Freeza isn't the type to train?

[Regarder]

This seems to be a fairly common fan belief, and it was used in Dragonball Multiverse as well. Does it appear anywhere in the manga or anime, or is it just a wholesale fan invention? Did people assume he isn't the type to train even though he has all these incredible varied attacks and seems obsessed with battle power, just because he sits in a hover chair sipping space wine while lackeys do stuff?

[Darkron2151]

This seems to be a fairly common fan belief, and it was used in Dragonball Multiverse as well. Does it appear anywhere in the manga or anime, or is it just a wholesale fan invention? Did people assume he isn't the type to train even though he has all these incredible varied attacks and seems obsessed with battle power, just because he sits in a hover chair sipping space wine while lackeys do stuff?

He had a vast Monkey Empire to rule over. I don't think anyone of the Galactic Trade Organization trained unless they were soldiers that were off duty and weren't clearing out planets.

[Super Saiyan Turlast x4]

I think it's because Freeza never really needed to train. His Battle Power was always abnormally high, so he'd win all of his battles by default.

[Galan007]

It was never stated in the manga that Freeza didn't train. However, I could definitely subscribe to the notion that he didn't train after coming to power. He was, after all, several orders of magnitude more powerful than any other mortal being in the universe, prior to Goku becoming a SSJ... And he seemed quite comfortable in that role/status.

Heck, Freeza probably never even thought he'd have to transform beyond his base form just to beat an opponent, so indulging in high-intensity training just to increase his battle power(which, again, already exceeded everyone else's in the universe by an astronomical margin) seems like it would have taken a backseat to more pressing matters like: ruling his vast empire/organization, and asserting his dominance throughout the universe(which seemed like rather tedious tasks.) /shrug

[B]

Toriyama has, through recent interviews, revealed that Freeza and King Cold are mutants with abnormal strength, but I would say it was still always implied that they didn't have to work for their powers.

[Marco Polo]

The only training he did was to transform to weaker forms.

[Regarder]

And learning all his different attacks, and learning how to suppress and increase his ki within a form, and learning how to buff up to increase his power in his final form. His discs are pretty impressive and better than Krillin's. He might not train like the Saiyans do, but I'm sure he trained a lot in the past, and he certainly knows martial arts techniques.

[Marco Polo]

What makes you think he had to train to get these attacks? Even a (relative) weakling like Tenshinhan can learn attacks from just watching them once.

[Regarder]

What makes you think he had to train to get these attacks? Even a (relative) weakling like Tenshinhan can learn attacks from just watching them once.

Tenshinhan is supposed to be at least a talented martial artist who has trained enough to have understanding of ki attacks. The first couple of times an attack was copied it was portrayed as being a decent feat anyway.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

Given that he is one of the most skilled fighters in the series, it goes without question that he did train in the past, but he also definitely had an abnormal power from the start.

[Regarder]

Given that he is one of the most skilled fighters in the series, it goes without question that he did train in the past, but he also definitely had an abnormal power from the start.

Sure. He is a "mutant". The Saiyans always had the potential for even greater power than humans or even Freeza's clan as well, so (fake) genetics matter in DB.

[dbzfan7]

Chapter: 310 (DBZ 116), P2.2-3
Freeza: “I didn’t think you’d be this good…You’re the first person besides my parent who’s got dust on me…This might be the first time in my life I’ve been so excited…”
Note: the word used here for parent (oya) could be either singular or plural. Which has nothing to do with strength, I just felt like pointing that out

I'd say he at least did some training. He had to do some to limit his power with transformations, and it seems he did some sparing with King Cold.

[Regarder]

That and he's excited by a fight.

[rereboy]

There's a very important distinction here. There's training to figure out how to use and handle power and there's training to actually increase the already existing power.

With that in mind, its heavily implied in the manga that Freeza's power is just his natural power. That being so, if he ever did any training it was probably just training to handle and use that power. I don't imagine that he ever did any training to actually increase his existing power.

Btw, DBM was talking about training to increase existing power.

[Marco Polo]

Chapter: 310 (DBZ 116), P2.2-3
Freeza: “I didn’t think you’d be this good…You’re the first person besides my parent who’s got dust on me…This might be the first time in my life I’ve been so excited…”
Note: the word used here for parent (oya) could be either singular or plural. Which has nothing to do with strength, I just felt like pointing that out

I'd say he at least did some training. He had to do some to limit his power with transformations, and it seems he did some sparing with King Cold.

No, what it seems is that King Cold was a violent parent.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

its heavily implied in the manga that Freeza's power is just his natural power.

Where?

[rereboy]

its heavily implied in the manga that Freeza's power is just his natural power.

Where?

In literally everything about him. For example, from the way his transformations work, from the fact that he thought that there was no one stronger than Ginyu (besides his family), from the fact that he stated that only his parent(s) had ever actually hit him (in his real form), from the way he behaves, etc.

It all points to him just being naturally amazingly strong and that he never actually encountered anyone even remotely able to even hit him while in his natural form besides his own family. And given his preference to giving orders rather than doing things himself, its really unlikely he would push himself to become even stronger when there's no need. Therefore, any training that he did was almost surely more about handling his power than becoming even stronger.

[Galan007]

Freeza definitely had to have undergone significant training at *some* point, imo. He may have been born with absurd levels of power, but he surely must've trained intensely to become as skilled of a fighter as he was, and also to regress his 'true' form into weaker forms to conserve power. Furthermore, I doubt he was born with knowledge of how to use the various types of energy attacks he displayed--that may have required a good deal of training as well. /shrug

However, I can't imagine that Freeza would have trained much at all in the decadeS prior to the Namek saga. Even back when he destroyed planet Vegeta, he was already a well-established galactic tyrant, and had absolutely NO rivals in the universe(even in his base level.) By that point, training to increase his battle power would've been somewhat superfluous.

[rereboy]

Freeza definitely had to have undergone significant training at *some* point, imo. He may have been born with absurd levels of power, but he surely must've trained intensely to become as skilled of a fighter as he was, and also to regress his 'true' form into weaker forms to conserve power. Furthermore, I doubt he was born with knowledge of how to use the various types of energy attacks he displayed--that may have required a good deal of training as well. /shrug

However, I can't imagine that he would have trained much at all in the decadeS prior to the Namek saga. He was already a well-established galactic tyrant, and had absolutely NO rivals in the universe(even in his base level.) By that point, training to increase his battle power would've been somewhat superfluous.

That would be training to properly use and handle his power. Not to actually increase it. Like I said, that's a very important distinction.

[Galan007]

I am simply talking about training in general.