The strongest earthling

[Kamiccolo9]

Did Toriyama himself ever comment that Krillin was the strongest Earthling? Context is important. If it's an in story statement, who says it and to whom does that person say it too.

As for Earthlings, 17 and 18 would be considered Human type Earthlings as both are human (They were modified yes, but born and raised as Human)

Yamcha says that Krillin is the strongest in the world to Marron in the Buu Arc. Immediately after this, he says "among Earthlings, at least," to himself.

Toriyama, in an interview agrees that Krillin is the strongest Earthling male.

The bios for BoG and RoF both describe Krillin as the strongest Earthling.

Finally, in one of the daily blogs for RoF, Krillin's voice actor describes him, twice, as the strongest Earthling.

[SSJ2FutureGohan]

Did Toriyama himself ever comment that Krillin was the strongest Earthling?

Speaking of women who fight, there is No. 18.

Toriyama:
Ah, that’s right. No. 18 becomes Kuririn’s wife in the end.

Nozawa:
Ah, I was surprised at that, too! All the voice actors wondered, “Why did she choose Kuririn?” (laughs)

Toriyama:
Kuririn was originally supposed to be just a minor role, so to have him become Goku’s best friend in the blink of an eye…

Koyama:
Well, he is the strongest Earthling male.

Toriyama:
You’re right, he is the strongest among the Earthlings. But in spite of that, he tends to end up in a bad way, so I thought, “once in a while, I have to let him be happy,” and had him get married. (laughs)

Context is important. If it's an in story statement, who says it and to whom does that person say it too.

Yamcha says it to himself.

As for Earthlings, 17 and 18 would be considered Human type Earthlings as both are human (They were modified yes, but born and raised as Human)

True, but their modifications are something that would set them apart from a regular Earthling, Tenshinhan and Krillin don't have anything that set them apart, or would make one consider that Tenshinhan would be excluded from said statement.

Krillin and Tenshinhan are pure earthlings, no modifications / alien ancestry.

As for the third eye,

(11) What's up with the third eye on my main man Tenshinhan? Is Tenshinhan human?
- Charles Moyer, California; Evan Coltin, Via Internet
Toriyama: "In certain parts of Asia, beings with a third eye on their forehead are thought to be godlike and are said to possess the power of true seeing. It seems that Tenshinhan, who was raised by the evil Tsuru-Sen'nin [Crane Hermit], lost the ability to use the myriad powers of his third eye for good purposes."

Notice how Toriyama doesn't contradict the person and say something like "No, he's not a human."

Also, the only "being" from Asia that Tenshinhan would most likely be based off of is a human.

[jcogginsa]

Did Toriyama himself ever comment that Krillin was the strongest Earthling? Context is important. If it's an in story statement, who says it and to whom does that person say it too.

As for Earthlings, 17 and 18 would be considered Human type Earthlings as both are human (They were modified yes, but born and raised as Human)

Yamcha says that Krillin is the strongest in the world to Marron in the Buu Arc. Immediately after this, he says "among Earthlings, at least," to himself.

Toriyama, in an interview agrees that Krillin is the strongest Earthling male.

The bios for BoG and RoF both describe Krillin as the strongest Earthling.

Finally, in one of the daily blogs for RoF, Krillin's voice actor describes him, twice, as the strongest Earthling.

Well, there are several things wrong with Yamcha's statement. The Chief three are
-Yamcha's never been great at judging power.
-Yamcha has no idea how strong Tien is now
-He's talking to Krillin's daughter.

However, if Toriyama says Krillin is Stronger, then he is. However, i doubt Toriyama was considering 17 or 18 in that judgement. Or Uub for that matter

[TJVY]

I don't understand why people are categorizing 17 and 18 as humans just because their bombs were removed from their chests, they're still cyborgs. Not humans. Even though I would prefer Tien to be the strongest earthling, there is a substantial amount of evidence now that tells us that Krillin is indeed the strongest earthling.

[SSJ2FutureGohan]

Well, there are several things wrong with Yamcha's statement. The Chief three are
-Yamcha's never been great at judging power.
-Yamcha has no idea how strong Tenshinhan is now
-He's talking to Krillin's daughter.

It's Toriyama speaking through his characters. An author wouldn't make a character say something that's just blatantly wrong and never give an indication that it's wrong, if that was the case, Toriyama is a horrible storyteller.

Also, the "among the Earthlings" part of Yamcha's statement was to himself, not to Marron.

[jcogginsa]

Well, there are several things wrong with Yamcha's statement. The Chief three are
-Yamcha's never been great at judging power.
-Yamcha has no idea how strong Tenshinhan is now
-He's talking to Krillin's daughter.

It's Toriyama speaking through his characters. An author wouldn't make a character say something that's just blatantly wrong and never give an indication that it's wrong, if that was the case, Toriyama is a horrible storyteller.

Also, the "among the Earthlings" part of Yamcha's statement was to himself, not to Marron.

Toriyama doesn't think things through very much. When i analyze characters, i try to do it more from an in universe perspective than an out of universe one. Yes, Toriyama may have intended that as stating Krillin is stronger, but that doesn't change the fact that Yamcha's not credible enough to make that statement. If it were Goku, then i'd believe it, since he has the credibility needed to make that claim.

Toriyama himself stating it in an interview is a different story, and i won't refute him there

I don't understand why people are categorizing 17 and 18 as humans just because their bombs were removed from their chests, they're still cyborgs. Not humans. Even though I would prefer Tenshinhan to be the strongest earthling, there is a substantial amount of evidence now that tells us that Krillin is indeed the strongest earthling.

