Would you like to see Marron and Bra become Z Fighters?

[chaosakita]

I say why not. I don't know if we will get any sort of material covering what happens after the last episode of Z, but I think it would be cool to see something indicating that they do some amount of training in the future.

[BananaxStealth]

I say why not. I don't know if we will get any sort of material covering what happens after the last episode of Z, but I think it would be cool to see something indicating that they do some amount of training in the future.

Something like that would be big character development and also adding on to a great story

[SSJ God Gogeta]

Sure, I think it could be pretty interesting.

[Lord Beerus]

Hell yeah, I wanna see Marron and Bra become Z-Fighters. Dragon Ball really to stop enforcing the Smurfette Principle and bolster the cast with more action girls.

[Gyt Kaliba]

I'd be fine if they didn't become like, core fighters, or anything, but I can't imagine they wouldn't at least be able to learn to defend themselves somewhat.

[Valerius Dover]

Oh, yeah, definitely. Marron and Bulla don't get enough screentime overall. Bulla is actually more Saiyan than Pan is, while Marron has TWO fighters as parents, one being an Android. So, I would certainly like to see them get in on the action as well. Let's face it. Dragon Ball is kind of a sausagefest.

[fexus]

Sure, the more the merrier. Just don't let Bra become like the Bra in DBM.

[Saiga]

Bra I could see, but not Marron. The human fighters really fell out of relevance and attempts to bring them back have been really shallow. Also, if Marron was to become a relevant fighter ahead of the other humans, it'd kind of make them look bad. She's only human just like them, so why should she outstrip them? I have the same problem with Videl becoming a prominent fighter. It'd require her to outdo people of the same race, who spent their lives training themselves. Frankly it wouldn't make a whole lot of sense to me.

Pan and Bra would work a bit better for me, because the Saiyans sort of set an example of successive generations improving greatly, and they can ride on the coattails of Goten and Trunks' easy power without stretching logic at all.

But for Marron, even if you justified catching her up to the Earthlings, she'd be waaaay off being a relevant fighter. So her being trained in martial arts wouldn't end up mattering much.

[fexus]

Bra I could see, but not Marron. The human fighters really fell out of relevance and attempts to bring them back have been really shallow. Also, if Marron was to become a relevant fighter ahead of the other humans, it'd kind of make them look bad. She's only human just like them, so why should she outstrip them? I have the same problem with Videl becoming a prominent fighter. It'd require her to outdo people of the same race, who spent their lives training themselves. Frankly it wouldn't make a whole lot of sense to me.

Pan and Bra would work a bit better for me, because the Saiyans sort of set an example of successive generations improving greatly, and they can ride on the coattails of Goten and Trunks' easy power without stretching logic at all.

But for Marron, even if you justified catching her up to the Earthlings, she'd be waaaay off being a relevant fighter. So her being trained in martial arts wouldn't end up mattering much.

Becoming Z fighters doesn't mean they suddenly become better fighters than the current Z fighters. They just now know how to fight too.

[Doctor.]

I'd be happy with Pan alone. The way Bulla and Marron were portrayed during the few seconds of screentime they got each, they don't really have that fighter vibe.

[Saiga]

Bra I could see, but not Marron. The human fighters really fell out of relevance and attempts to bring them back have been really shallow. Also, if Marron was to become a relevant fighter ahead of the other humans, it'd kind of make them look bad. She's only human just like them, so why should she outstrip them? I have the same problem with Videl becoming a prominent fighter. It'd require her to outdo people of the same race, who spent their lives training themselves. Frankly it wouldn't make a whole lot of sense to me.

Pan and Bra would work a bit better for me, because the Saiyans sort of set an example of successive generations improving greatly, and they can ride on the coattails of Goten and Trunks' easy power without stretching logic at all.

But for Marron, even if you justified catching her up to the Earthlings, she'd be waaaay off being a relevant fighter. So her being trained in martial arts wouldn't end up mattering much.

Becoming Z fighters doesn't mean they suddenly become better fighters than the current Z fighters. They just now know how to fight too.

If they don't do that much, what would it amount to? If they have no relevance, there doesn't seem to be much point except to say there are more female fighters.

Well, I don't think it counts for dick unless those female fighters are also relevant.

[fexus]

Bra I could see, but not Marron. The human fighters really fell out of relevance and attempts to bring them back have been really shallow. Also, if Marron was to become a relevant fighter ahead of the other humans, it'd kind of make them look bad. She's only human just like them, so why should she outstrip them? I have the same problem with Videl becoming a prominent fighter. It'd require her to outdo people of the same race, who spent their lives training themselves. Frankly it wouldn't make a whole lot of sense to me.

Pan and Bra would work a bit better for me, because the Saiyans sort of set an example of successive generations improving greatly, and they can ride on the coattails of Goten and Trunks' easy power without stretching logic at all.

But for Marron, even if you justified catching her up to the Earthlings, she'd be waaaay off being a relevant fighter. So her being trained in martial arts wouldn't end up mattering much.

Becoming Z fighters doesn't mean they suddenly become better fighters than the current Z fighters. They just now know how to fight too.

If they don't do that much, what would it amount to? If they have no relevance, there doesn't seem to be much point except to say there are more female fighters.

Well, I don't think it counts for dick unless those female fighters are also relevant.

What? They need to be relevant? I didn't know that. Sorry.

