kid buu: the theories part 3

[Confidence Matters]

Herms doesn't suggest that at all, especially based on the context of that line, and that line only without any other line that comes before or after. That's an issue with just having battle power-related lines.

Chapter: 508 (DBZ 314), P4.2-7
Kaioshin: “In m…my era there were five Kaioshins…until they were defeated by the Majin Boo that the wizard Babidi created…I was the youngest and most powerless one, but I somehow survived, with only heavy injuries…But the other four fell to Boo…First, two were killed…the North Kaioshin and the West Kaioshin….And then the South Kaioshin, the burliest and strongest one, was…somehow absorbed by Boo….. “
Elder Kaioshin: …And he became that huge Boo from before? “
Kaioshin: “…Yes…Next to be absorbed was the fat but kind and gentle Dai-Kaioshin….The Majin Boo that Bibidi created was evil itself, a failed creation that even Bibidi himself couldn’t handle, but by absorbing the Dai-Kaioshin, he somehow become controllable…. “
Elder Kaioshin: “…So he was finally completed…Which is to say…that this current…small Majin Boo…is the initial…mo…most troublesome one…”
Kaioshin: “….Yes…the heart which he gained by going so far as to lower his power through absorption…has returned once again to the way it was…he has no self-control whatsoever…he has become evil itself…”


Yes, Herms does suggest that. The line that isn't in the Viz clearly says that one or more of the absorptions lowered his power. In the Viz translation it mentions nothing of the Kaioshin lowering Boo's power. Only taming his evil side.

"the heart which he gained by going so far as to lower his power through absorption"
"the heart which he gained by going so far as to lower his power through absorption"
"the heart which he gained by going so far as to lower his power through absorption"
"the heart which he gained by going so far as to lower his power through absorption

You said here that Herms' definitely suggested one of the kais lowered his powers. Herms doesn't suggest ANYTHING at all here, since "absorption" can either mean 1 of the kais or BOTH of the kais. No one knows. So once again, NO Herms doesn't suggest neither BOTH kais lowered Boo's power, nor only 1 kai lowered his power.

This is what I've been saying, if you bother to read not skim. That line is too vague and inconclusive. Not to mention unofficial. so the OFFICIAL VizBig line stating that both souls TAMED Boo (which in this OBVIOUS context means weakened, as you just pointed out and underlined for me here: "the heart which he gained by going so far as to lower his power through absorption") takes precedence over it and states Kid Boo is stronger than Buff Boo, who is stronger than Super Boo.

In context it means nothing but taming his evil spirit. No power decrease is ever stated. You're the one who said that S. Kaioshin isn't stated to increase or decrease Boo's power therefore he doesn't do anything. So why is it when something isn't stated you get to make assumptions? Yet when anybody else does it they're wrong and you are right?

The context is WAY established when we understand that Fat Boo is objectively Kid Boo but with a weaker ki due to the kai's influence. Thus, yes a power decrease IS established upon TAMING, otherwise you are saying that Fat Boo is a strong or stronger than Kid Boo, which is absolutely asinine to say the least.

But please attempt to make this argument. Please.

Sorry. But you're arguing that Herms translations are wrong because their unofficial. But then when I try to make a point with "official" translations you don't seem to like it. Because all it does is prove that you can't listen to reason and can't even look at his subject objectively. I've seen you dodge points and try to work around stated facts by saying things like "Oh! He's lying." I think you need to think more about your own opinion here because you're on the losing end, lol.

Show me where I said Herms' lines are wrong. That was never stated. Now you're making things up? lol. I strictly stated that Herms' line is FAR too vague and inconclusive, and thus the VizBig ed. line takes precedence BY DEFAULT. No one in here has disagreed with this. You can't disagree with facts. As for you using VizBig lines... do you really want to take it there? There is a multitude of lines that concretely proves Kid Boo is greater than Goku, and that Kid Boo is greater than Buff Boo who is stronger than Super Boo. And the VizBig lines also eliminates the only piece of solid evidence against this all - Goku's whole dialog about "we need to weaken Boo/we did it! now we can manage something."