They were human prior to being cyborgs

[SSJ2FutureGohan]

Toriyama doesn't think things through very much. When i analyze characters, i try to do it more from an in universe perspective than an out of universe one. Yes, Toriyama may have intended that as stating Krillin is stronger, but that doesn't change the fact that Yamcha's not credible enough to make that statement. If it were Goku, then i'd believe it, since he has the credibility needed to make that claim.

Well, at the very least, if you want to go down that road, that statement means Cell Games Krillin > Cell Games Tenshinhan, and that's ignoring author's intent.

[singsing]

Did Toriyama himself ever comment that Krillin was the strongest Earthling? Context is important. If it's an in story statement, who says it and to whom does that person say it too.

As for Earthlings, 17 and 18 would be considered Human type Earthlings as both are human (They were modified yes, but born and raised as Human)

Said it in an interview.

[jcogginsa]

Toriyama doesn't think things through very much. When i analyze characters, i try to do it more from an in universe perspective than an out of universe one. Yes, Toriyama may have intended that as stating Krillin is stronger, but that doesn't change the fact that Yamcha's not credible enough to make that statement. If it were Goku, then i'd believe it, since he has the credibility needed to make that claim.

Well, at the very least, if you want to go down that road, that statement means Cell Games Krillin > Cell Games Tenshinhan, and that's ignoring author's intent.

not necessarily. Yamcha's never been that good at sensing PLs.

(As an aside, i personally believe Krillin and Tien are about Even at the Cell games)

[Kamiccolo9]

Toriyama doesn't think things through very much. When i analyze characters, i try to do it more from an in universe perspective than an out of universe one. Yes, Toriyama may have intended that as stating Krillin is stronger, but that doesn't change the fact that Yamcha's not credible enough to make that statement. If it were Goku, then i'd believe it, since he has the credibility needed to make that claim.

Well, at the very least, if you want to go down that road, that statement means Cell Games Krillin > Cell Games Tenshinhan, and that's ignoring author's intent.

not necessarily. Yamcha's never been that good at sensing PLs.

Based on what?

[jcogginsa]

Based on what?

Yamcha frequently underestimates his opponents and gets beaten for it.

[Kamiccolo9]

Based on what?

Yamcha frequently underestimates his opponents and gets beaten for it.

Before he learns to sense ki. When does this happen after the 23rd Budokai?

[jcogginsa]

Based on what?

Yamcha frequently underestimates his opponents and gets beaten for it.

Before he learns to sense ki. When does this happen after the 23rd Budokai?

Saibamen

[DBZAOTA482]

Based on what?

Yamcha frequently underestimates his opponents and gets beaten for it.

Before he learns to sense ki. When does this happen after the 23rd Budokai?

Couldn't he sense ki even back at the 23rd Budokai?

[Kamiccolo9]

Saibamen

He beat the Saibaiman, and was caught off-guard by an attack that caught everybody off-guard. Nobody sensed the Saibaiman until it was too late, so I'm not sure how that diminishes Yamcha's ki sensing abilities.

Couldn't he sense ki even back at the 23rd Budokai?

I don't think anything ever shows us that he could. I always assumed he learned it training with Popo in the Saiyan Arc.
Besides, the only person he fought was Kami, and no one sensed him either.

[DBZAOTA482]

I don't think anything ever shows us that he could. I always assumed he learned it training with Popo in the Saiyan Arc.
Besides, the only person he fought was Kami, and no one sensed him either.

Well, he and Kuririn were both capable of following movement that even Muten Roshi couldn't following. Keep in mind the gap between them wasn't huge at the time.

Maybe they had a rumbinary way of sensing it.

[Hugo Boss]

(11) What's up with the third eye on my main man Tenshinhan? Is Tenshinhan human?
- Charles Moyer, California; Evan Coltin, Via Internet
Toriyama: "In certain parts of Asia, beings with a third eye on their forehead are thought to be godlike and are said to possess the power of true seeing. It seems that Tenshinhan, who was raised by the evil Tsuru-Sen'nin [Crane Hermit], lost the ability to use the myriad powers of his third eye for good purposes."

Notice how Toriyama doesn't contradict the person and say something like "No, he's not a human."

Also, the only "being" from Asia that Tenshinhan would most likely be based off of is a human.

"Being with a third eye" doesn't exactly mean "human". By the way, where is the source of this interview?

[Hitiro]

"Being with a third eye" doesn't exactly mean "human". By the way, where is the source of this interview?

This is something that has been said in our universe too. About meditating to reach enlightenment and opening your third eye. We wouldn't call a person who did that an an alien if he achieved it.

[Hugo Boss]

"Being with a third eye" doesn't exactly mean "human". By the way, where is the source of this interview?

This is something that has been said in our universe too. About meditating to reach enlightenment and opening your third eye. We wouldn't call a person who did that an an alien if he achieved it.

Wasn't Tenshinhan born with a third eye in the first place? The third eye you mentioned is more like a mystical sense than a physical eye itself.

[Hitiro]

Wasn't Tenshinhan born with a third eye in the first place? The third eye you mentioned is more like a mystical sense than a physical eye itself.

I don't know whether he was born with it or not. He may have developed it later on in life. I mean the guy can grow arms. There are some religions that talk of a physical representation of the third eye I believe.