Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

[Kamiccolo9]

My main problem with Supersonic Warriors, is that Porunga shouln't be able to revive person, that is dead for more than one year (Rule that was mentioned several times, and never broke).

Actually, that rules only applies when its a large group of people as explained by Kami to Kaio. Its the large number involved that introduces the 1 year rule due to the dragon limits. No such limit exists when its just one person.

However, considering that we know that evil persons get cleansed and reborn, that provides a logistic problem that wasn't commented on in the series. Its probable that, if the person has already been reborn as a new person, the Dragon won't be able to revive that person as intended. Since Piccolo Daimao was reborn as Piccolo Jr (even though it was a special case/process), I don't think the Dragon would be able to revive Piccolo Daimao as intended.

The thing is, this was never stated or otherwise implied, as far as I can remember. Sure, it could be true, but for all we know, the dragon could just magically create another copy of that soul when reviving someone. As far as I'm concerned "because magic" is a perfectly valid rationalization when talking about magical wish granting dragons.

[ZombieVito]

I have zero complains about this. King Piccolo could have just force Kami to fused with him using the same fusion Piccolo and Nail did.

But Piccolo after fusing with Nail was noted to have some changes. He became much calmer than usual. Not as calm as he became when he fused with Kami, but still.

Nail said he won't change Piccolo's personality. Those changes are all Piccolo's.

[Doctor.]

I have zero complains about this. King Piccolo could have just force Kami to fused with him using the same fusion Piccolo and Nail did.

But Piccolo after fusing with Nail was noted to have some changes. He became much calmer than usual. Not as calm as he became when he fused with Kami, but still.

Nail said he won't change Piccolo's personality. Those changes are all Piccolo's.

If I recall, he just said his individuality wouldn't be changed much.

[TonyTheTiger]

Both fusions coincided with Piccolo going through some character development so it's hard to know for sure whether any personality changes can be specifically attributed to the fusions or something that would have happened regardless.

[rereboy]

My main problem with Supersonic Warriors, is that Porunga shouln't be able to revive person, that is dead for more than one year (Rule that was mentioned several times, and never broke).

Actually, that rules only applies when its a large group of people as explained by Kami to Kaio. Its the large number involved that introduces the 1 year rule due to the dragon limits. No such limit exists when its just one person.

However, considering that we know that evil persons get cleansed and reborn, that provides a logistic problem that wasn't commented on in the series. Its probable that, if the person has already been reborn as a new person, the Dragon won't be able to revive that person as intended. Since Piccolo Daimao was reborn as Piccolo Jr (even though it was a special case/process), I don't think the Dragon would be able to revive Piccolo Daimao as intended.

The thing is, this was never stated or otherwise implied, as far as I can remember. Sure, it could be true, but for all we know, the dragon could just magically create another copy of that soul when reviving someone. As far as I'm concerned "because magic" is a perfectly valid rationalization when talking about magical wish granting dragons.

That's true but it would completely different from reviving someone. The Dragon would essentially be creating another soul exactly like the one intended, not reviving the actual one, which would way more impressive than just relocating a soul and giving it its body and life. We have no idea if the dragon can do that and, somehow, that feels something that would be beyond his power. Its true that his power is magic but what he can do has always been grounded.

[Kamiccolo9]

That's true but it would completely different from reviving someone. The Dragon would essentially be creating another soul exactly like the one intended, not reviving the actual one, which would way more impressive than just relocating a soul and giving it its body and life. We have no idea if the dragon can do that and, somehow, that feels something that would be beyond his power. Its true that his power is magic but what he can do has always been grounded.

I could see that. I just think that "I feel that it would be beyond its power" can't really be used as objective proof, and that is what seems to be going on in this and that other thread. Not that you are doing so yourself, but that has been, more or less, the argument that I have been given.

[Saiga]

I feel if the dragons could create new souls / didn't need the old soul, there wouldn't have been any issue with Kuririn's post Namek revival.

[Kamiccolo9]

I feel if the dragons could create new souls / didn't need the old soul, there wouldn't have been any issue with Kuririn's post Namek revival.

As I recall, the issue there was his body, not his soul. Both moving his soul or creating a new one would have required an extra wish anyway, since his body died back on Namek.

[rereboy]

I feel if the dragons could create new souls / didn't need the old soul, there wouldn't have been any issue with Kuririn's post Namek revival.

As I recall, the issue there was his body, not his soul. Both moving his soul or creating a new one would have required an extra wish anyway, since his body died back on Namek.

I think where his soul was located was the issue because their solution was to wish for the relocation of Krillin's soul before reviving him.

[Saiga]

I feel if the dragons could create new souls / didn't need the old soul, there wouldn't have been any issue with Kuririn's post Namek revival.

As I recall, the issue there was his body, not his soul. Both moving his soul or creating a new one would have required an extra wish anyway, since his body died back on Namek.

I think where his soul was located was the issue because their solution was to wish for the relocation of Krillin's soul before reviving him.

Yeah, that's how I remember it as well.

[Kamiccolo9]

I feel if the dragons could create new souls / didn't need the old soul, there wouldn't have been any issue with Kuririn's post Namek revival.

