Official On-Going DBZ 2015 Movie Thread: "Resurrection 'F'"

[Bullza]

With training only, he went from 8,000 to 90,000; a 45x difference

Don't you mean a little over 11x?

Plus Goku would had a zenkai boost of his own following the Vegeta fight so it shouldn't even be that.

[AvatarReiko]

The only thing I wanna know is why in hell would Freeza be revived by his minions.

The better question is; why did they wait so long to do it?

[Doctor.]

With training only, he went from 8,000 to 90,000; a 45x difference

Don't you mean a little over 11x?

Plus Goku would had a zenkai boost of his own following the Vegeta fight so it shouldn't even be that.

Wait where did I get 45x from

11x is even worse if you're defending Freeza then.

[AvatarReiko]

The only thing I wanna know is why in hell would Freeza be revived by his minions.

Perhaps he actually treated his empire and his subordinates in a moderately humane manner. The Ginyus didn’t seem to have a problem in initiating a normal conversation with Freeza. Zarbon and Dodoria also seemed comfortable enough around Freeza.

Taking real life as an example, we still have Neo Nazis who praise Hitler. Here in Portugal like 50% of the population doesn't hold any type of grudge towards a dictator who ruled over us for circa 30 years or so, and he only died in the 60s. When the Roman Empire split into two, I’m sure there were people who thought of the “good old days” where they were united with one leader.

Well, Frieza always seemed to treat his high-ranking subordinates with some respect, as shown with the GF, Dadoria and Zarbon

[Drayenko]

The better question is; why did they wait so long to do it?

Because we need a new movie with him in it! Yay.

[NitroEX]

Goku became fucktardedly strong after 6 days of gravity training and yet a huge boost after 4 months of training is somehow a stretch.?

Well, Goku is an alien so... Erm, oh wait, so is Freeza.

But! But Goku's a prodigy and fighting genius! Oh, wait... yeah, Freeza too.



I think it's almost as though the years of there being no new Dragonball plot-lines has lulled the fanbase into feeling as if everything that has gone on before is unshakeable lore that's set in stone. It's really not so hard to get one's head around a lot of the new stuff if basic logic is applied, I mean, it's already more than implicit that Freeza arrogantly sat in his ruling position, paranoidly fearing the rise of the Saiyan's, but never questioning the idea in his own head of his strength ever being equaled or surpassed by any lower being - it's what makes his breakdown when fighting Goku all the more poignant. Being as freakishly powerful as he was, Freeza probably never lifted a finger to train his whole life (which has been stated as much recently) - it therefore stands to reason that with such absurd natural strength, that with training he could become much, much stronger.

Freeza getting stronger by training isn't the problem, that's perfectly believable. It's him becoming stronger than Goku or Buu in only 4 months that I have a problem with. Even at Goku's most intense training (whether it be gravity training or spending a year in the ROSAT) he never received anywhere near that kind of increase in such a short time.

You can try and make the argument that Freeza's race just has better potential than Saiyans but then why did he never train after losing to Goku the first time? Going by this new story he could have had the power to squash both Trunks and Goku if he had only trained two months. Why is he even stopping at 4 months in the new movie when he could carry on training for a year and become so OP that he outclasses characters like Beerus?

It's easy to see why people would call bullshit on this, it just screams lazy asspull. I was willing to accept Freeza's return if his role was significant to something greater than himself (similar to the forming of Super 17 in GT) but that doesn't seem to be the case here. It just seems like an incredibly basic plot of: recycle old popular villain and make him stronger than the heroes so can have a big battle that serves no greater purpose.

As a fan I'm hoping there's more to it because honestly, other less popular franchises wouldn't be able to get away with lazy writing like this.

[Bullza]

Wait where did I get 45x from

I have no idea, you said that before too so I was sitting here wondering if it was just me that was missing out on something.

As far as other increases go Goku got 19x stronger training with King Kai and that was over 4 months wasn't it? Plus he was in a gravity he wasn't adjusted to and had a mentor to specially train.

It's not like Frieza is gonna have a sparring partner.

[Dyno]

The better question is; why did they wait so long to do it?

Because we need a new movie with him in it! Yay.

oh god... After seen him in Movie 12, Hatchyack's OVA in 2010, in Episode of Bardock, in Dragon Ball Minus...

Freeza's in every corner!

[Lord Beerus]

With Zenkais, something Freeza doesn't have access to.

We don't know that yet.

With training only, he went from 8,000 to 90,000; a 11x difference, not even enough for Freeza to achieve Goku's SSJ level in BoG.

If Goku can increase his power level eleven-fold in 6 days, and given that Freeza is also a fighting prodigy, in four month of rigorous training who says his power level can't skyrocket? And remember, his final form is technically his true base form. So 120,000,000 times anything higher than 1000 and Freeza is force to be reckoned with again.

[Lord Beerus]

The better question is; why did they wait so long to do it?

Because we need a new movie with him in it! Yay.

oh god... After seen him in Movie 12, Hatchyack's OVA in 2010, in Episode of Bardock, in Dragon Ball Minus...

Freeza's in every corner!

Well he did mold the plot for Dragon Ball...

[singsing]

Goku went from a power level of 8000 to 150,000,000 in 6 six days.

Just putting that out there.

With Zenkais, something Freeza doesn't have access to. And a transformation.

With training only, he went from 8,000 to 90,000; a 11x difference, not even enough for Freeza to achieve Goku's SSJ level in BoG.