Therefore, now that you acknowledge VizBig edition lines to be concrete and factual (otherwise you wouldn't have resorted to using them to prove your points, now, eh), you now agree with the VizBig manga which CLEARLY states Kid Bo is superior to Super Boo.

Thank you. Was that so hard? Welcome aboard to reality, my friend.

Or, taming just means that S. Kaioshin made Boo kinder and not weakened him. Why are you assuming that it made him weaker for? Unless you've got a line from the manga to prove it I suggest you drop this point. Because all you're doing here is applying your opinion. The only line that could even possibly suggest S. Kaioshin weakened Boo is the very line you say is "unofficial."

You're going to love this one, check it out:

You're arguing that since it isn't noted/stated anywhere that S. Kaioshin WEAKENED Boo, then I have no case for that point - I would only be assuming. I agree!!! It isn't stated anywhere, you are 100% correct. You know what else isn't stated anywhere? That S. Kaioshin INCREASED Kid Boo's strength upon absorption. So by your own logic... . .

You said S. Kaioshin made Boo kinder, not weakened him - Meaning, at the very least if he didn't weaken Kid Boo upon being absorbed (because as you just said it isn't noted/stated anywhere), and S. Kai didn't STRENGTHENED Kid Boo (because as you argued it isn't noted/stated anywhere neither), then by default Kid Boo is equal to Buff Boo. And Buff Boo is established universally to be stronger than Super Boo.

WHAM, BAM, THANK YOU!



IF S. Kai increased Kid Boo's strength, then since S. Kai was stated to be the strongest Kai, that would make Dai Kai EASY work for Boo and not a worthy opponent, much less a worthy absorption. And it's not like Dai Kai was only a degree or two weaker than S. Kai - it would have been noted that S. Kai and Dai Kai were near in power - it wasn't, S. Kai was the only one noted to stand out in power.

And we know for a fact that Boo only activates absorption when he meets a dangerous fighter that jeopardizes Boo, so the fact that he resorted to absorbing Dai Kaioshin as Buff Boo means that Buff Boo (Kid Boo + S. Kaiosin) was a degree weaker than Dai Kaioshin. For that to be remotely possible, S. Kai would either have to weaken Kid Boo's ki, or at the very least just not affect Kid Boo's ki at all.


You have the itch right now to go back to when Elder Kai said something like "up till now, the warriors Boo has absorbed has changed his strength and appearance," to which Kibito Kai agreed finding it strange that nothing happened to Boo's strength or appearance upon absorbing Vegito, which you would probably argue "HA that means everyone else but Dai Kai did something to his strength" but let me end that by saying that it is MORE than established that the warriors Elder Kai was strictly referring to were Gotenks/Trunks?Gotenk, Gohan and Piccolo, not the Kais, because Elder hadn't known about the Kais who fell to Boo yet.

And Kibito Kai finding no change in strength & appearance in Boo after absorbing Vegito strange was strictly in the case of the WARRIORS' absorption, not the Kais'. Kais and warriors are established to be 2 ENTIRELY different beings and cases.


or rather, here's that dialog from the VizBig edition, since we're on that basis:

Elder Kai: "Don't you find it odd? Boo transformed every time he absorbed someone... ...but this time..."

Kibito Kai: "He hasn't changed! What does it mean?!"

I've been providing you with lines from Viz. The fact is that in VizBig edition it says both souls tamed(Not weakened, weakening is never mentioned that is your own biased opinion shining through.) Boo.

Indeed you have my friend. Indeed you have! Which means that since you just proved S. kai did NOT weaken Boo and just made him kinder, nor did he strengthened Boo, so by default Kid Boo = Buff Boo > Super Boo.

[Confidence Matters]

How do you know that he doesn't have to build up to that Ki?

Because that isn't noted nor stated anywhere. You would be speculating.

