Unpopular DB opinions

[Attitudefan]

It's like royal blood in the real world. A social contact to an overseer, who has special attributes that make him a good leader that people would want. In this case, Freeza is genetically more powerful than the rest.

Why is the Queen of England rich or given a sense of social importance? Why does she have her face on Canadian money and why do Canadian taxes go to the Queen? She didn't conquer anything, but her family had power. By association through blood lines and the acceptance by the people for her to have importance gives her legitimacy.

Same with Freeza. Freeza is legitimate as a ruler for he had a standing army, a physical state (which he conquers), legitimacy since others accept that he is their leader etc. It's all politics. Freeza was born into power and the people, aliens, and other sentient beings see him as such.

It's not until mutiny from Vegeta nullifying Freeza' s power as an aristocrat and dictator. Goku just finished the job. Just like in real life, a dictator, no matter how important they may think they are because of blood, can be disposed. And yes, I'm looking at you, the English monarchy!


And in the topic of Vegeta, he is a classic case of a sociopath and a narcissist. He also shows signs of being bipolar since he seems to experience depression and intense anger when he is overpowered. He also kills Nappa in anger and disgust yet is content and satisfied by doing so. Yet, he also finds pleasure in hurting others and sees that all his actions can do no wrong. He also prides himself as a de facto Prince and thinks highly of his social standing. He considers himself as better than others such as Goku or the earthlings because of his blood line. He fancies himself as the best because of it. He's a complete sociopathic narcissist.

[Nikkolas]

Pan was one of my favorite things about GT. I've never understood the seething hatred so many people have for her.

[Kid Buu]

Pan's my favorite female in DB actually. Videl had potential, but she got shafted pretty fast.

[garnetjester]

I love Pan too, it's too bad that GT was so damn stupid and everyone who wasn't Goku or Vegeta was totally useless there. I also don't get the hate because people go all "waah waah she's cocky but she's not strong" yet love Vegeta or she talks too much but they never had a problem with Bulma so idek.

[ABED]

I love Pan too, it's too bad that GT was so damn stupid and everyone who wasn't Goku or Vegeta was totally useless there. I also don't get the hate because people go all "waah waah she's cocky but she's not strong" yet love Vegeta or she talks too much but they never had a problem with Bulma so idek.

Giru proved useful, and I'll go on the record as saying I think he's funny and enjoyed the character.

[Eire]

I personally didn't like the fact that Pan was more childish than people of her family around that age. Her grandpa was independent at age of 12, her father saved the world as a teenager, even her mother was fighting crime Pan... nearly sabotaged world-saving mission, because she wanted to have an adventure. All my hate to that cliche. And she liked that stupid robot. And did nothing remarkable, like the rest of the cast. As a preteen girl I wanted to root for female who turns to be a heir of the tradition, not some kind of load, who didn't even archive SSJ (sob!). I hope that they will fix it. And please, somebody tell Author that "mushroom-cut" hairstyle is awful.

Videl had potential, but she got shafted pretty fast.

Yes, I was very sad to see that she turned to be (gasp!) housewife. You know, one of the strongest females in the series, who had nice ki control throw everything out of the window to be a wife and mother of one, perfectly healthy child. What an interesting career, indeed, nothing like fighting crime and-I don't know-doing anything. But it seems that the only way to escape housewife transformation is to be a bitch from the very beginning.

[rereboy]

I never saw Videl as anything really remarkable power wise. Goku in the first few chapters did things more impressive than she ever did, and her Ki control stops at just being able to fly. I see her as 21st tournament material power wise, with no chance to win that tournament. 23rd tournament Chichi would destroy her. And #18 is a god compared to her power wise.

[RandomGuy96]

Yes, I was very sad to see that she turned to be (gasp!) housewife. You know, one of the strongest females in the series,

???

She wasn't even really superhuman. BODB Goku was ten times more impressive, what with lifting a car, running slightly faster than Usain Bolt, and getting only a small bruise from a pistol bullet to the head. Every other female who even bothered to throw a punch could one-shot her (e.g. Ranfan, Lunch, Chi Chi, 18, Zangya, etc.).

[Nikkolas]

Pan was a hybrid of her grandparents' personality traits and had very little in common with her mom or dad. (except maybe getting Gohan's rage boosts) She's got Goku's love for fighting, Chi-Chi's violent temper and Satan's delightful swagger and arrogance. I found it an endearing mix. Sure she didn't have Super Saiyan but she had moxie and gumption and other terms like that. She never backed down from a fight, just like her grandpa.

The things people hate her for - being whiny and obnoxious and whatnot - were all traits shared by Kid Goten and Trunks. Now you might say "but Pan was weak!" I counter with "better weak than stupid." Pan tried her best and sadly that wasn't good enough. Goten and Trunks are directly responsible for their parents' deaths. They could have done something but they didn't.

To me, they both are far more deserving of hatred than GT Pan.

[Eire]

Lunch? She was the one with the gun, not strength.
I wrote "one of the strongest", not "the strongest". I liked her attitude the fact she found the way to utilise her strength. Moreover, apart from Bulma she was the only person in cast with PR and money- what a nice base for coordinator! And the only remarkable thing she accomplished was being the blandest of the mothers (18 and ChiChi at least saved some character after giving birth).

[FortuneSSJ]

Cooler's Revenge is one of the worst DBZ movies.
Seems like this one its unpopular. At least in America, where Toonami aired this movie once again.

