requiring a retcon of Bluma's statement about not having seen Goku in half a decade isn't any worse to me than Trunks telling us the wrong numbers for the robits or something like that.

As for the Uub issue, they aren't done releasing new ones yet. Goku could still lose the god power in a future film or something, rendering Uub a challenge again. I have nothing more to say on that matter for the time being.

BTW though, it's a 10 year skip from Buu to Uub: AGE 774 to 784. JSAT in 776 and BOG in 778. AGE 779 was the last time Bluma said she saw Goku according to the manga.

[sintzu]

In terms of the time as far as i know it's not stated in the movie when it takes place so for all we know it could be the next day after the Tarble problem.

In terms of Ubb there's no way Goku was fighting at his best so however strong Goku gets it won't contradict the fight.

In terms of the amount of movies we get in the future you have to keep in mind that the new movie at it's worst will make as much as BOG which is more then enough for them to go above 3-4 movies.

Regardless of what little problems the new movies have at the end of the day we're getting a continuation to DBZ by Toriyama so i think we can look past them.

[Rukura]

I don't think that's going to be needed because I don't believe Mr. Toriyama will ever go past the 28th Tenkaichi Budokai, as he implied in one of his interviews. And I don't think there's going to be such a huge number of movies, they can't cram them in 5 years. Possibly 2 or 3 more after this new one if we're lucky.

Toriyama has said a lot of things that he's gone back on, so I wouldn't put it past him And considering how much money Battle of Gods made, we really have no way to tell one way or the other.

They do, kinda. I don't really mind though. The manga itself has plotholes that cause varying levels of problems. Squeezing in some movies that end up requiring a retcon of Bluma's statement about not having seen Goku in half a decade isn't any worse to me than Trunks telling us the wrong numbers for the robits or something like that.

Yeah, I can see that perspective. I've been enjoying the new stuff, even Episode of Bardock and DB Minus, so I'm not really complaining about this first world problem of having more new Dragon Ball to watch. But I would think that they'd be looking out for that stuff when saying that it's all supposed to fit in the same timeline.

As for the Uub issue, they aren't done releasing new ones yet. Goku could still lose the god power in a future film or something, rendering Uub a challenge again. I have nothing more to say on that matter for the time being.

The trend is all ways to go above and beyond, so I kinda see that getting even more jarring with time

BTW though, it's a 10 year skip from Buu to Uub: AGE 774 to 784. JSAT in 776 and BOG in 778. AGE 779 was the last time Bluma said she saw Goku according to the manga.

Oh, cool, thanks. So, considering they always use the Dragon Balls, 779 is the last time they can do that without messing with that statement. Well, they can always use the Namekian Dragon Balls.

at the end of the day we're getting a continuation to DBZ by Toriyama so i think we can look past them.

That's also where I'm at, it just seemed like an interesting thing to explore.

[Marco Polo]

They definitely do. I don't understand Toriyama's reasoning that the characters are too old after the timeskip.

Goku, Vegeta and Gohan look exactly the same as they did aside from costume change; how are they too old? Trunks is even younger than Androids Saga Future Trunks; how is he too old? Goten is the age Gohan was during the Great Saiyaman Saga and can just replace his former role as the new high-schooler with superhuman power.

Is it only because of the lack of "mischievous kid" characters like Kid Goten and Kid Trunks? Pan and Uub could easily fill those roles. Trunks was always the brash one and Goten the tamer one; Pan can be the brash one as a small reference to GT and Uub is obviously tame unless angered.

Seriously Pan and Uub have so much potential. Toriyama wrote brash female characters such as young Bulma, young Chi-Chi, Launch, Videl etc. I don't believe for a second that he couldn't write a decent Pan.

[Super SaiyaJon]

...Mr. Toriyama will ever go past the 28th Tenkaichi Budokai, as he implied in one of his interviews.

This is probably the case. Not really that surprising.

If he really wanted to change the ending he could do it. He could just label the original ending as an "alternate ending" if he felt it necessary, or just outright ignore it. He could lessen the time gap to three years or so if he still wanted young Goten and Trunks. Of course, that would mess up the whole Uub thing. Who knows. This is Akira Toriyama we are talking about.The only predictable thing he does is be unpredictable.

