The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

[Kid Buu]

Kid Trunks Vs Future Trunks

Thoughts?

[RandomGuy96]

Kid Trunks Vs Future Trunks

Thoughts?

Kid Trunks. He's not THAT much stronger, but he's decently stronger nonetheless, and neither have any skill.

[Angelus]

Mercenary Tao VS 22nd WMAT Yamcha

21st WMAT Jackie Chun VS 22nd WMAT Krillin

[RandomGuy96]

Mercenary Tao VS 23rd WMAT Yamcha

21st WMAT Jackie Chun VS 22nd WMAT Krillin

Tao gets slaughtered. He'd get slaughtered if this was 22nd Budokai Yamcha, too.

Mismatch, Krillin one-shots.

[Angelus]

I meant 22nd Yamcha actually, yeah. Wait what? Chun's gaps can't be that huge, to get one-shotted. Could you explain why?

[RandomGuy96]

I meant 22nd Yamcha actually, yeah. Wait what? Chun's gaps can't be that huge, to get one-shotted. Could you explain why?

Roshi is roughly equal with Goku. Goku gets a bit stronger in the RRA arc. Goku gets absolutely curb-stomped by Tao. He grows much stronger on Karin's Lookout, and is now far above Tao, but not enough to tank or one-shot him. Right before this, he said he'd go seriously for once, implying he wasn't even at full power while beating up Goku earlier (or was just punching softer and moving slower than he usually could; either way, he'd be more dangerous). Yamcha and Krillin witness Goku's power against the Mummy, the devil guy, and Gohan. Then Goku does some more training in between the end of the RRA arc, and the 22nd Budokai. Despite all of this, Yamcha and Krillin are confident they can at least give him a good fight before seeing him thrash Chappa, and Roshi says that any three of Yamcha, Krillin, and Goku have a good chance after seeing some of their progress; again, before Goku thrashes Chappa. Even after Goku thrashes Chappa (who should be stronger than post-Karin Goku, going by Roshi's statements), Krillin thinks he at least has a chance.

Krillin [22nd Budokai] > Yamcha [22nd Budokai] > Goku [post-Karin training] > Tao Paipai > Tao Paipai [toying] > RRA arc Goku >= Jackie Chun [21st Budokai] >= Goku [21st Budokai]

Even Tao Paipai should be capable of one-shotting that version of Roshi, and Yamcha and Krillin should be able to smoke Tao Paipai by this point.

[Angelus]

Hold on a minute... How could you estimate manga Chappa with post-Korin Goku level? Chappa?

[RandomGuy96]

Hold on a minute... How could you estimate manga Chappa with post-Korin Goku level? Chappa?

Roshi and Yamcha said that Goku should have a really tough time against him, knowing full well that Goku has been training, and having witnessed Goku's power against Baba's fighters. Goku defeating him so easily completely shocks and scares Yamcha, Roshi, and Krillin. Chappa should be beyond post-Karin Goku's level.

[Galan007]

Kid Trunks Vs Future Trunks

Buu-era Kid Trunks vs. Cell-era Future Trunks? If so, future Trunks stomps... And effortlessly so.

[Darkron2151]

Love me some Match-Ups!

• Cooler (Fourth From (100%)) vs. Freeza (Fourth Form (50%))
  
  Base Goku (Namek) vs. Piccolo (Trunks Saga)
  
  Base Vegeta (Trunks Saga) vs. Base Future Gohan (2 Arms)
  
  Super Saiyan Grade 3 Future Trunks (No speed reduction or Energy Strain) vs. Super Saiyan Goku (Cell Games (50%))

And now with a special Tag-Team Battle:

• Super Saiyan Vegeta and (Healthy) Super Saiyan Goku (Android Saga) vs. Androids 17 and 18 (Trunks' Timeline)

[IDreamtIWasABee]

Kid Trunks Vs Future Trunks

Thoughts?

Future Trunks. No way your prepubescent self is going to be a match for your adult self, DBZ logic be damned.

[Darkron2151]

Future Trunks. No way your prepubescent self is going to be a match for your adult self, DBZ logic be damned.

But by that logic, Future Adult Gohan (Trunks' Timeline) > Kid Gohan (Cell Games) because one's much older than the other and has more experience fighting, which we know is WAAAAAAAY off . Differences such as age and maturity have no bearing on the amount of ki they can exert. They certainly help in fighting situations, but still play only a small role in the path to power. Gohan at age 5 blew completely out of the water what Goku could do at age 20. Heck, Gohan by age 11 was the strongest character in DBZ at that point in time. To throw away DBZ Logic in the In-Universe Discussion thread FOR DBZ seems counterproductive, as that's the only "logic" we really can use.

[Lord Beerus]

Omega Shenron vs Beerus (The one and only )

[RandomGuy96]

Omega Shenron vs Beerus (The one and only )

Syn Shenron one-shots. Even max power Baby Vegeta one-shots. Multiple characters in GT are stated to be stronger than everyone from Z. This would include Beerus now, especially with Chozenshuu 4 putting BOG and GT in the same timeline.

[Lord Beerus]

Omega Shenron vs Beerus (The one and only )

Syn Shenron one-shots. Multiple characters in GT are stated to be stronger than everyone from Z. This would include Beerus now, especially with Chozenshuu 4 putting BOG and GT in the same timeline.