[Blade]

I think Toriyama's biggest failing in Dragonball was that, increasingly in later volumes, character relevance became almost exclusively correlated to in-Universe strength. Whilst there are obvious examples of him trying to re-purpose supporting characters into relevant roles, such as Piccolo's transition from front-line warrior to mentor in the Buu arc, there's this general pitfall that he continued to fall into whereby the only characters getting any page-space other than the ones with the most power are essentially gag characters, such as Mr Satan.

I think in general, Toriyama has always found this balance to be particularly taxing, even going as far back as the 23rd Tenkaichi Budokai, whereby at that point, Launch is utterly superfluous as a narrative construct, and it is only via a superficial, and somewhat bewilderingly tacked-on, infatuation for Tenshinhan, that Toriyama goes any way to even remotely attempt to justify the ink she is committed to paper with.

Unfortunately, the downfall of Toriyama in this regard seems to have ingrained itself into more or less everyone else who has written for the franchise, breeding a hapless culture of inability to make characters genuinely interesting or important in ways other than transformations and lurid feats of strength. They tried to do something with Pan and Giru in Dragonball GT, but despite the best of intentions, fell much harder into the trench of habit than, arguably, Toriyama ever came close to, by essentially finding themselves in a writing situation where an all-powerful Goku was the only relevant character.

Admittedly, I've taken a bit of a round-about journey to get to the point, but I'd love for Marron and Bra to become important characters - but I'd like it to be off the back of imaginative writing, not just by making them ridiculously powerful by in-Universe standards.

And no, just for the record, I don't regard the idea of introducing weak, fodder-class villains for supporting protagonists to shine against an example of imaginative writing. I'm sure the scenes in RoF will be fun to watch, but they're surely nothing more than skin-deep moments of fanservice. That's not a sustainable writing premise.

[soulnova]

I have said it several times before... I would love some kind of miniseries with Uub, Pan and Bra... I would love to have Marron in there too.


I know Marron might not have the same fighting potential as the others, but she could simply look out for the girls... trying to keep them out of trouble.

[TheGreatness25]

If a movie was done post-GT or when they're a bit older, sure. But I don't see Marron nor Bra being fighters given what we see throughout the end of Z.

[Tyro]

I think in general, Toriyama has always found this balance to be particularly taxing, even going as far back as the 23rd Tenkaichi Budokai, whereby at that point, Launch is utterly superfluous as a narrative construct, and it is only via a superficial, and somewhat bewilderingly tacked-on, infatuation for Tenshinhan, that Toriyama goes any way to even remotely attempt to justify the ink she is committed to paper with.

It's funny that you use Lunch at the 23rd Tenkaichi Budokai as an example of her superfluousness, because she actually appears over twice as often in this arc than any time before it (~76% of chapters vs. ~35% of chapters in the Piccolo Daimao arc). Another way of looking at it is that she appeared in more chapters in this arc alone than in the 21st Tenkaichi Budokai arc, Red Ribbon Army arc, and 22nd Tenkaichi Budokai arcs combined.

This is just a fun fact I wanted to throw out there. I don't disagree with your point that her character was pointless by that time, and it's definitely a reason why Toriyama wrote her off in the following arc (even if it possibly wasn't going to be permanent situation). I think we can all agree that the only time she had even the slightest significance to the story was her initial appearance. I just think it's funny that Lunch was around now more than ever before right before she gets the boot.

[soulnova]

If a movie was done post-GT or when they're a bit older, sure. But I don't see Marron nor Bra being fighters given what we see throughout the end of Z.

Bra still has the most potential. If we take BoG and RoF as reference, Bra should be around 3 years old at EoZ. Her one official line is "try not to kill him" (to Pan during her match). The girl knows they are far stronger than common people. I would say that even if Vegeta hasn't trained her seriously at that point, she would nonetheless get the basics down.

[DBZAOTA482]

I think in general, Toriyama has always found this balance to be particularly taxing, even going as far back as the 23rd Tenkaichi Budokai, whereby at that point, Launch is utterly superfluous as a narrative construct, and it is only via a superficial, and somewhat bewilderingly tacked-on, infatuation for Tenshinhan, that Toriyama goes any way to even remotely attempt to justify the ink she is committed to paper with.

It's funny that you use Lunch at the 23rd Tenkaichi Budokai as an example of her superfluousness, because she actually appears over twice as often in this arc than any time before it (~76% of chapters vs. ~35% of chapters in the Piccolo Daimao arc). Another way of looking at it is that she appeared in more chapters in this arc alone than in the 21st Tenkaichi Budokai arc, Red Ribbon Army arc, and 22nd Tenkaichi Budokai arcs combined.

This is just a fun fact I wanted to throw out there. I don't disagree with your point that her character was pointless by that time, and it's definitely a reason why Toriyama wrote her off in the following arc (even if it possibly wasn't going to be permanent situation). I think we can all agree that the only time she had even the slightest significance to the story was her initial appearance. I just think it's funny that Lunch was around now more than ever before right before she gets the boot.

There was actually a point to Lunch's character?

Anyways, I'd definitely like to see Bra as a Z-Senshi. Like what Saiga said, Marron would be irrelevant very quickly.

[Chuquita]

Re: OT

Yes! X3 Bra more so, she'd be so cool. X3 I wanna see how much she takes after Vegeta.
Marron would also be fun, but I feel she'd be more 'older sister' in the tropes way.

[Polyphase Avatron]

Would Marron be trained by her parents, or someone else?