Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

[miguelnuva1]

Who said SSJ3 can only be unlocked through training? Goku unlocked SSJ1 through intense rage, yet Vegeta unlocked it through training. Why couldn't it go the other way around for SSJ3?

SSJ forms are natural aspects of Saiyans, they're not techniques like Kaio Ken that someone had to invent.

Vegeta got pissed at himself that was the rage.

[xJeffx]

I hope it's a rage boost and not him turning ssj3.
And has anyone notice how ssj3 was being used in this comic. Vegetto uses it for his final dragon flash and Goku used it to create a large barrier. Gotenks tries to have a battle with himself in that form but end up reverting back to normal then defusing. Vegetto then explains that ssj3 uses up too much energy, which give me the impression that ssj3 isn't used for lengthy fights but for quick short fights.

[KentalSSJ6]

I hope it's a rage boost and not him turning ssj3.
And has anyone notice how ssj3 was being used in this comic. Vegetto uses it for his final dragon flash and Goku used it to create a large barrier. Gotenks tries to have a battle with himself in that form but end up reverting back to normal then defusing. Vegetto then explains that ssj3 uses up too much energy, which give me the impression that ssj3 isn't used for lengthy fights but for quick short fights.

He is going SSJ3. Otherwise there would be no reason to show SSJ3 Goku, Gotenks, and Vegetto in the corner panel.

[FoolsGil]

Who said SSJ3 can only be unlocked through training? Goku unlocked SSJ1 through intense rage, yet Vegeta unlocked it through training. Why couldn't it go the other way around for SSJ3?

SSJ forms are natural aspects of Saiyans, they're not techniques like Kaio Ken that someone had to invent.

Even though Ascended Saiyan and FPSSJ was only achieved by training, and SSJ2 was an intense emotional trigger after mastering SSJ1...If it was natural, then all Saiyans would have access to all forms, with absolutely no trial and error.

[rereboy]

This is gonna be BS, isn't it?

Most likely. SSJ3 requires a tranquil and calm heart if I remember right. Vegeta looks anything but that.

Nothing is stated regarding how to become SSJ3 in the manga and as we all know DBM ignores the guides and such. In the manga, Goku doesn't clarify it and Gotenks apparently just manages to do it after seeing it with a bit of training and perhaps some rage on Goten's part (due to Chichi having been killed).

Seriously... how is he going to magically get SSJ3? What reasonable explanation could there be for that? -_-

Goku got SSJ1 by getting mad.

Vegeta got SSJ1 by getting mad (frustrated at himself and at Goku).

Gohan got SSJ1 by training and SSJ2 by getting mad.

Goku got SSJ2 and SSJ3 by training.

Vegeta got SSJ2 by training.

Future Trunks got SSJ1 by getting mad.

Goten and Trunks got SSJ1 naturally, just by sparing.

Gotenks got SSJ3 by training a bit (and perhaps some rage on Goten's part).

In conclusion? There seems to be only two possible trigger factors to reach a SSJ state in the manga: training and/or rage. Vegeta seems to be raging in this latest page. If he becomes SSj3 because of it, its consistent with one of the two possible trigger factors suggested to achieve a SSJ state in the manga. And If he does transform, that also probably means that his power as a SSJ2 was already high-end and he only needed the knowledge of SSJ3's existence and rage to push himself into it.

Even though Ascended Saiyan and FPSSJ was only achieved by training, and SSJ2 was an intense emotional trigger after mastering SSJ1...If it was natural, then all Saiyans would have access to all forms, with absolutely no trial and error.

I don't think that's true. Just like a Saiyan in his base form will not transform into a SSJ no matter how much he rages if he is not strong enough in his base, that or something similar should also be true for the other forms.

The only possible confusion regarding this is Gotenks since he appears to skip SSj2, but he's a fusion so I'm not sure how normal he can be considered. Also, there are many that suggest that be became SSj2 in one or two panels before going immediately to SSJ3, which would make everything consistent and he would have reached both those states in his training.

[SilverArmada]

And If he does transform, that also probably means that his power as a SSJ2 was already high-end and he only needed the knowledge of SSJ3's existence and rage to push himself into it.

That's the problem - HOW is this Vegeta so powerful? He didn't have a gravity room to train in, which we have seen through the series has been primarily responsible for the huge gains that some of the characters have had. Even giving him SSJ2 is a stretch in my opinion, and now he's powerful enough to each SSJ3? This is ridiculous.

[Marco Polo]

The universe is bigger than Bulma's brain. I'm sure Vegeta could find someone to build him a gravity room somewhere on some planet. Hell, I'm sure the gravity of some planets is naturally even heavier than what Bulma's machine could generate.

[rereboy]

That's the problem - HOW is this Vegeta so powerful? He didn't have a gravity room to train in, which we have seen through the series has been primarily responsible for the huge gains that some of the characters have had. Even giving him SSJ2 is a stretch in my opinion, and now he's powerful enough to each SSJ3? This is ridiculous.

You basically have no idea what happened in his universe, so you have no idea if he had a gravity room or not or what he had to do. Vegeta in the main universe got to be that powerful due to the circumstances, so I fail to see how its ridiculous for this Vegeta to be this powerful if all it takes for him to be this powerful is for another set of circumstances that allow it to happen in his universe.

