BoG/Rof & GT are not in the same universe.

[Basaku]

The only reason people want to believe GT isn't within the same continuity of the Z manga and BOG & ROF events/characters is because those events aren't referenced in none of GT's sagas.

There are references and there are things like blue SSJ hair that change the look of characters which is absent from GT.

[Hellspawn28]

Everything needs to be reference once in order to happen. Villains like Cell and Freeza are references more then once while characters like Broli and Bojack are never seen or mention again in the anime.

[Demon187]

Did anyone forget that neither BoG nor the new movie show or mention Uub anywhere........
and he's definitely canon.

[Cipher]

Did anyone forget that neither BoG nor the new movie show or mention Uub anywhere........
and he's definitely canon.

They both take place before Goku meets Oob.

[Kamiccolo9]

Everything needs to be reference once in order to happen. Villains like Cell and Freeza are references more then once while characters like Broli and Bojack are never seen or mention again in the anime.

That doesn't make sense.

The farmer with the shotgun is never mentioned again. Does he not exist?

[Cipher]

The farmer with the shotgun is never mentioned again. Does he not exist?

Kami is dead.

State is the name of the coldest of all cold monsters.

[Hellspawn28]

Everything needs to be reference once in order to happen. Villains like Cell and Freeza are references more then once while characters like Broli and Bojack are never seen or mention again in the anime.

That doesn't make sense.

The farmer with the shotgun is never mentioned again. Does he not exist?

Farmer is different since he is a very small character that is made to be killed off by Radditz. Characters like Broli have a major part in the story since he killed billions in the South Galaxy and the South Galaxy was nearly wiped out. Kaioshin talked about how Freeza is nothing to Buu but no one brought up Broli when Kaioshin was talking about how deadly Buu is. Vegeta would have mention on how Broli did a similar thing what Buu did and how they stop him several years ago. Goku didn't mention Bojack and Broli in the Buu saga when Gohan was about to fight Dabra. Goku brought up on how they defeated Cell and how Gohan strong he was when he defeated Cell. Goku knows Broli and Bojack where defeated by Gohan. Goku didn't seem to compare Dabra's power compare to Broli and Bojack. I can understand the manga not making references to the movies but I would think the anime would.

So if event of the series is never mention again then it never happens. That's why Star Trek fans don't view Star Trek V as canon since the movies from ST6-STN never mention it. The same can go with Dragon Ball since every major and even minor character is mention once like Tarble. I would find it odd that someone like Broli, who killed billions is never mention ever again while Freeza and Cell brought up more then once.

[Kamiccolo9]

No. That is not true at all.

Like, I can't even wrap my head around this kind of logic. There are plenty of reasons why the movies can't fit, whether it's timeline problems, or flat-out contradictions, or whatnot.

A character doesn't have to reference previous events for them to be counted. What's more, the series only shows us a few days of these guys' lives. For all we know, they do sit around moping about Broly when nothing else is going on.

[Zephyr]

Just because they aren't referenced, it does not necessarily follow that they did not happen. They could simply have not been mentioned for reasons X, Y, or Z.

Now, you can certainly use the fact that they aren't referenced as evidence that they did not happen (meaning that it helps to provide the foundation for a strong inductive argument), but you can't treat it as proof (and subsequently a premise in a deductive argument) because there explanations one could provide that do not logically contradict anything.

In other words, it's reasonable to treat them not being referenced as evidence for them not having existed, but it's also reasonable to not treat their lack of being referenced as any sort of proof that they never existed.

[Confidence Matters]

Canon refers to anything the head(s) of the series produce, unless noted otherwise.

In the Dragon Ball Universe, the way head(s) of the series say a material is canon is by strictly stating the material's plot's timeline placement via official statement. They don't come out and say "yah brah this is canon." They just say "This takes place in/between/after/etc." Those words are the ONLY determining factor that dictates the continuity AND the canonicity of new DB Material.

Lack of timeline placement makes the material void of continuity AND of canon.

However, if the head(s) of the series refer to something as a side-story (which is an example of a head noting otherwise), it does nothing to its continuity because its plot placement has already been dictated.