But in all seriousness I highly doubt he would ever actually do any of that.

[Low Tone G]

I really think they do! The last chance for Toriyama to not mess with the ending, to place the new movie only 1 year after the events of BOG, like TheDevilsCorpse said, the last meeting date was in AGE 779. Goku didn't seem to have the fight that easy with Uub, yet having God Ki(however Uub was unable to cause a single damage). There are two options:
-Goku has lost God Ki.
-He was heavily suppressed.

Even if Goku was suppressed, then I do not see why was he so excited to meet Uub, even if he was Pure Buu's reincarnation. Uub would never be able to compete the God Ki, which Goku used to possess(or he still does). Can he have any confidence in Uub to able to replace him in the future?

[sintzu]

But in all seriousness I highly doubt he would ever actually do any of that.

Him coming back to the series a few years ago was a lot bigger of a doubt then what you said.

[Super SaiyaJon]

Even if Goku was suppressed, then I do not see why was he so excited to meet Uub, even if he was Pure Buu reincarnation. Uub would never be able to compete the God Ki, which Goku used to possess(or he still does). Can he have any confidence in Uub to able to replace him in the future?

That's like asking if he has any confidence in Gohan to replace him in the future. Also Goku sees a lot of potential in Uub after seeing how well he fights even with no training. Uub is one of the most underestimated characters IMO.

But in all seriousness I highly doubt he would ever actually do any of that.

Him coming back to the series a few years ago was a lot bigger of a doubt then what you said.

True, very true. But to be fair, him coming back to the series didn't require massively changing a part of the story that has been accepted for 10+ years.

[sintzu]

True, very true. But to be fair, him coming back to the series didn't require massively changing a part of the story that has been accepted for 10+ years.

I wouldn't call it a massive change cause it's only 2 chapters so him changing or ignoring it won't affect anything.

What's massive is wanting a new arc after Frieza or Cell that replaces what came after or wanting him to replace the original Db with something more Z like.

Another massive change is what Dc does which is getting rid of years worth of history one minute and bringing it back the next.

[Rukura]

Seriously Pan and Uub have so much potential. Toriyama wrote brash female characters such as young Bulma, young Chi-Chi, Launch, Videl etc. I don't believe for a second that he couldn't write a decent Pan.

This for sure. I could totally see them having a dynamic similar to Goku and Kuririn's, with Pan being mix of Goku and Arale with Uub playing a more humble straight man. Hell, that could've been a spin-off waiting to happen. I could see Uub getting in trouble while babysitting Pan in a future DB movie

Even if Goku was suppressed, then I do not see why was he so excited to meet Uub, even if he was Pure Buu's reincarnation. Uub would never be able to compete the God Ki, which Goku used to possess(or he still does). Can he have any confidence in Uub to able to replace him in the future?

Well, the point was that he saw in him the potential to be much stronger than him in the future, which would still be a possibility, as far as we know. Then again, if you think about it, it kinda lines with the episode 1 of GT, where Uub's as strong as Goku's base form and ends up taking the backseat for the whole series.

[Babbu]

I sorta got the vibe that it ended where it ended because at the time Toriyama was just done with it, but looking back now if he had it over to do again there would be a different ending.

[Shinsa]

Hmm thats a good question...

I really havent thought about it nor do I really worry about it. DB has so much goofy writing that I just accept it for what it is even though it can be really mediocre. I also dont know or accept "yo son goku and friends return" to be canon. Even though I thought BoG sucked I still enjoyed and like it for being what it is, besides DBZ is back in movie format. Thats good enough for me!

[RandomGuy96]

Yes, but they can be safely ignored.

[goku the krump dancer]

This came about from me thinking of how Toei and Toriyama seem to be exhausting the 5 year time-skip between the defeat of Boo and the 28th Tournament.

While not a movie, we had the Jump Super Anime Tour Special, Battle of Gods and it seems the new movie will come shortly after. I feel like, at some point, they'll have to animate a new ending where Bulma calls Goku a bad friend for not seeing them for the past 2 weeks.

We already have Dende's massive height inconsistency and Goten and Trunks that'll have to grow a lot all of a sudden, at some point. And (assuming you want to consider the movies part of the story) now we're supposed to accept Uub being able to give Goku, who is now able to somewhat take on a God of Destruction that could blink Boo out of existence, a run for his money.