And he still abused zenkai's to get that 8k->90k increase.

[Dyno]

Well he did mold the plot for Dragon Ball...

Not complaining, it is actually kind of funny. Though I would like to see someone new reviving.

[Low Tone G]

I'm not against scenarios for Freeza to catch up with SSJ3 Goku or even beyond(as he states he can defeat him in the blink of a eye) in 4 months. And also, it was stated that Freeza's minions only know about Goku's strength 'till the Buu saga. So it means that Freeza needs to become only as strong as Super Vegetto to one-shot Goku and Trunks. And I'm fine now with comment of Piccolo that Freeza is another league, becuase if Freeza were to have God Ki right then, Piccolo shouldn't have been able to read his power level. I really hope something more will happen that will upgrade Freeza to become a being on par with a God. I'm glad that it turned out that Freeza knew about Beerus.

The only thing that makes me upset is that the whole resurrection doesn't make a sense. It still needs to be explained well enough. How the hell can Freeza's soul renunified in the living world with his body when his soul is still imprisoned in Hell, all with a single wish? Or they had the chance to wish Freeza's soul back with a second wish?

[Doctor.]

I have no idea, you said that before too so I was sitting here wondering if it was just me that was missing out on something.

I messed up somehow but I'm not recalling my thought process at the time lol.

Regardless, now I corrected it. He got 11x stronger and if he trained for 4 months like Freeza will, with consistent boosts, he'd get roughly around 220x stronger, now that's right.

That was really a bad slip by my part.

As far as other increases go Goku got 19x stronger training with King Kai and that was over 4 months wasn't it? Plus he was in a gravity he wasn't adjusted to and had a mentor to specially train.

It's not like Freeza is gonna have a sparring partner.

19x is not thousands, his training is gonna have to be rough.

If Goku can increase his power level eleven-fold in 6 days, and given that Freeza is also a fighting prodigy, in four month of rigorous training who says his power level can't skyrocket? And remember, his final form is technically his true base form. So 120,000,000 times anything higher than 1000 and Freeza is force to be reckoned with again.

Like I said above, if Goku trained for 4 months under the same training with consistent boosts, he'd get around 220x stronger. If you agree that SSJ3 Goku is equal in power to SSJ Gotenks post RoSaT, we're facing a 3200x difference between Boo arc Base Goku and SSJ3 Gotenks. Double that for Super Boo Gotenks and it's still not close to God Goku. Yes, these are just numbers that don't need to be consistent, yes Freeza is a prodigy, but such a big increase is lazy writing.

[Avenged]

I'm not against scenarios for Freeza to catch up with SSJ3 Goku or even beyond(as he states he can defeat him in the blink of a eye) in 4 months. And also, it was stated that Freeza's minions only know about Goku's strength 'till the Buu saga. So it means that Freeza needs to become only as strong as Super Vegetto to one-shot Goku and Trunks. And I'm fine now with comment of Piccolo that Freeza is another league, becuase if Freeza were to have God right then, Piccolo shouldn't have been able to read his power level. I really hope something more will happen that will upgrade Freeza to become a being on par with a God. I'm glad that it turned out that Freeza knew about Beerus.

The only thing that makes me upset is that the whole resurrection doesn't make a sense. It still needs to be explained well enough. How the hell can Freeza's soul renunified in the living world with his body when his soul is still imprisoned in Hell, all with a single wish? Or they had the chance to wish Freeza's soul back with a second wish?

From what I got Freeza may have revived but only his body, not his soul.

[Dyno]

If only Freeza got killed by Kakarot's Kamehameha... Maybe we wouldn't put us to think this far. Lol.

[Hellspawn28]

I do notice that Freeza has a cyborg body in Hell. I have a feeling fans who only follow the anime are going to be confused since the fillers in DBZ and GT had Freeza in his normal body after death.

[Low Tone G]

I'm not against scenarios for Freeza to catch up with SSJ3 Goku or even beyond(as he states he can defeat him in the blink of a eye) in 4 months. And also, it was stated that Freeza's minions only know about Goku's strength 'till the Buu saga. So it means that Freeza needs to become only as strong as Super Vegetto to one-shot Goku and Trunks. And I'm fine now with comment of Piccolo that Freeza is another league, becuase if Freeza were to have God right then, Piccolo shouldn't have been able to read his power level. I really hope something more will happen that will upgrade Freeza to become a being on par with a God. I'm glad that it turned out that Freeza knew about Beerus.

The only thing that makes me upset is that the whole resurrection doesn't make a sense. It still needs to be explained well enough. How the hell can Freeza's soul renunified in the living world with his body when his soul is still imprisoned in Hell, all with a single wish? Or they had the chance to wish Freeza's soul back with a second wish?

From what I got Freeza may have revived but only his body, not his soul.

So how can he have memories, when he is only a body with no soul?

[Dyno]

I do notice that Freeza has a cyborg body in Hell. I have a feeling fans who only follow the anime are going to be confused since the fillers in DBZ and GT had Freeza in his normal body after death.

You bet right, and they will say this is a plothole just like Son Gohan transforming into a Super Saiyan after got the Mystic.

[Doctor.]

I do notice that Freeza has a cyborg body in Hell. I have a feeling fans who only follow the anime are going to be confused since the fillers in DBZ and GT had Freeza in his normal body after death.

That's what you're assuming they'll be confused at? Not that Hell is apparently the home of cute and cuddly angels and teddy bears?