Whatever you feel comfortable with, let's pretend that he had to gather Ki beyond his maximum strength. Doesn't change that he could beat him after gathering his Ki.

NOPE, HE TRIED THAT AND FAILED, thus he couldn't have ever beaten Kid Boo on his own. It was impossible for Goku to reach the level high enough to wipe Boo out. Therefore his statements about being able to kill Boo on his own are false - arrogance and saiyan pride.

He had lost Ki once before. So during the fight against Pure Boo, if you believe he started the fight at 100%, he didn't provide a Kamehameha at the right level to finish Boo and from there at some point he began losing Ki. Had he charged the Kamehameha to the correct level then he would have been fine.

You are arguing that Goku simply needed to get back to full power and fire an attack at that power, yet when I prove Goku already tried that at the very beginning (Goku even says "I've been tryin' to..."), you're saying the KMHMH wasn't at the right levl.

Damn right it wasn't, that's because GOKU max level wasn't at the right level to even hurt Kid Boo, let alone kill him. He attempted to charge to a level beyond and it was proven impossible. He reverted back to normal. All the more proof Goku wasn't fit to ever take on any Boo. Thus he was over his head, as he admitted, just to look cool to Vegeta.

Goku would have to use some sort of Ki attack to finish Boo.

He did. Twice. One at full power, as he said he would do. And still nothing.

[Darkprince410]

Indeed you have my friend. Indeed you have! Which means that since you just proved S. kai did NOT weaken Boo and just made him kinder, nor did he strengthened Boo, so by default Kid Boo = Buff Boo > Super Boo.

Well, since you're solely following Viz's dialogue, given Viz's dialogue says that every time he's absorbed "someone" not just "warriors", and that Kibitoshin agreed with Rou Kaioushin saying it, that means that according to Kibitoshin, absorptions normally make him stronger, and Dai Kaioushin (as he stated later) was the exception, so South Kaioushin also made him stronger. As such, it's in contradiction with itself.

Therefore, now that you acknowledge VizBig edition lines to be concrete and factual (otherwise you wouldn't have resorted to using them to prove your points, now, eh), you now agree with the VizBig manga which CLEARLY states Kid Bo is superior to Super Boo.

That's not why he was using them. He was using them because you're refusing to listen or acknowledge Herms' translations over Viz's, even though Viz's has been established in here to have their own errors and liberties taken in comparison to the original dialogue. Likewise, as pointed out above, given Viz's dialogue, South Kaioushin both made him stronger and tamed him, which means that it's in error with itself, and thus cannot be taken as fact.

You are arguing that Goku simply needed to get back to full power and fire an attack at that power, yet when I prove Goku already tried that at the very beginning (Goku even says "I've been tryin' to..."), you're saying the KMHMH wasn't at the right levl.

Because in the more accurate version of the dialogue, he stated he hadn't had a chance to try yet, and had simply been thinking about it.

[Hitiro]

Herms doesn't suggest that at all, especially based on the context of that line, and that line only without any other line that comes before or after. That's an issue with just having battle power-related lines.

Chapter: 508 (DBZ 314), P4.2-7
Kaioshin: “In m…my era there were five Kaioshins…until they were defeated by the Majin Boo that the wizard Babidi created…I was the youngest and most powerless one, but I somehow survived, with only heavy injuries…But the other four fell to Boo…First, two were killed…the North Kaioshin and the West Kaioshin….And then the South Kaioshin, the burliest and strongest one, was…somehow absorbed by Boo….. “
Elder Kaioshin: …And he became that huge Boo from before? “
Kaioshin: “…Yes…Next to be absorbed was the fat but kind and gentle Dai-Kaioshin….The Majin Boo that Bibidi created was evil itself, a failed creation that even Bibidi himself couldn’t handle, but by absorbing the Dai-Kaioshin, he somehow become controllable…. “
Elder Kaioshin: “…So he was finally completed…Which is to say…that this current…small Majin Boo…is the initial…mo…most troublesome one…”
Kaioshin: “….Yes…the heart which he gained by going so far as to lower his power through absorption…has returned once again to the way it was…he has no self-control whatsoever…he has become evil itself…”


Yes, Herms does suggest that. The line that isn't in the Viz clearly says that one or more of the absorptions lowered his power. In the Viz translation it mentions nothing of the Kaioshin lowering Boo's power. Only taming his evil side.