Heresy!

[Kamiccolo9]

Omega Shenron vs Beerus (The one and only )

Syn Shenron one-shots. Even max power Baby Vegeta one-shots. Multiple characters in GT are stated to be stronger than everyone from Z. This would include Beerus now, especially with Chozenshuu 4 putting BOG and GT in the same timeline.

Who besides Baby Vegeta?

And, as I have mentioned before, Goku does that same statement that "I've never felt such a powerful ki" before against Janemba, only to effortlessly stomp him 5 seconds later. I don't see how that quote bears much relevance, especially since we know that Vegetto is on par with SSJ4 Goku.

[RandomGuy96]

Omega Shenron vs Beerus (The one and only )

Syn Shenron one-shots. Even max power Baby Vegeta one-shots. Multiple characters in GT are stated to be stronger than everyone from Z. This would include Beerus now, especially with Chozenshuu 4 putting BOG and GT in the same timeline.

Who besides Baby Vegeta?

And, as I have mentioned before, Goku does that same statement that "I've never felt such a powerful ki" before against Janemba, only to effortlessly stomp him 5 seconds later. I don't see how that quote bears much relevance, especially since we know that Vegetto is on par with SSJ4 Goku.

The narrator called Syn Shenron the most powerful enemy Goku ever faced.

He would be comparing Baby to Beerus retroactively, not himself. No, we don't. We know that SOME form of Vegetto is MAYBE stronger than "a Super Saiyan 4". I just choose to interpret that as the difference between SS3 Vegetto and base Goku being slightly bigger than the difference between SS4 Goku and base Goku (assuming equal bases).

[Kamiccolo9]

The narrator called Syn Shenron the most powerful enemy Goku ever faced.

He would be comparing Baby to Beerus retroactively, not himself. No, we don't. We know that SOME form of Vegetto is MAYBE stronger than "a Super Saiyan 4". I just choose to interpret that as the difference between SS3 Vegetto and base Goku being slightly bigger than the difference between SS4 Goku and base Goku (assuming equal bases).

The narrator is an out of universe figure commenting from an out of universe perspective. BoG had not been thought of yet, so of course the narrator would not be aware of it. I'm also fairly certain there is a quote somewhere referring to Super Saiyan God as the strongest incarnation of Goku, which, if we are linking BoG and GT like this, would include SSJ4, and, debatably, the fusions.

I'm fairly certain the quote in question referred to "Super Vegetto." Be that as it may, Beerus is worlds above Vegetto anyway, the same guy who was compared to a Super Saiyan 4, who was much stronger than Baby.

Also, please don't try to inform me as to what characters "actually meant" by their statements. There are numerous interpretations, and it's not particularly hard to come up with some just as valid, especially given the existence of a virtually identical quote made by the same people who made GT.

[RandomGuy96]

The narrator called Syn Shenron the most powerful enemy Goku ever faced.

He would be comparing Baby to Beerus retroactively, not himself. No, we don't. We know that SOME form of Vegetto is MAYBE stronger than "a Super Saiyan 4". I just choose to interpret that as the difference between SS3 Vegetto and base Goku being slightly bigger than the difference between SS4 Goku and base Goku (assuming equal bases).

The narrator is an out of universe figure commenting from an out of universe perspective. BoG had not been thought of yet, so of course the narrator would not be aware of it. I'm also fairly certain there is a quote somewhere referring to Super Saiyan God as the strongest incarnation of Goku, which, if we are linking BoG and GT like this, would include SSJ4, and, debatably, the fusions.

I'm fairly certain the quote in question referred to "Super Vegetto." Be that as it may, Beerus is worlds above Vegetto anyway, the same guy who was compared to a Super Saiyan 4, who was much stronger than Baby.

Also, please don't try to inform me as to what characters "actually meant" by their statements. There are numerous interpretations, and it's not particularly hard to come up with some just as valid, especially given the existence of a virtually identical quote made by the same people who made GT.

If you can find that quote, then by all means, go ahead. Until then, the quote on Syn Shenron being stronger than every other enemy Goku fought from the omniscient narrator, plus Chozenshuu 4 linking BOG and GT, point to Syn > Beerus (the narrator calls the evil dragon "Goku's most powerful enemy" before he absorbs the balls and gets x10+ stronger). It's not concrete, but these GT characters actually have something going for them in the BOG vs GT argument, while Beerus has nothing.

The quote didn't specifically mention Super Vegetto. The comparison to "a Super Saiyan 4" is rather meaningless because it's so vague. As I said, I interpret that as the difference between SS3 Vegetto and base Goku being slightly larger than the difference between base Goku and SS4 Goku. Of course, base GT Goku is literally hundreds of times stronger than BOG base Goku.

You said that Goku's quote wouldn't matter because he didn't factor in himself when making these statements. I said it didn't matter because he still should have been factoring in Beerus.

[White Oni]

Beerus doesn't exist in the GT universe...

Are we seriously trying to derive some sort of argument from the GT narrator that applies to BoG?

This is hilarious...

If the GT narrator had said "A fighter so strong had never existed." would that have meant that whoever he was talking about was stronger than superman?

That's the sort of logic you're going on here...