Official On-Going DBZ 2015 Movie Thread: "Resurrection 'F'"

[Bullza]

Remember, this a 120 minute movie. Those baby angles are literally gonna have a grand total of 2 minutes, even if that, of screentime.

The amount of time they're in the movie doesn't matter. They don't need to be in the movie at all. Nobody knows what the runtime of the movie is yet, nobody should be paying that 120 minute runtime any mind and that 2 minutes is time that could have gone to Tien who'll be lucky if he even shows up in the movie.

Pilaf should have been enough childishness for this movie.

[KentalSSJ6]

But why lessening DB for the fucking little kids?

Because Dragon Ball is for kids. It's a Shonen manga/anime remember..

What I mean by "little kids" 3-9 or some shit similar. I know they have been appealing to the older age range too, but it seems they are holding back lately, especially with the way the JSAT special and BoG turned out. I dunno what kinda crack Toriyama is smoking to draw these stupid "cutsey" crap. There weren't that much cutsey crap in the original DB either, so WHY THE HELL IS HE DOING THIS?

Toriyama better not ass-rape the series. I apologize for overreacting*woosaw*.

Get with the times or find something else to watch. Not sure what else to tell you at this point. People have pointed out and explained this to you multiple times now.

[radrappy]

And that's what I and most people hope from this movie. Comedy for the first 10-15 minutes, then the rest of the movie, just get down to business!

We've already had 12 boring movies that were essentially just this. In what universe does "5 angel babies with an army of stuffed animals have to keep Freeza in check" not sound like an utterly fantastic thing to see? Even seeing the Slump-esque designs brought a smile to my face. It's for situations like this that I read AT's work in the first place.

Instead of pointlessly whining over the content of this film, you can go watch about 12 other films which follow the same overused, rehashed formula that you seem to worship.

This is Dragonball. From Chapter 1 to Fukkatsu no F. No amount of complaining is going to change that.

Testify!

[EXBadguy]

Toriyama is obviously probing Bullza's brain in order to gauge what pisses him off and put it in the movie.

Seriously, this is great. Best news since we found out Pilaf was in. I cannot for the life of me see why anyone would want a super-serious non-spinoff Dragon Ball movie. It worked for Bardock and History of Trunks, but those were totally different settings than that of Goku and co. A super serious movie would just feel....off.

Nobody's asking for a "Ultra serious Hokuto no Ken" tone. If anything, I just want balance, especially since Frieza's the main baddie. BoG wasn't like that at all.

But yeah, I'll stop.

[JulieYBM]

That was twenty-five years ago. Times have changed, Shin Seiki Evangelion and Cowboy Bebop have made it difficult to be violent in mainstream works. This film is aimed at international audiences, too, so this film has even less room to be violent. The idea is to make the least offensive movie possible, in every single last regard.

Which is tremendously sad.

This is what one gets for becoming popular, you have to become a politician. A used-car salesman. Someone who puts on a smile and has to avoid being anything that society deems unfit for mass consumption. Because money is at stake, jobs are at stake, and livelihoods are at stake.

[Ryuman]

Good Lord, never make anything close to dark for Dragon Ball ever again. More comedy! More fun! More heart! I want to see more angry reactions.

[Retan]

The five angels that Keep Freeza imprisoned and sing to him pop music!! HELL is here Freeza!!

[Lord Beerus]

That was twenty-five years ago. Times have changed, Shin Seiki Evangelion and Cowboy Bebop have made it difficult to be violent in mainstream works. This film is aimed at international audiences, too, so this film has even less room to be violent. The idea is to make the least offensive movie possible, in every single last regard.

In hindsight, you're pretty spot on with this. But then you think of the insane success of Attack On Titan in the mainstream and that kind of mindset doesn't really apply. The same can be said for Kill La Kill, Fate/Zero, the live action Rurouni Kenshin films...

[Kamiccolo9]

Now I'm hoping that these angels are the narrators of the story, and that it's told in the "How the Grinch Stole Christmas" style, with them explaining everything that happens.

