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Eternal Super Saiyan wrote:In my opinion, the only GT character who would be able to defeat Whis or Beerus is Omega Shenron.
In my opinion SSJ4 Goku is about 2x stronger than Beerus and beats Whis by a hair.
fadeddreams5 wrote:Thing with GT is that it doesn't take god ki into account. Every villain and character in that series possesses mortal ki. I don't see a mortal ever reaching the level of power of Beerus, let alone Whis. It's a whole other dimension of strength.
Golden Frieza doesn't have god ki and he almost wins against BSSJ Goku.
"The life is the hardest video games of ever. Because you have only one life and the powers are kinda lame. And sometimes a stage takes years"
"The life is a game, the objective of the game is trying to find the objective of the game, and then, finish the game"
--by Ranely Jr
Would Kaioshit count as 'god ki'? He couldn't be sensed like Beers, and he is a god. If his ki is 'godly ki' or whatever, that would prove a person with normal ki (Buu) could still beat a person with 'godly ki' (Kaioshit).
Sandubadear wrote:
Eternal Super Saiyan wrote:In my opinion, the only GT character who would be able to defeat Whis or Beerus is Omega Shenron.
In my opinion SSJ4 Goku is about 2x stronger than Beerus and beats Whis by a hair.
If SS4 Goku is 2x Beers, he should be stomping Whis.
Goku: 20
Beers: 10
Whis: 15
15/20 = .75 or Whis being 75% of SS4 Goku, in which case the fight would be similar to Vegeta & Recoome.
Sandubadear wrote:
Golden Freeza doesn't have god ki and he almost wins against BSSJ Goku.
This...is a good point. This F movie is such a mess in terms of power levels and consistency...
And lol at Kaioshit.
"Dragon Ball once became a thing of the past to me, but after that, I got angry about the live action movie, re-wrote an entire movie script, and now I'm complaining about the quality of the new TV anime. It seems Dragon Ball has grown on me so much that I can't leave it alone." - Akira Toriyama on Dragon Ball Super
fadeddreams5 wrote:Thing with GT is that it doesn't take god ki into account. Every villain and character in that series possesses mortal ki. I don't see a mortal ever reaching the level of power of Beerus, let alone Whis. It's a whole other dimension of strength.
Golden Freeza doesn't have god ki and he almost wins against BSSJ Goku.
No, he doesn't. Golden Freeza holds his own briefly be he gets his ass kicked by BSSJG Goku, who then practically no-sells 90% of what Freeza throws at him.
Synopsis of the movie (Context - Goku turns into BSSJG and begins to fight Freeza):
Spoiler:
The battle begins in earnest this time, and is much more evenly matched than before. Beerus notes that Vegeta isn’t fighting together with Goku, and that the two of them are just too proud. Beerus calls them both fools, which Whis says is just like the God himself.
As he begins to lose the battle, Goku compliments how amazing Freeza is, to have come so far when it took him so long to get this strong. Freeza is apparently tickled by this, but says it won’t do him any good. It is then, however, that Freeza notices the presence of Beerus, who complains that Freeza is going to get dust all over the food if he doesn’t fight somewhere else.
Goku thinks Freeza should quit while he’s ahead and go home: after all, they’ve spotted his weak point. Freeza is incredulous, but Vegeta pointedly explains that Freeza, consumed with the idea of revenge, probably came to Earth as soon as he achieved his “Golden Freeza” form. He hasn’t had time to get used to it, so it’s rapidly consuming his strength.
After holding him under water for a bit, Freeza sends a volley of energy blasts after Goku, who manages to evade or deflect them all. Finally, Freeza manages to land a solid punch directly to Goku’s face… but Goku is completely unfazed.
Finally, Goku launches a massive Kamehameha at Freeza, which he attempts to repel with a blast of his own. It is no use, however; the tyrant is utterly defeated. As Goku stands above him, Freeza hauls himself up on the water’s edge, erupting in rage and humiliation…
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Akira Toriyama wrote:My policy is to try and forget things once they’re over. Since if I don’t discard the old and focus on what’s new, I’ll overload my brain capacity. I still haven’t lived down going, “Who the heck is Tao Pai-pai?” that one time I was talking with Ei’ichiro Oda-kun. But the fact that there are still people reading the series after all this time… All I can say is; “thank you.” Really, that’s all.
Akira Toriyama wrote:Drawing Dragon Ball again reminded me of two things--how much I love it, and how much I never want to do it again.
