"Dragon Ball XENOVERSE" Official Discussion Thread

[IGhostUlt]

Man I'm mad! This roster SUCKS! I'm going to wait for this game to get cheap, and wait to see what they have in store for the sequel.

[DonieZ]

I haven't been following the game much lately. Has anyone noticed any gameplay changes since the beta? I noticed dashing seems a little faster.

Edit: Wait what?! Local multiplayer is confined to the World Tournament stage?!?

[Super Saiyajin Luffy]

I haven't been following the game much lately. Has anyone noticed any gameplay changes since the beta? I noticed dashing seems a little faster.

Edit: Wait what?! Local multiplayer is confined to the World Tournament stage?!?

Only minor gameplay changes:
Step attacks are added, which might or not might remove my Vegeta or Radditz infinite from the network test
dash cancels after knockback attacks uses up 1 bar of Stamina/Guard meter, but the followup is easier to connect, as the dash seems to be automatic in this case
jumping recovery added

Local multiplayer only World Tournament stage.

[Quebaz]

I just love how some fans think character roster is the only important thing in a Dragon Ball game...

In the end, that's what really matters for this fanbase. *sigh*

Local 1v1 is only on the world tournament stage. Massive botch by Dimps. No HUD vs CPU or in online vs, another massive botch. Dimps' focused so much on fluffy gimmicks like 2v2, 3v3 & CaC and messed up on the basics that make the game playable. Stupid, game went from a 9 to a 6 in my eyes because of these easily avoidable design flaws.

These were known months ago and you are disappointed now?

Now? People have always been disappointed about this, we've just been letting it slide because we tought it would get fixed/changed...which it didn't. Stuff like this, the transformation/costumization system affects the entire game and there's no reason why it couldn't be changed. Why did they make a transformation system that only benefits the Saiyans, making any other character with transformations either having their form separate (why is Perfect Cell separate from Super Perfect Cell, he kinda fits into the transformation system but whatever) or having them removed outright for no reason (bye any Super Buu absorption, we'll miss you) and even limits the fanservice aspect this game hs going for thanks to how limited they are. The costumization system makes things worse, because it causes the whole BT3 dilema, if you want to use Goku's outfit from the Freeza Arc, you won't be able to use Buu-arc attacks nor transformations... which could easily be fixed with a Capsule System.

Again, this game has a lot of things going for it, the graphics, the overall battle system and the CaC are all amazing and it's better than all the games we've gotten, but then it disappoints you by limiting/not including the most basic features for some reason.

[EA575]

I haven't been following the game much lately. Has anyone noticed any gameplay changes since the beta? I noticed dashing seems a little faster.

Edit: Wait what?! Local multiplayer is confined to the World Tournament stage?!?

That's' what it looks like. I guess they decided against using split-screen.

Stuff like this, the transformation/costumization system affects the entire game and there's no reason why it couldn't be changed. Why did they make a transformation system that only benefits the Saiyans, making any other character with transformations either having their form separate (why is Perfect Cell separate from Super Perfect Cell, he kinda fits into the transformation system but whatever) or having them removed outright for no reason (bye any Super Buu absorption, we'll miss you)

Because transformations are temporary in this game, and they're going with logic rather than just for pure gameplay (Super Perfect Cell can't revert back to Perfect cell, etc). I'm pretty sure you wouldn't want to fight a permanent Super Vegeta or a permanent 100% Final Form Freeza online with all the stat boosts transformations give you.

Only minor gameplay changes:
Step attacks are added, which might or not might remove my Vegeta or Radditz infinite from the network test
dash cancels after knockback attacks uses up 1 bar of Stamina/Guard meter, but the followup is easier to connect, as the dash seems to be automatic in this case
jumping recovery added

You also start the match with 0 ki bars. So no SSJ at the start of the fight

[IGhostUlt]

I haven't been following the game much lately. Has anyone noticed any gameplay changes since the beta? I noticed dashing seems a little faster.

Edit: Wait what?! Local multiplayer is confined to the World Tournament stage?!?

That's' what it looks like. I guess they decided against using split-screen.

Stuff like this, the transformation/costumization system affects the entire game and there's no reason why it couldn't be changed. Why did they make a transformation system that only benefits the Saiyans, making any other character with transformations either having their form separate (why is Perfect Cell separate from Super Perfect Cell, he kinda fits into the transformation system but whatever) or having them removed outright for no reason (bye any Super Buu absorption, we'll miss you)

Because transformations are temporary in this game, and they're going with logic rather than just for pure gameplay (Super Perfect Cell can't revert back to Perfect cell, etc). I'm pretty sure you wouldn't want to fight a permanent Super Vegeta or a permanent 100% Final Form Freeza online with all the stat boosts transformations give you.