[EXBadguy]

Just answer this one question. Is there another reason why Toei decide to lessen the violence besides money, or that's just it? Anyone?

[Bullza]

These are Hell's Angels. Cute and cuddly creatures torturing the PLANET-DESTROYING TYRANT known as Freeza. That's funny. That's humorous.

Erm no, that's not even remotely funny...They tried being funny in the last movie with Pilaf and they failed miserably unless you were a 5 year old who found drawing poo's funny.

This film is aimed at international audiences, too, so this film has even less room to be violent.

That makes no sense. This movie is aimed at Dragon Ball Z fans who are well aware of the show and its violence and didn't stop them from liking it anyway. Stripping that away and putting in more childish scenes isn't what fans want.

I cannot for the life of me see why anyone would want a super-serious non-spinoff Dragon Ball movie.

Nobody said anything about it being super serious I'd just rather not turn into a childish joke.

[KentalSSJ6]

Toriyama is obviously probing Bullza's brain in order to gauge what pisses him off and put it in the movie.

Seriously, this is great. Best news since we found out Pilaf was in. I cannot for the life of me see why anyone would want a super-serious non-spinoff Dragon Ball movie. It worked for Bardock and History of Trunks, but those were totally different settings than that of Goku and co. A super serious movie would just feel....off.

Nobody's asking for a "Ultra serious Hokuto no Ken" tone. If anything, I just want balance, especially since Freeza's the main baddie. BoG wasn't like that at all.

But yeah, I'll stop.

BOG wasn't MEANT to be that in the first place (see how much emphasis I had to put there?). The moment you hear Toriyama is writing the script and plot, don't go in expecting throwaway villains and fight fight fight fight fight go Super Saiyan fight fight fight fight kill villain credits.

[Kamiccolo9]

I like all this talk about "lessening the violence" when we know practically nothing about the movie yet.

[rereboy]

So going by your logic, 1/3 of the entire manga was infantilized. Especially the Majin Boo arc.

Nope. Dragon Ball had humor, some of it kind of juvenile, but it wasn't infantilized. As for this movie, I have no idea if its like the humor the manga had, or if its something more infantilized because I haven't seen it yet. My point was that your argument of "its shonen" doesn't really mean much in regards to what you were trying to say.

I will say however, that the tendency is exactly what JulieYBM mentioned. And yes, that makes the modern animes much worse than what they could be. In my "day", cartoons and animes "pushed" the kids in terms of their understanding and themes, and nowadays they seem to have given up on that entirely, and focus instead on the $$$ and in trying to not being criticized by anyone.

In hindsight, you're pretty spot on with this. But then you think of the insane success of Attack On Titan in the mainstream and that kind of mindset doesn't really apply. The same can be said for Kill La Kill, Fate/Zero, the live action Rurouni Kenshin films...

Because the audience is starting to become starved for something that pushes the bar a bit.

[EXBadguy]

Toriyama is obviously probing Bullza's brain in order to gauge what pisses him off and put it in the movie.

Seriously, this is great. Best news since we found out Pilaf was in. I cannot for the life of me see why anyone would want a super-serious non-spinoff Dragon Ball movie. It worked for Bardock and History of Trunks, but those were totally different settings than that of Goku and co. A super serious movie would just feel....off.

Nobody's asking for a "Ultra serious Hokuto no Ken" tone. If anything, I just want balance, especially since Freeza's the main baddie. BoG wasn't like that at all.

But yeah, I'll stop.

BOG wasn't MEANT to be that in the first place (see how much emphasis I had to put there?). The moment you hear Toriyama is writing the script and plot, don't go in expecting throwaway villains and fight fight fight fight fight go Super Saiyan fight fight fight fight kill villain credits.

You guys still don't get it. I'm not asking for the same pattern. If anything, I like the ending of the Beerus fight. I agree that the pattern, "villain comes, hero beats the villain" is repetitive. I'm just worried about the tone of the movie, that's all. Especially when Frieza's around, do you expect to see many comedy elements?