Kunzait_83 wrote:And if you're upset because all this new material completely invalidates the tabletop RPG rulebook-sized statistical system and flowchart for the characters' "canonical Power Levels" that you'd been working on painstakingly for the last bunch of years now... well I don't think there's a kind, non-blunt way of saying this, but that's 100% entirely your own misguided fault for buying so deeply into all this nonsensical garbage in the first place. And that you also have IMMENSELY skewed and comically backwards priorities in what you think is most important and needed to make a good Dragon Ball story.
Zephyr wrote:Goodness, they wrote idiotic drivel in a children's cartoon meant to advertise toys!? Again!? For the ninetieth episode in a row!? Somebody stop the presses! We have to voice our concern over these Super important issues!
Kamiccolo9 wrote:Fair enough, I concede. Sean Schemmel probably has some kind of hidden talent. Maybe he is an expert at Minesweeper. You're right; calling him "talentless" wasn't fair.
Michsi wrote: Mon Jul 04, 2022 11:29 amIn Super Piccolo got yelled off the stage by Vegeta in the U6 Tournament arc and lost to Jiminy Cricket in the ToP , he deserved 15 new transformations with his theme song played by Metallica in the background.
fadeddreams5 wrote:Thing with GT is that it doesn't take god ki into account. Every villain and character in that series possesses mortal ki. I don't see a mortal ever reaching the level of power of Beerus, let alone Whis. It's a whole other dimension of strength.
Golden Freeza doesn't have god ki and he almost wins against BSSJ Goku.
No, he doesn't. Gold Freeza gets his ass kicked by BSSJG Goku and practically no-sells 90% of Freeza throws at him.
Doesn't he start winning but loses because his power drains quickly?
"The life is the hardest video games of ever. Because you have only one life and the powers are kinda lame. And sometimes a stage takes years"
"The life is a game, the objective of the game is trying to find the objective of the game, and then, finish the game"
--by Ranely Jr
Sandubadear wrote:Golden Freeza doesn't have god ki and he almost wins against BSSJ Goku.
No, he doesn't. Gold Freeza gets his ass kicked by BSSJG Goku and practically no-sells 90% of Freeza throws at him.
Doesn't he start winning but loses because his power drains quickly?
Synopsis of the movie (Context - Goku turns into BSSJG and begins to fight Golden Freeza):
Spoiler:
The battle begins in earnest this time, and is much more evenly matched than before. Beerus notes that Vegeta isn’t fighting together with Goku, and that the two of them are just too proud. Beerus calls them both fools, which Whis says is just like the God himself.
As he begins to lose the battle, Goku compliments how amazing Freeza is, to have come so far when it took him so long to get this strong. Freeza is apparently tickled by this, but says it won’t do him any good. It is then, however, that Freeza notices the presence of Beerus, who complains that Freeza is going to get dust all over the food if he doesn’t fight somewhere else.
Goku thinks Freeza should quit while he’s ahead and go home: after all, they’ve spotted his weak point. Freeza is incredulous, but Vegeta pointedly explains that Freeza, consumed with the idea of revenge, probably came to Earth as soon as he achieved his “Golden Freeza” form. He hasn’t had time to get used to it, so it’s rapidly consuming his strength.
After holding him under water for a bit, Freeza sends a volley of energy blasts after Goku, who manages to evade or deflect them all. Finally, Freeza manages to land a solid punch directly to Goku’s face… but Goku is completely unfazed.
Finally, Goku launches a massive Kamehameha at Freeza, which he attempts to repel with a blast of his own. It is no use, however; the tyrant is utterly defeated. As Goku stands above him, Freeza hauls himself up on the water’s edge, erupting in rage and humiliation…
Spoiler:
Akira Toriyama wrote:My policy is to try and forget things once they’re over. Since if I don’t discard the old and focus on what’s new, I’ll overload my brain capacity. I still haven’t lived down going, “Who the heck is Tao Pai-pai?” that one time I was talking with Ei’ichiro Oda-kun. But the fact that there are still people reading the series after all this time… All I can say is; “thank you.” Really, that’s all.
Akira Toriyama wrote:Drawing Dragon Ball again reminded me of two things--how much I love it, and how much I never want to do it again.
Kunzait_83 wrote:And if you're upset because all this new material completely invalidates the tabletop RPG rulebook-sized statistical system and flowchart for the characters' "canonical Power Levels" that you'd been working on painstakingly for the last bunch of years now... well I don't think there's a kind, non-blunt way of saying this, but that's 100% entirely your own misguided fault for buying so deeply into all this nonsensical garbage in the first place. And that you also have IMMENSELY skewed and comically backwards priorities in what you think is most important and needed to make a good Dragon Ball story.
