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[BlazingBarrrager]

Not even this special can make me like Bojack. Bojack is a villain that could have been cool and end up being lame. I like the idea of a gang of space pirates but they came off so boring and generic. Nothing about Bojack is new that we haven't seen before him.

Yeah. He pretty much reminds me of Freeza, but with a ripped off transformation akin to Super Saiyan.

[ParkerAL]

Not even this special can make me like Bojack. Bojack is a villain that could have been cool and end up being lame. I like the idea of a gang of space pirates but they came off so boring and generic. Nothing about Bojack is new that we haven't seen before him.

Yeah. He pretty much reminds me of Freeza, but with a ripped off transformation akin to Super Saiyan.

.......How? Freeza is a posh, sophisticated tyrant who uses polite mannerisms to cover up his sadistic megalomaniac personality. Bojack is... well, a thug. I can't really think of any other way to characterize him. I guess he's also kind of an idiot... which again sets him apart from Freeza, who was at least established as a schemer who plotted the annihilation of the Saiyans. I don't really see how a comparison could be drawn between them besides with the standard villainous traits they share.

Does anyone here even remember what Bojack's original goal was in the 9th movie, off the top of their head? I'm drawing a complete blank.

[RandomGuy96]

Bojack is... well, a thug. I can't really think of any other way to characterize him. I guess he's also kind of an idiot...

So what you're saying is that the comparison to Freeza was very accurate and approriate?

Does anyone here even remember what Bojack's original goal was in the 9th movie, off the top of their head? I'm drawing a complete blank.

I vaguely remember one of his henchmen just saying that it'd be cool if they conquered Earth. Then they headed to Earth.

[Hellspawn28]

Bojack is generic at best in my opinion. He could have been a awesome villain if he was not so boring. He wants to take over the Earth and that's pretty much it. The whole backstory with him and King Kai was hardly explain since we know that he steal away inside of some star that is link with King Kai's Planet. I think the whole space pirate gang idea could be great if the writers put more effort into the character development. Bojack never offer anything new that we haven't seen before since he transforms into a big buff up form that we seen a million times before (Garlic Jr, Freeza, Super 13 and Broli). I don't see any point on doing a special on a character who was never that interesting to be begin with.

[FoolsGil]

Bojack is generic at best in my opinion. He could have been a awesome villain if he was not so boring. He wants to take over the Earth and that's pretty much it. The whole backstory with him and King Kai was hardly explain since we know that he steal away inside of some star that is link with King Kai's Planet. I think the whole space pirate gang idea could be great if the writers put more effort into the character development. Bojack never offer anything new that we haven't seen before since he transforms into a big buff up form that we seen a million times before (Garlic Jr, Freeza, Super 13 and Broli). I don't see any point on doing a special on a character who was never that interesting to be begin with.

All movie villains are pretty generic though, there's just not enough time to flesh out enough backstory and give the movie enough action.

[Marco Polo]

Bojack is generic at best in my opinion. He could have been a awesome villain if he was not so boring. He wants to take over the Earth and that's pretty much it. The whole backstory with him and King Kai was hardly explain since we know that he steal away inside of some star that is link with King Kai's Planet. I think the whole space pirate gang idea could be great if the writers put more effort into the character development. Bojack never offer anything new that we haven't seen before since he transforms into a big buff up form that we seen a million times before (Garlic Jr, Freeza, Super 13 and Broli). I don't see any point on doing a special on a character who was never that interesting to be begin with.

All movie villains are pretty generic though, there's just not enough time to flesh out enough backstory and give the movie enough action.

Hirudegarn and Beerus are not generic.

[FoolsGil]

Bojack is generic at best in my opinion. He could have been a awesome villain if he was not so boring. He wants to take over the Earth and that's pretty much it. The whole backstory with him and King Kai was hardly explain since we know that he steal away inside of some star that is link with King Kai's Planet. I think the whole space pirate gang idea could be great if the writers put more effort into the character development. Bojack never offer anything new that we haven't seen before since he transforms into a big buff up form that we seen a million times before (Garlic Jr, Freeza, Super 13 and Broli). I don't see any point on doing a special on a character who was never that interesting to be begin with.