"the heart which he gained by going so far as to lower his power through absorption"
"the heart which he gained by going so far as to lower his power through absorption"
"the heart which he gained by going so far as to lower his power through absorption"
"the heart which he gained by going so far as to lower his power through absorption

You said here that Herms' definitely suggested one of the kais lowered his powers. Herms doesn't suggest ANYTHING at all here, since "absorption" can either mean 1 of the kais or BOTH of the kais. No one knows. So once again, NO Herms doesn't suggest neither BOTH kais lowered Boo's power, nor only 1 kai lowered his power.

Yes. It suggests at least one Kaioshin lowered his power. I don't even know what you're talking about here.

This is what I've been saying, if you bother to read not skim. That line is too vague and inconclusive. Not to mention unofficial. so the OFFICIAL VizBig line stating that both souls TAMED Boo (which in this OBVIOUS context means weakened, as you just pointed out and underlined for me here: "the heart which he gained by going so far as to lower his power through absorption") takes precedence over it and states Kid Boo is stronger than Buff Boo, who is stronger than Super Boo.

If you bothered to read then yes, the line does suggest at least one Kaioshin lowered Boo's power. I don't understand why that is so hard to get. Going by the "official" statement in the VizBig's Boo's heart was only tamed. No mention of him being weakened. All I'm doing is following your example. Nothing is said about them weakening Boo so it didn't happen. Thanks.

The context is WAY established when we understand that Fat Boo is objectively Kid Boo but with a weaker ki due to the kai's influence. Thus, yes a power decrease IS established upon TAMING, otherwise you are saying that Fat Boo is a strong or stronger than Kid Boo, which is absolutely asinine to say the least.

Only Mr. Boo(Only represents the Kaioshins) is weaker than Pure Boo. Fat Boo(The Kaioshin's and Pure Boo put together.) never thought Pure Boo. So your context isn't established. Thus the only thing that is truly established to happen with the Kaioshin is their hearts tamed Boo. Meaning anything could happen with increases or decreased to Boo's strength. Thanks.

Show me where I said Herms' lines are wrong. That was never stated. Now you're making things up? lol. I strictly stated that Herms' line is FAR too vague and inconclusive, and thus the VizBig ed. line takes precedence BY DEFAULT. No one in here has disagreed with this. You can't disagree with facts. As for you using VizBig lines... do you really want to take it there? There is a multitude of lines that concretely proves Kid Boo is greater than Goku, and that Kid Boo is greater than Buff Boo who is stronger than Super Boo. And the VizBig lines also eliminates the only piece of solid evidence against this all - Goku's whole dialog about "we need to weaken Boo/we did it! now we can manage something."

Exactly what I mean by it being wrong. In this case the VizBig translation is wrong because that isn't what is said in the manga. Just because their translation chooses to leave out information in favour of your own biased opinion does not make them any more correct. In fact, it makes them less correct. Herms could have easily have just gone and taken out the in the Strength Checker translations because he felt that "This is the correct way." yet he didn't. Because that would be an inaccurate translation. Same with what you call "official" it is inaccurate. There are no lines that prove Pure Boo is greater than Goku. If there are I would like you to show them to me. Unless Goku says "Damn! I can't beat Pure Boo no matter what I try." Then there are no lines. Only your opinion dictates that Pure Boo is better than Goku because you base things on your opinion rather than fact.

Therefore, now that you acknowledge VizBig edition lines to be concrete and factual (otherwise you wouldn't have resorted to using them to prove your points, now, eh), you now agree with the VizBig manga which CLEARLY states Kid Bo is superior to Super Boo.