Like GT. Akira says clearly it takes place after the Z manga. But called it a side-story.

With the movies, none of them were ever stated to take place in ANY time period, ever, by anyone.

As for which material GT is a continuation from - the Z anime or Z manga - it's irrelevant. Dragon Ball Z Kai and the Dragon Ball Z Manga are pretty close, so either continuation is fine (I'm aware DBZ Kai still has its fair share of fuckery, but the material is MUCH, MUCH closer to the manga, isn't? I would love to read a comparison in both dialog and material between the original manga and Kai). The new movies BOG & ROF still take place in between the 10 year time skip in the anime.

[Duo]

If you don't want GT to matter to the story, then it's as simple as saying "I only care about material that has been touched by the original author". That doesn't make your preferred continuity better than any other fan of the series.

I don't care for GT, and I do think the new films push more problems into trying to include it, but if you really want to make them work together, go for it. The new movies haven't added all that many more hoops to jump through than the series already gives to itself.

Though this isn't directly relevant, I feel more comfortable taking a stand against the old movies than I do against GT being in some version of the main continuity. I love many of the old movies, but outside a couple of them, there's just no way ever.

[Bacon Skittles]

Also if Revival of F and GT were in the same canon, then Freeza should have been considerably stronger than Goku when he fought him in hell since Goku has no such God Ki in GT. He can barely maintain Super Saiyan 3. It would have made sense for Cell then to absorb Freeza. Not to mention that Freeza could then certainly turn Golden Form while he fought Goku.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

Battle of Gods takes place in the same continuity with GT according to the official timeline in Chozenshuu #4 & Dragon Ball XenoVerse, and Ressurection F is BoG's sequel.

However, Toriyama is ignoring everything but the manga, JSAT, and Jaco in his new movies, and Toei made GT before BoG & FnF were even ideas, which is why there are contradictions in them.

So... you either accept them together (and explain the contradictions in you mind), or you ignore one of them (or both ).

[Bacon Skittles]

I wouldn't count Xenoverse as a credible source. Also Toriyama made the series, anything he says or does can override the canon at any given moment. Dragon Ball Minus replaced the first Bardock special, Online/BoG & RoF replace GT. Plus GT is more of a continuation of a canon where the anime and movies 1-13 all exist together flawlessly.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

I wouldn't count Xenoverse as a credible source. Also Toriyama made the series, anything he says or does can override the canon at any given moment. Dragon Ball Minus replaced the first Bardock special, Online/BoG & RoF replace GT. Plus GT is more of a continuation of a canon where the anime and movies 1-13 all exist together flawlessly.

The thing is, we don't have a canon. Toriyama has his personal opinions on this, but he hasn't made his opinions laws. He isn't like "this & that didn't happen", he is like "I don't think that this & that happened, so I'll ignore them, but you can do whatever you want". If Toei would make a sequel of FnF without Toriyama, and they were to have Broli as the bad guy, Toriyama wouldn't stop them and say "what are you doing, this isn't canon!", he would say "well, this happened, but as the author, I don't think it happened".

[Basaku]

The thing is, we don't have a canon. Toriyama has his personal opinions on this, but he hasn't made his opinions laws.

But Toei does. And they take whatever Toriyama has been coming up with recently and label it with official canon stamp.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

The thing is, we don't have a canon. Toriyama has his personal opinions on this, but he hasn't made his opinions laws.

But Toei does. And they take whatever Toriyama has been coming up with recently and label it with official canon stamp.

Why haven't I seen it yet?

[rereboy]

But Toei does.

No, it doesn't. Toei has never declared what is canon and isn't in Dragon Ball.

[Confidence Matters]

I wouldn't count Xenoverse as a credible source. Also Toriyama made the series, anything he says or does can override the canon at any given moment. Dragon Ball Minus replaced the first Bardock special, Online/BoG & RoF replace GT. Plus GT is more of a continuation of a canon where the anime and movies 1-13 all exist together flawlessly.

Nothing replaced GT because an official series after Z has not been made yet.

[Barunks]

I just want to see a crossover between these two continuities so bad.