Zephyr wrote:Goodness, they wrote idiotic drivel in a children's cartoon meant to advertise toys!? Again!? For the ninetieth episode in a row!? Somebody stop the presses! We have to voice our concern over these Super important issues!
Kamiccolo9 wrote:Fair enough, I concede. Sean Schemmel probably has some kind of hidden talent. Maybe he is an expert at Minesweeper. You're right; calling him "talentless" wasn't fair.
Michsi wrote: Mon Jul 04, 2022 11:29 amIn Super Piccolo got yelled off the stage by Vegeta in the U6 Tournament arc and lost to Jiminy Cricket in the ToP , he deserved 15 new transformations with his theme song played by Metallica in the background.
Sandubadear wrote:@Lord Beerus
I was referring to this in particular.
As he begins to lose the battle, Goku compliments how amazing Freeza is
...
Goku thinks Freeza should quit while he’s ahead and go home
Freeza starts winning, but his power drains quickly and then loses.
Freeza only gains the upper hand against Goku when Sorbet uses his ring to pierce Goku's heart. Prior to that, they fight evenly, the Goku starts to dominate, Freeza begin to fatigue, Sorbet sneak attacks Goku, Freeza takes advantage.
Spoiler:
Akira Toriyama wrote:My policy is to try and forget things once they’re over. Since if I don’t discard the old and focus on what’s new, I’ll overload my brain capacity. I still haven’t lived down going, “Who the heck is Tao Pai-pai?” that one time I was talking with Ei’ichiro Oda-kun. But the fact that there are still people reading the series after all this time… All I can say is; “thank you.” Really, that’s all.
Akira Toriyama wrote:Drawing Dragon Ball again reminded me of two things--how much I love it, and how much I never want to do it again.
Kunzait_83 wrote:And if you're upset because all this new material completely invalidates the tabletop RPG rulebook-sized statistical system and flowchart for the characters' "canonical Power Levels" that you'd been working on painstakingly for the last bunch of years now... well I don't think there's a kind, non-blunt way of saying this, but that's 100% entirely your own misguided fault for buying so deeply into all this nonsensical garbage in the first place. And that you also have IMMENSELY skewed and comically backwards priorities in what you think is most important and needed to make a good Dragon Ball story.
Zephyr wrote:Goodness, they wrote idiotic drivel in a children's cartoon meant to advertise toys!? Again!? For the ninetieth episode in a row!? Somebody stop the presses! We have to voice our concern over these Super important issues!
Kamiccolo9 wrote:Fair enough, I concede. Sean Schemmel probably has some kind of hidden talent. Maybe he is an expert at Minesweeper. You're right; calling him "talentless" wasn't fair.
Michsi wrote: Mon Jul 04, 2022 11:29 amIn Super Piccolo got yelled off the stage by Vegeta in the U6 Tournament arc and lost to Jiminy Cricket in the ToP , he deserved 15 new transformations with his theme song played by Metallica in the background.
Sandubadear wrote:@Lord Beerus
I was referring to this in particular.
As he begins to lose the battle, Goku compliments how amazing Freeza is
...
Goku thinks Freeza should quit while he’s ahead and go home
Freeza starts winning, but his power drains quickly and then loses.
Freeza only gains the upper hand against Goku when Sorbet uses his ring to pierce Goku's heart. Prior to that, they fight evenly, the Goku starts to dominate, Freeza begin to fatigue, Sorbet sneak attacks Goku, Freeza takes advantage.
Then why did Julian write "as he begins to lose the battle..."? This was before the ring pierce.
"The life is the hardest video games of ever. Because you have only one life and the powers are kinda lame. And sometimes a stage takes years"
"The life is a game, the objective of the game is trying to find the objective of the game, and then, finish the game"
--by Ranely Jr
Dyno wrote:Evil Bardock vs Chilled and all his soldiers.
Isn't Evil Bardock some absurdly OP levels of power? Regular Bardock could already do it, this is like Superman Prime 1 Million vs Ant levels of stomp.
I don't know precisely in Dragon Ball Online about his power level, but in Dragon Ball Heroes Evil Bardock is stronger than even Super Saiyan 4 Kakarot.
If Gohan wasn't anywhere near Fat Buu, Goku would've immediately shot down the sentiment of Gohan being greater than Fat Buu. But Goku actually ponders on it, implying the gap between Gohan and Buu isn't that big.