Does anyone else feel like they're trying to cram too many separate events (even though we had a 48 hour arc in the manga) into a considerably small window? Couldn't they also be doing this after the end of Z, even if they don't want to step on GT's toes? Should this topic be in the In-Universe section?

Whenever I see this type of question I feel like the biggest concern is the whole Uub situation. And I think that comes from people assuming that Uub himself is only limited to Kid Boo's level of strength because he's his reincarnation. People have to remember that when we first see Piccolo Jr fight he was already a lot stronger than his dad/former self. So maybe Goku was expecting a similar case with Uub which would explain why he was kinda surprised that the poor kid couldn't even fly let alone control his power.

As the for the Goten and Trunks thing, I feel like they have the same growth patterns as Goku. Remember during the Daimoah arc Goku was 15 still looking like a 10 year old and we didn't see him as an "adult" until he was 18. Battle of God's takes place 5 years after the Boo arc which would make Goten and Trunks 12 and 13 respectively thats around the same age Goku was at the beginning of the series and we all know how tiny he was. So Goten and Trunks still looking like 8 year olds even though they're in their early teens falls right in line with Goku. They probably won't hit their true growth spurt until they're at least about 17, which is just a year younger from when we seen grown up Goku and right on the money of when we see grown up/teenage Gohan, who seems to have grew up at a pretty normal pace.

[Low Tone G]

Even if Goku was suppressed, then I do not see why was he so excited to meet Uub, even if he was Pure Buu reincarnation. Uub would never be able to compete the God Ki, which Goku used to possess(or he still does). Can he have any confidence in Uub to able to replace him in the future?

That's like asking if he has any confidence in Gohan to replace him in the future. Also Goku sees a lot of potential in Uub after seeing how well he fights even with no training. Uub is one of the most underestimated characters IMO.

But Uub could not go further Super Vegetto's power at most(I personally do not think he can get stronger than Mystic Gohan), yet the trend in DB is that foes will appear who are more powerful than the ealier ones were. In that way Uub would never be able handle foes like Beerus, or even higher. After having BOG it's highly possible that other foes will outclass the Majin Buu level, even if Beerus isn't a threat is he doesn't want to destroy the Earth, beings from other universes still might come.

I personally think that the BOG movie really messes with the original ending, even if Goku has lost his powers to that point. What would stop Goku or Vegeta to become Gods once again if the situations asks for it? Literally nothing!

[Rukura]

I think that comes from people assuming that Uub himself is only limited to Kid Boo's level of strength because he's his reincarnation.

Maybe, but that's not the point I was making nor I think that would be the case. Like I said in my last post, I get that the point of Uub is that Goku saw the potential in him and was gonna train him to be incredibly strong. That much is obvious. And I'm not even thinking about how strong he would become in the future, though I can't deny how underwhelming Uub feels after watching GT.

My point was this: Uub, in the 28th Tournament, isn't nearly as strong as pure Boo. He begins to tap into that potential against Goku, but he's just not, there's no way. But, after Battle of Gods, Goku can now somewhat keep up with someone that can sneeze Boo off the planet, which can kinda change how one sees Uub giving Goku a good fight. Sure Goku wasn't serious, even being in base form, but it still kinda changes things. (And we see that he never really stops training either, even forcing Goten to do the same)
It's a Shonen. The opponents will get tougher and the heroes will need to follow suit, which can make that fight all the more jarring on some level.

[BlackCatScott]

Battle of Gods doesn't. This may be more of an issue in the future though if they make a few more films, which I hope they do!

If they plan to do more in future maybe it would be a good idea if they do the 2015 film and then perhaps include Uub in and work a way around the original ending in Z. (thus wiping out GTs existence entirely!)

I wouldn't worry about it though. It's DBZ after all, and the films have never made much sense alongside the actual series.

[Rukura]

(thus wiping out GTs existence entirely!)

They're more likely to remake the series than doing that. It'll always be a thing that they acknowledge, even if just to make more merchandise to sell. (I was gonna say "and for videogame content", but that's only really true for Heroes nowadays)