In the Tenkaichi series villains couldn't revert back to their previous form once you transformed, so i think the decisions to this transformation system wasn't well thought out at all.

[EA575]

In the Tenkaichi series villains couldn't revert back to their previous form once you transformed, so i think the decisions to this transformation system wasn't well thought out at all.

They also didn't get a significant damage and mobility boost.

[IGhostUlt]

In the Tenkaichi series villains couldn't revert back to their previous form once you transformed, so i think the decisions to this transformation system wasn't well thought out at all.

They also didn't get a significant damage and mobility boost.

Same for the saiyans but that doesn't matter because it would unbalance the game.

[EA575]

Same for the saiyans but that doesn't matter because it would unbalance the game.

Hence why transformations are temporary in Xenoverse.

[IGhostUlt]

Same for the saiyans but that doesn't matter because it would unbalance the game.

Hence why transformations are temporary in Xenoverse.

Thats not entirely true because of characters like ssj4 goku, ssjg goku, etc.

[Quebaz]

I haven't been following the game much lately. Has anyone noticed any gameplay changes since the beta? I noticed dashing seems a little faster.

Edit: Wait what?! Local multiplayer is confined to the World Tournament stage?!?

That's' what it looks like. I guess they decided against using split-screen.

Stuff like this, the transformation/costumization system affects the entire game and there's no reason why it couldn't be changed. Why did they make a transformation system that only benefits the Saiyans, making any other character with transformations either having their form separate (why is Perfect Cell separate from Super Perfect Cell, he kinda fits into the transformation system but whatever) or having them removed outright for no reason (bye any Super Buu absorption, we'll miss you)

Because transformations are temporary in this game, and they're going with logic rather than just for pure gameplay (Super Perfect Cell can't revert back to Perfect cell, etc). I'm pretty sure you wouldn't want to fight a permanent Super Vegeta or a permanent 100% Final Form Freeza online with all the stat boosts transformations give you.

Then why give us all of these unfiar stat boosts then? Why couldn't they make it like the Budokai series which let you stay transformed thanks to a Stamina System, gave us balanced Stat Boosts and in cases like Shin Budokai 2 let your start the battle while transformed? You know what I mean, they already had perfect systems in the previous games, but for some reason are changing it for the worse here.

[EXBadguy]

Same for the saiyans but that doesn't matter because it would unbalance the game.

Hence why transformations are temporary in Xenoverse.

Thats not entirely true because of characters like ssj4 goku, ssjg goku, etc.

Yeah, it's only four that are fucked up(those two along with SSJ Teen Gohan and SSJ4 Vegeta), but yeah SSJ transformations in the show in general were temporary while the rest of the transformations weren't. I know people are gonna say "THEY ONLY POWER OUT WHEN THEY'RE KNOCKED OUT" true, BUT, some SSJ forms also power out when they're tired too. I for one am glad it's like this, cuz it made them took more time to fix the gameplay and add NEVER BEFORE SEEN characters.

Then why give us all of these unfiar stat boosts then? Why couldn't they make it like the Budokai series which let you stay transformed thanks to a Stamina System.

*ahem* Does Full/Maximum Power Energy Charge ring a bell?

[P5BLDV]

I don't mind the transformation system, I think trying to master SSJ3 use in combat is a fun challenge since I get big attack buffs but massive ki drain where I'm screwed after. There's also the special treatment super saiyan cool kids who get most of the benefits with no drawback(that one form of Gohan, SSJ4 etc)

What I don't like is not being able to see the CPU's HUD. How does this seemingly minor quirk nerf gameplay you ask? How can I know how long of a combo to use after I guesstimate the CPU used all of its vanishes? I can't see how fast/slow the green bar is recovering so now I have to basically count in my head and guess which combos are practical or not. How can I know when the ki bar is above 3 bars/full so I can look out for an ultimate. Sure I can react to it but I'd much rather keep on eye on the ki so I can plan a better approach. And all these issues exist in online vs which is worse since the opponent is player controlled which tosses in a whole new dynamic of random.