Many people felt that Toriyama has gotten soft compared to his earlier work, so another thing I've proven you wrong about.

[JulieYBM]

See, this is why y'all should watch Otaku-aimed series, which don't have as much responsibility as a mainstream children's franchise.

That was twenty-five years ago. Times have changed, Shin Seiki Evangelion and Cowboy Bebop have made it difficult to be violent in mainstream works. This film is aimed at international audiences, too, so this film has even less room to be violent. The idea is to make the least offensive movie possible, in every single last regard.

In hindsight, you're pretty spot on with this. But then you think of the insane success of Attack On Titan in the mainstream and that kind of mindset doesn't really apply. The same can be said for Kill La Kill, Fate/Zero, the live action Rurouni Kenshin films...

Shingeki no Kyojin airs at 11PM and isn't a massive marketing machine with solid roots amongst younger children, it makes its money off of older teens and adults. Dragon Ball has the potential to be a continuous children's marketing machine, which will hold out longer than the adult fan base of Shingeki no Kyojin and hold stronger international ties.

Kill la Kill and Fate/Zero aren't nearly as popular as Shingeki no Kyojin. Heck, Kill la Kill isn't nearly as popular as Fate/Zero, both of which aired at night and aimed at Otaku audiences.

The live action Rurouni Kenshin films work under a guise of being 'historical' films, something Dragon Ball cannot quite do. Being live action also gives them a leg up on an animated film, too.

[Lord Beerus]

What I mean by "little kids" 3-9 or some shit similar. I know they have been appealing to the older age range too, but it seems they are holding back lately, especially with the way the JSAT special and BoG turned out. I dunno what kinda crack Toriyama is smoking to draw these stupid "cutsey" crap. There weren't that much cutsey crap in the original DB either, so WHY THE HELL IS HE DOING THIS?

Toriyama better not ass-rape the series. I apologize for overreacting*woosaw*.

This post epitomizes a lot of things wrong the Dragon Ball fandom.

[Ryuman]

These are Hell's Angels. Cute and cuddly creatures torturing the PLANET-DESTROYING TYRANT known as Freeza. That's funny. That's humorous.

Erm no, that's not even remotely funny...

Great! There's your opinion.

This movie is aimed at Dragon Ball Z fans who are well aware of the show and its violence and didn't stop them from liking it anyway. Stripping that away and putting in more childish scenes isn't what fans want.

So you know what fans want?

But then you think of the insane success of Attack On Titan in the mainstream and that kind of mindset doesn't really apply. The same can be said for Kill La Kill, Fate/Zero, the live action Rurouni Kenshin films...

One should know their audience, I suppose.
It's not like Dragon Ball's tone has really been consistent anyway. That's why it's all so pointless to argue whether or not Dragon Ball is getting too light or too dark. And some comedic elements don't entirely destroy a dark tone either.

[EXBadguy]

What I mean by "little kids" 3-9 or some shit similar. I know they have been appealing to the older age range too, but it seems they are holding back lately, especially with the way the JSAT special and BoG turned out. I dunno what kinda crack Toriyama is smoking to draw these stupid "cutsey" crap. There weren't that much cutsey crap in the original DB either, so WHY THE HELL IS HE DOING THIS?

Toriyama better not ass-rape the series. I apologize for overreacting*woosaw*.

This post epitomizes a lot of things wrong the Dragon Ball fandom.

I'm just saiyan. I don't like how things are going with Toei right now. I know I'm my own piece of work, but I hope none of yall compare me to the youtube community, cuz I said many times that I don't want the movie to be "super serious" but balanced. Heck, many people here said it too.

Especially when Freeza's around, do you expect to see many comedy elements?

Once again, these guys are pretty relevant to the discussion

Doesn't negate my statement though. You know darn well I'm talking about his own saga, you know, the one that is the most commercially successful of the series.

[Ryuman]

Especially when Freeza's around, do you expect to see many comedy elements?

Once again, these guys are pretty relevant to the discussion