[ABED]

I personally didn't like the fact that Pan was more childish than people of her family around that age. Her grandpa was independent at age of 12, her father saved the world as a teenager, even her mother was fighting crime Pan... nearly sabotaged world-saving mission, because she wanted to have an adventure. All my hate to that cliche. And she liked that stupid robot.

Goku and Gohan had much different circumstances. Gohan was forced to grow up fast, and Goku grew up in the mountains so he had to be independent to survive. She grew up during peace time. Her relationship with Giru was endearing.

[EXBadguy]

I'm starting to think that the Frieza saga gives DBZ a bad reputation for some people. Basically because of the final battle of the saga. I think that's where the annoying "it takes 50 episodes to beat a person" joke came from. Whenever I see some reception from the Saiyan, Cell, and Buu saga, I've never seen any references to that joke, unless you guys some comments like that in the other sagas. I dunno. But yeah, that's what I see now. Heck, even in Kai, the final battle of the Frieza saga was still ong as hell.

[DBZAOTA482]

Pan was a hybrid of her grandparents' personality traits and had very little in common with her mom or dad. (except maybe getting Gohan's rage boosts) She's got Goku's love for fighting, Chi-Chi's violent temper and Satan's delightful swagger and arrogance. I found it an endearing mix. Sure she didn't have Super Saiyan but she had moxie and gumption and other terms like that. She never backed down from a fight, just like her grandpa.

The things people hate her for - being whiny and obnoxious and whatnot - were all traits shared by Kid Goten and Trunks. Now you might say "but Pan was weak!" I counter with "better weak than stupid." Pan tried her best and sadly that wasn't good enough. Goten and Trunks are directly responsible for their parents' deaths. They could have done something but they didn't.

To me, they both are far more deserving of hatred than GT Pan.

To be fair, Goten wanted to give it to Majin Boo. Trunks was a bad influence. Also I think some people are too hard on Kid Gohan considering he was only 4-5 for a good 2/5 of the series, especially when he's done plenty of brave things.

Oh and funny how you mention the weak and stupid thing when ironically Pan was both.

I personally didn't like the fact that Pan was more childish than people of her family around that age. Her grandpa was independent at age of 12, her father saved the world as a teenager, even her mother was fighting crime Pan... nearly sabotaged world-saving mission, because she wanted to have an adventure. All my hate to that cliche. And she liked that stupid robot.

Goku and Gohan had much different circumstances. Gohan was forced to grow up fast, and Goku grew up in the mountains so he had to be independent to survive. She grew up during peace time. Her relationship with Giru was endearing.

Well you and I must have very definition of "endearing" because I don't consider abusive relationships "endearing".

[Kid Buu]

Well you and I must have very definition of "endearing" because I don't consider abusive relationships "endearing".

Your avatar says otherwise.

[ABED]

Pan and Giru's relationship grows over time and you have to make allowance for the show being a cartoon, so "abuse" is the wrong word.

[DBZAOTA482]

Well you and I must have very definition of "endearing" because I don't consider abusive relationships "endearing".

Your avatar says otherwise.

You're joking, right?

If not, then let me hit you with an analogy:

-An otherwise average concerned and understanding teenage girl who ocassionally hits her childhood friend (who is designated spirit detective and has a well-established rep as a thug) for being a jackass.

-A bratty superpowered 10-year old girl who constantly screams at, beats up and threatens her annoying robot of a friend for pretty much existing and only ever shows genuine feelings during extreme circumstances.


Which sounds more like an abusive relationship?

[Nikkolas]

I don't recall Pan ever doing anything that stupid. Then again, I freely admit that I don't recall GT that well. Also this is Dragonball so I have a high tolerance for characters being stupid because the series would fall apart if anyone was smart.

[Kid Buu]

You're joking, right?

If not, then let me hit you with an analogy:

-An otherwise average concerned and understanding teenage girl who ocassionally hits her childhood friend (who is designated spirit detective and has a well-established rep as a thug) for being a jackass.

-A bratty superpowered 10-year old girl who constantly screams at, beats up and threatens her annoying robot of a friend for pretty much existing and only ever shows genuine feelings during extreme circumstances.

Which sounds more like an abusive relationship?

I mean, an analogy is meant to be showing how two things are similar, and you already called one of them an abusive relationship, so....

[DBZAOTA482]

You're joking, right?

If not, then let me hit you with an analogy:

-An otherwise average concerned and understanding teenage girl who ocassionally hits her childhood friend (who is designated spirit detective and has a well-established rep as a thug) for being a jackass.

-A bratty superpowered 10-year old girl who constantly screams at, beats up and threatens her annoying robot of a friend for pretty much existing and only ever shows genuine feelings during extreme circumstances.

Which sounds more like an abusive relationship?

I mean, an analogy is meant to be showing how two things are similar, and you already called one of them an abusive relationship, so....

Whatever. Point is to get off me.

Pan and Giru's relationship grows over time and you have to make allowance for the show being a cartoon, so "abuse" is the wrong word.

What would you call it then? Tough love? Love taps? From the looks of things Giru doesn't see it as out of "love". And I get that it's a cartoon but it's gotta have some basis in reality otherwise the humor is lost and it gives the wrong implications.

Their relationship may grow but so do relationships with kidnappers (Stockholm Syndrome).