The HUD issue is fixed in local vs but we're fixed to one stage, the worse stage in the entire game. When at least half the stages in the game, Sky, Space, Cave, Cell games etc would work PERFECTLY with the local camera. The game delivers on character design, gameplay, framerate etc(most important stuff) but ruins it with odd choices. So either DImps rushed this game out or the CaC, Story, 3v3 fluff screwed the budget/deadline and caused them to mess up the most basic of features.

[Quebaz]

Then why give us all of these unfiar stat boosts then? Why couldn't they make it like the Budokai series which let you stay transformed thanks to a Stamina System.

*ahem* Does Full/Maximum Power Energy Charge ring a bell?

What? The slow energy charge that shouldn't have been a super in the first place and it's way too slow so no one will use it anyway because you can build up more ki by landing normal attacks? What of it?

[voltlunok]

Then why give us all of these unfiar stat boosts then? Why couldn't they make it like the Budokai series which let you stay transformed thanks to a Stamina System.

*ahem* Does Full/Maximum Power Energy Charge ring a bell?

What? The slow energy charge that shouldn't have been a super in the first place and it's way too slow so no one will use it anyway because you can build up more ki by landing normal attacks? What of it?

I think he might be referring to abilities in BT3 where you could just dump all your blast charges to have max power energy. If stuff like that is in this game then that is another, bigger monkey wrench being chucked into the game's 'balanced' fighting system. Though I might be misinterpreting what he is saying.

[EA575]

Same for the saiyans but that doesn't matter because it would unbalance the game.

Hence why transformations are temporary in Xenoverse.

Thats not entirely true because of characters like ssj4 goku, ssjg goku, etc.

I meant transformations in the sense of transforming in-game, not the character itself.

Then why give us all of these unfiar stat boosts then? Why couldn't they make it like the Budokai series which let you stay transformed thanks to a Stamina System, gave us balanced Stat Boosts and in cases like Shin Budokai 2 let your start the battle while transformed? You know what I mean, they already had perfect systems in the previous games, but for some reason are changing it for the worse here.

My guess is they want to make transforming useful instead of just getting a new look and perhaps getting a couple of new specials or else it would be useless. I do think they made it too good--I think they also realized that, which is why the match now begins with both characters having 0 ki bars. Starting a match transformed, if they were to keep with the idea of getting a stat boost, would be unfair for the characters who can't transform at all.

[EXBadguy]

Then why give us all of these unfiar stat boosts then? Why couldn't they make it like the Budokai series which let you stay transformed thanks to a Stamina System.

*ahem* Does Full/Maximum Power Energy Charge ring a bell?

What? The slow energy charge that shouldn't have been a super in the first place and it's way too slow so no one will use it anyway because you can build up more ki by landing normal attacks? What of it?

"Slow"? Sure, the regular one is, but the upgraded Full and Maximum charges are faster from what I've seen in some videos. But, yeah, whatever floats your boat if you don't like 'em.

What I don't like is not being able to see the CPU's HUD. How does this seemingly minor quirk nerf gameplay you ask? How can I know how long of a combo to use after I guesstimate the CPU used all of its vanishes? I can't see how fast/slow the green bar is recovering so now I have to basically count in my head and guess which combos are practical or not. How can I know when the ki bar is above 3 bars/full so I can look out for an ultimate. Sure I can react to it but I'd much rather keep on eye on the ki so I can plan a better approach. And all these issues exist in online vs which is worse since the opponent is player controlled which tosses in a whole new dynamic of random.

Yeah, not seeing the CPU's HUD is dumb, but hey, when people play fighting games, most people are gonna look at the health bars anyway.

[EA575]

Does the scouter show their ki and guard bars besides their specials list?

[Careless Saiyajin]

I find that this is actually an interesting game making an effort to make the transformations more valuable adding a whole new element to gameplay with temporary transformations, I love it!

[P5BLDV]

Yeah, not seeing the CPU's HUD is dumb, but hey, when people play fighting games, most people are gonna look at the health bars anyway.

Yeah in fighting games that don't have super meters and such. For fighting games that do like anime fighters especially. It is important to know your enemy's resources. This game has 2 bars which are both critical to gameplay. Yellow for supers/ultimates, green for dashing/vanishing/escape moves/boost follow ups/offensive vanish.

When the green bar is gone, it is open season. You'd think that having access to the state of this bar would be something axiomatic when it comes to design choices. So unless someone wants to commit the green bar rates for EVERY character to photographic memory, high level play has basically be shut off. Now we'll be limited to use safe, boring tactics for fear of being punished because we're in the dark about our enemy's resources. This isn't FPS or a damn RPG Dimps.