All movie villains are pretty generic though, there's just not enough time to flesh out enough backstory and give the movie enough action.

Hirudegarn and Beerus are not generic.

Hildegarn is the Godzilla of DBZ. His master Hoi is the most generic of them all-Only out to commit chaos for the sake of chaos. Bills is a spoiled brat of a God who likes to fight.

[Marco Polo]

All movie villains are pretty generic though, there's just not enough time to flesh out enough backstory and give the movie enough action.

Hirudegarn and Beerus are not generic.

Hildegarn is the Godzilla of DBZ. His master Hoi is the most generic of them all-Only out to commit chaos for the sake of chaos. Bills is a spoiled brat of a God who likes to fight.

Ok so actually you think all the villains of the franchise are generic, right?

[FoolsGil]

Ok so actually you think all the villains of the franchise are generic, right?

Are you kidding me? I said MOVIE villains.

[Marco Polo]

Ok so actually you think all the villains of the franchise are generic, right?

Are you kidding me? I said MOVIE villains.

The way you describe the movie villains could apply just the same to the other villains. Cell is out to commit chaos just for the sake of it. Freeza is a spoiled brat, etc.

[FoolsGil]

Ok so actually you think all the villains of the franchise are generic, right?

Are you kidding me? I said MOVIE villains.

The way you describe the movie villains could apply just the same to the other villains. Cell is out to commit chaos just for the sake of it. Freeza is a spoiled brat, etc.

Freeza is a being who has large reaches through out the universe, even after his death. He is a despot who puts on the refined image of a affable businessman when he's anything but. His MO isn't just wiping life out, or being the strongest, he runs a company that finds new homes for aliens, the bad being he has scores of forces that can wipe out the previous inhabitants. He only has one fear-the Super Saiyan, the only thing that can finally bring him to justice.

Why talk about Cell, when he's only delivering pain and suffering because he was doing only what he is programmed to? The true villain of the saga is Dr. Gero. A high ranking scientist who assisted Commander Red who wished to rule the world, he was the very few who survived Son Goku's onslaught against the RR. So he wished revenge. He spent the next several decades setting up contingency after contingency to make sure thqat one way or another Son Goku dies, and because he has grown mad over the years, he decided that the Earth should burn along with Goku. And he has succeeded in several timelines because time travel.

[Regarder]

At any rate, the personalities of Freeza, Cell, and Buu are lightyears more fun than Bojack. Though at least Bojack was better than Broly who you could almost believe was a self-parody of DBZ... or then again Broly just wraps back around to being fun again by virtue of being so over the top? Bojack is kind of bland in every way.

I don't find it hard to believe that there is another race out there besides the Saiyans that has transformations, but what is so disappointing in the movie is that they close the book as soon as they open it by stating that the Hera are also the last of their race as well. I guess even the production team wanted that design to be disposable. No sequels for your sort! (unlike Broly)

"He's changing colors!?"

"You're right! That is the important thing here!"

Well, assuming they can't sense powers, that is the obvious thing to home in on.

It's not that. It's the contrast. Bojack makes an incredibly ominous and scary comment, his eyes bulge, and then he violently bursts out of his top, wreathed in a visible aura; creating a blast wind that you are having to shield yourself from, and your first thought is to comment on his color change? That's funny to me. I guess that character is just that calm and that curious.

[ParkerAL]

Bojack is... well, a thug. I can't really think of any other way to characterize him. I guess he's also kind of an idiot...

So what you're saying is that the comparison to Freeza was very accurate and approriate?