[SilverArmada]

That's the problem - HOW is this Vegeta so powerful? He didn't have a gravity room to train in, which we have seen through the series has been primarily responsible for the huge gains that some of the characters have had. Even giving him SSJ2 is a stretch in my opinion, and now he's powerful enough to each SSJ3? This is ridiculous.

You basically have no idea what happened in his universe, so you have no idea if he had a gravity room or not or what he had to do. Vegeta in the main universe got to be that powerful due to the circumstances, so I fail to see how its ridiculous for this Vegeta to be this powerful if all it takes for him to be this powerful is for another set of circumstances that allow it to happen in his universe.

You're right - I don't know what happened in that universe. But I'm not willing to buy anything the author(s) decide to do with it without some reasonable explanation. If they don't want to explain it, fine - then it's really poor storytelling.

[rereboy]

No one said that you should accept any unreasonable explanation for it... I merely pointed out that it doesn't make sense to criticize it without even knowing what happened... Why not give the benefit of the doubt until you actually know what their idea is or until you know that they won't explain it...?

[Tzigi]

You're right - I don't know what happened in that universe. But I'm not willing to buy anything the author(s) decide to do with it without some reasonable explanation. If they don't want to explain it, fine - then it's really poor storytelling.

Since when does DBM shy away from explaining something? I've always read people complaining that it does that too often not too rarely. Maybe Vegeta's backstory won't be in this precise chapters, but the universe 13 is slated to have many more special chapters. So there will come you explanation. Just wait for it

[SSJ God Gogeta]

People bashing the whole ssj3 Vegeta thing and say it would never happen and want an explanation .....
Do you all forget Vegito vs Broly...

[KentalSSJ6]

People bashing the whole ssj3 Vegeta thing and say it would never happen and want an explanation .....
Do you all forget Vegito vs Broly...

We try not to remember.

[SSJ God Gogeta]

People bashing the whole ssj3 Vegeta thing and say it would never happen and want an explanation .....
Do you all forget Vegito vs Broly...

We try not to remember.

yep

[TheDevilsCorpse]

I dunno, I feel like I'm one of the only ones who doesn't have problem with this. I don't really want Vegeta to win, but I don't have a problem with the transformation happening either. I have significantly less problems with it since Salagir uses a tier system. With all the characters and their forms being roughly equal to each other (barring special exceptions like fusions or children of a fusion like Bra), once you reach the point where you can access the first transformation, I'm not sure I see drastically increasing their base strength to a specific new level as a requirement for accessing the other forms in DBM. They might just need the activate the other triggers.

Super Saiyan 3 is said to require a calmer heart and is accessed via training, but nothing says that's the only method and DBM doesn't tend to follow the guidebooks anyway (heck it doesn't even follow the manga sometimes). In this case though, just because Vegeta is angry doesn't mean he's transforming out of rage. Unlike Goku and Gohan's rage transformations, he doesn't seem to just be snapping. To me, I'm going with the notion that he's using that anger to ignore the pain and focus his ki so that he can push the transformation to the surface. Most likely the same way that would be done during actual training. I'm sure "accessed via training" doesn't mean his hair grows like a Play-doh set every time they do a push-up. It's still a transformation. They would have to actually do something to activate it, even during a workout.

[SSJ God Gogeta]

I dunno, I feel like I'm one of the only ones who doesn't have problem with this. I don't really want Vegeta to win, but I don't have a problem with the transformation happening either. I have significantly less problems with it since Salagir uses a tier system. With all the characters and their forms being roughly equal to each other (barring special exceptions like fusions or children of a fusion like Bra), once you reach the point where you can access the first transformation, I'm not sure I see drastically increasing their base strength to a specific new level as a requirement for accessing the other forms in DBM. They might just need the activate the other triggers.

Super Saiyan 3 is said to require a calmer heart and is accessed via training, but nothing says that's the only method and DBM doesn't tend to follow the guidebooks anyway (heck it doesn't even follow the manga sometimes). In this case though, just because Vegeta is angry doesn't mean he's transforming out of rage. Unlike Goku and Gohan's rage transformations, he doesn't seem to just be snapping. To me, I'm going with the notion that he's using that anger to ignore the pain and focus his ki so that he can push the transformation to the surface. Most likely the same way that would be done during actual training. I'm sure "accessed via training" doesn't mean his hair grows like a Play-doh set every time they do a push-up. It's still a transformation. They would have to actually do something to activate it, even during a workout.

I agree with you 100%

[bkev]

Isn't this basically how Vegeta of Universe 8 got SSJ in the first place? Going beyond his normal limits in one context? I have no problem with this.

[rereboy]

People bashing the whole ssj3 Vegeta thing and say it would never happen and want an explanation .....
Do you all forget Vegito vs Broly...

We try not to remember.

Don't know how you got through the first pages then .

[Hellspawn28]

that's basically jumping the shark for DMB as far as I'm concerned.

DBM already jump the shark during the whole fight with SSj3 Vegito vs. Broli. DBM takes forever for the plot to go anywhere. DBM did had some cool stuff that happen later like Buu going ape shit and absorbing everyone, and Vegito vs. XXI, but all of that should have happen like in 2010 or 2011. Not last year if you ask me. It been six years after DBM started and we are still not done with the plot. We get our time wasted with pointless filler and specials that are not even good to being with. The last Gast special had amazing artwork, but the story put me to sleep. The whole fight between Gast and Cold went on forever in my opinion.

[rereboy]

New page incoming.