As I recall, the issue there was his body, not his soul. Both moving his soul or creating a new one would have required an extra wish anyway, since his body died back on Namek.

I think where his soul was located was the issue because their solution was to wish for the relocation of Krillin's soul before reviving him.

That was Vegeta's solution, who is not by any means an authority on matters like this. Kaio may have had something to offer, but we don't hear from him after Vegeta's suggestion, and all he says before that is that Namek is out of his territory, so he has no power there. Porunga may have also been able to make due with a wish to revive Krillin, but didn't due to nobody ever asking him. The dragons don't seem to be especially creative when it comes to granting wishes, as shown earlier when Shenlong could have easily circumvented the "not strong enough to kill Nappa and Vegeta" thing by sending their pods into a star, or exposing them to space or something.

Yeah, that's how I remember it as well.

The issue was that regardless of the state of the soul, Krillin would have been brought back to life where he died, and would have just died again. Vegeta had the idea to move the soul to Earth, and everyone just went with that.

[rereboy]

Everybody agreed that Veget'a solution would solve the problem (including Kaio) and they used it as far as I can remember. The fact is that nobody believed that the Dragon didn't require his soul to revive him, no one believed he could just create another soul for him for example. And since Kaio and the Nameks were there, that is as much indication as possible within the manga that the Dragon can't just create another soul for someone by copying it, he actually needed to use Krillin's soul to revive him and, as such, the location of his soul posed a problem.

[Kamiccolo9]

Everybody agreed that Veget'a solution would solve the problem (including Kaio) and they used it as far as I can remember.

No, just Bulma agreed, and Gohan's short interaction with Vegeta is shown. Then it cuts to 130 days later. No one else's reaction is shown, and the only ones who for sure would know, Muuri and Porunga, are never consulted on this, as far as we know.

And it did solve the problem; I'm not denying that. I'm just saying that they didn't try anything else. I mean, for all we know, that whole little drama could have been circumvented by wishing that Krillin be revived on Earth.

[rereboy]

Everybody agreed that Veget'a solution would solve the problem (including Kaio) and they used it as far as I can remember.

No, just Bulma agreed, and Gohan's short interaction with Vegeta is shown. Then it cuts to 130 days later. No one else's reaction is shown, and the only ones who for sure would know, Muuri and Porunga, are never consulted on this, as far as we know.

And it did solve the problem; I'm not denying that. I'm just saying that they didn't try anything else. I mean, for all we know, that whole little drama could have been circumvented by wishing that Krillin be revived on Earth.

Its implied. It would be a waste of time and panel space to show every character reaction. Kaio was listening and participating in the conversation, if he had any doubts or problems regarding the idea he would have said something and it would have been shown. Same for the Nameks.

Also, they tried to get Goku's soul over to Earth. The dragon said he couldn't because Goku was still alive and he couldn't separate his soul from his body. If he could just create another soul, he could just have copied it and giving it a body, essentially copying Goku. But he didn't.

As I said, there's nothing definite, but I think the indicators tells us that it wouldn't be possible.

[DNA]

Unless they can specifically ask the dragon to "clone" someone. That would bring a whole new bouquet of issues to consider.

[TonyTheTiger]

Something really bad must have happened in U3 that convinced Kami to make a deal with the devil. Maybe Bardock made good on his promise at the end of his special chapter when after beating Freeza he said they would eventually attack Earth.

[dbzfan7]

Not sure what could possibly convince God to merge with Daimao. Daimao is still evil and would destroy the world even if another baddy threatened it or if Daimao threatened to kill everyone. Unless the merging made Daimao not so evil...which it seems it didn't.

[UltimateHammerBro]

Not sure what could possibly convince God to merge with Daimao. Daimao is still evil and would destroy the world even if another baddy threatened it or if Daimao threatened to kill everyone. Unless the merging made Daimao not so evil...which it seems it didn't.

Maybe being fused with God "corrupted the absolute evil"?

[KentalSSJ6]

Not sure what could possibly convince God to merge with Daimao. Daimao is still evil and would destroy the world even if another baddy threatened it or if Daimao threatened to kill everyone. Unless the merging made Daimao not so evil...which it seems it didn't.

Perhaps Raditz came to Earth looking for Goku, not knowing this Piccolo possibly killed him years earlier. Daimao seems to be no match for Raditz, then goes to fuse with Kami out of a mutual need to rid Earth of him before it's destroyed.

[dbzfan7]

Not sure what could possibly convince God to merge with Daimao. Daimao is still evil and would destroy the world even if another baddy threatened it or if Daimao threatened to kill everyone. Unless the merging made Daimao not so evil...which it seems it didn't.

Maybe being fused with God "corrupted the absolute evil"?

Perhaps...but he seems to be evil still without good influence shown at this moment.

Perhaps Raditz came to Earth looking for Goku, not knowing this Piccolo possibly killed him years earlier. Daimao seems to be no match for Raditz, then goes to fuse with Kami out of a mutual need to rid Earth of him before it's destroyed.

So basically kill Raditz to stop him from wiping out the people of earth so it can be auctioned off vs Piccolo Daimao who essentially planned on killing everyone eventually anyways with his lottery system....does it really matter to stop Raditz?