No, not really. Freeza and Bojack only share superficial villainous traits that most antagonists in fictional works tend to have in common. They both go around murdering people to advance their goals and make the mistake of underestimating their opponents. Radtiz, Vegeta, Zarbon, the Ginyu Force, Cell and Super Buu also possess these characteristics. Do you consider them crappy characters too? I already pointed out the aspects of Freeza's personality that set him apart and make him an entertaining character. Of course, you're free to dispute any of them, in case you so desire.

Anyway, back on topic. I wonder if the special will go all the way to show King Kai sealing away Bojack? If so, the artist probably can't waste spend too many pages on the soldiers getting curb stomped.

I wonder how Bojack and as gang even ended up trapped inside a planet located in the Other World to begin with? Did King Kai teleport them into the core of his world? Or did he seal them inside some kind of magic container that King Kai will bury in his backyard. Maybe it will be a scenario similar to Zordon trapping Rita Repulsa in a trash can on the moon.

[RandomGuy96]

Bojack is... well, a thug. I can't really think of any other way to characterize him. I guess he's also kind of an idiot...

So what you're saying is that the comparison to Freeza was very accurate and approriate?

No, not really. Freeza and Bojack only share superficial villainous traits that most antagonists in fictional works tend to have in common. They both go around murdering people to advance their goals and make the mistake of underestimating their opponents. Radtiz, Vegeta, Zarbon, the Ginyu Force, Cell and Super Buu all share these characteristics. Do you consider them crappy characters toot? I already pointed out the aspects of Freeza's personality that set him apart and make him an entertaining character. Of course, you're free to dispute any of them, in case you so desire.

They're also both stupid thugs.

Your description of Freeza's personality wasn't that accurate. He makes no effort to cover up sadistic, megalomaniac personality. He revels in it. He's not polite, either. Pretty much everything he says is an insult or threat. And how is he sophisticated? Because of the way he talks? He repeatedly shows himself to be an dumb brute who relies on his high power level for everything.

[ParkerAL]

They're also both stupid thugs.

Again, those words can cover most villains in the series. Toriyama usually makes it impossible for his good guys to prevail in any given situation without their opponents doing something really dumb.

Many antagonists are generally thuggish by default. It isn't necessarily a bad characteristic for bad guys to have. Many of the most memorable villains from throughout history, including such notable menaces as Caligula, Attila the Hun, Genghis Kahn, Vlad the Impaler and Jack the Ripper, were all thugs when you boil down to their most basic characteristics. And yet, their names have lived on for centuries in the public's mind.

It all depends on whether a character pulls off their particular brand of villainy well or not. I personally think Freeza succeeds as memorable antagonist. You evidently don't. I guess that leaves us with very little room to continue this discussion.

Out of curiosity, who is your favorite Dragon Ball villain, and what makes him or her not a thug?

[RandomGuy96]

They're also both stupid thugs.

Again, those words can cover most villains in the series. Toriyama usually makes it impossible for his good guys to prevail in any given situation without their opponents doing something really dumb.

Many antagonists are generally thuggish by default. It isn't necessarily a bad characteristic for bad guys to have. Many of the most memorable villains from throughout history, including such notable menaces as Caligula, Attila the Hun, Genghis Kahn, Vlad the Impaler and Jack the Ripper, were all thugs when you boil down to their most basic characteristics. And yet, their names have lived on for centuries in the public's mind.

It all depends on whether a character pulls off their particular brand of villainy well or not. I personally think Freeza succeeds as memorable antagonist. You evidently don't. I guess that leaves us with very little room to continue this discussion.

Out of curiosity, who is your favorite Dragon Ball villain, and what makes him or her not a thug?

Super Buu. He is a thug, but he's not stupid, he's entertaining, and he's not characterized solely as a thug, being loaded with personality. He's also pretty funny.

Second favorite is Fat Buu, who also isn't characterized solely as being dumb and violent, even if he initially is.

My point was that "dumb thug" is actually a pretty accurate description of Freeza, so maybe that was the wrong way to describe Bojack if you're trying to emphasize their differences.

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