I was resorting to them to show your own idiocy. But whatever. I'll acknowledge them because I agree that the manga clearly states Evil Boo is Pure Boo. Yes.

Thank you. Was that so hard? Welcome aboard to reality, my friend.

Yes, welcome aboard the Evil Boo > Pure Boo train, my friend. Thanks for finally noticing it.

You're arguing that since it isn't noted/stated anywhere that S. Kaioshin WEAKENED Boo, then I have no case for that point - I would only be assuming. I agree!!! It isn't stated anywhere, you are 100% correct. You know what else isn't stated anywhere? That S. Kaioshin INCREASED Kid Boo's strength upon absorption. So by your own logic... . .

Because is it stated anywhere that Goku would lose to Evil Boo? Yes. That isn't opinion, that is a line. Does it state anywhere that SSJ3 Goku could beat Pure Boo? Yes it does. So by this logic if you're agreeing with me and not using your opinions to make your point then Evil Boo > SSJ3 Goku > Pure Boo. Thanks.

You said S. Kaioshin made Boo kinder, not weakened him - Meaning, at the very least if he didn't weaken Kid Boo upon being absorbed (because as you just said it isn't noted/stated anywhere), and S. Kai didn't STRENGTHENED Kid Boo (because as you argued it isn't noted/stated anywhere neither), then by default Kid Boo is equal to Buff Boo. And Buff Boo is established universally to be stronger than Super Boo.

By logical assumption, without making up opinions like you have and taken the lines at their face value.

Evil Boo
Goku: "There's no way we can beat him if we go out now. He's still too strong."

Buff Boo
Goku: "Huh? His power is increasing.." < This line has no relevance to Pure Boo otherwise the following comments about Pure Boo don't make any sense.

Pure Boo
Goku: "We did it! This way we can manage something!"
Goku: "I can beat him if I gather my Ki!"

Logical conclusion based only on what is said(No speculating or fan opinions):

Buff Boo > Evil Boo > SSJ3 Goku > Pure Boo

IF S. Kai increased Kid Boo's strength, then since S. Kai was stated to be the strongest Kai, that would make Dai Kai EASY work for Boo and not a worthy opponent, much less a worthy absorption. And it's not like Dai Kai was only a degree or two weaker than S. Kai - it would have been noted that S. Kai and Dai Kai were near in power - it wasn't, S. Kai was the only one noted to stand out in power.

We're only using actual statements right now and taking them at face value. If you want a reason for why Boo absorbed the Dai Kaioshin, it would be because Pure Boo gained power from the first absorption and he thought he could get even stronger from the second. But this is regardless. Because you practically started using what is only stated in the story. And from what is only stated in the story we get the above.

And we know for a fact that Boo only activates absorption when he meets a dangerous fighter that jeopardizes Boo, so the fact that he resorted to absorbing Dai Kaioshin as Buff Boo means that Buff Boo (Kid Boo + S. Kaiosin) was a degree weaker than Dai Kaioshin. For that to be remotely possible, S. Kai would either have to weaken Kid Boo's ki, or at the very least just not affect Kid Boo's ki at all.

We don't know if Boo activates absorption when he meets a dangerous fighter. At least not the Pure Boo personality which is a lot like an animal. We don't know what happens to force him to absorb either of these Kaioshin so this is all supposition. And thus moot. We are only going on direct statements right now.

You have the itch right now to go back to when Elder Kai said something like "up till now, the warriors Boo has absorbed has changed his strength and appearance," to which Kibito Kai agreed finding it strange that nothing happened to Boo's strength or appearance upon absorbing Vegito, which you would probably argue "HA that means everyone else but Dai Kai did something to his strength" but let me end that by saying that it is MORE than established that the warriors Elder Kai was strictly referring to were Gotenks/Trunks?Gotenk, Gohan and Piccolo, not the Kais, because Elder hadn't known about the Kais who fell to Boo yet.

I wasn't even going to comment on this because I've practically won the argument by just basing it on statements rather than opinions like you are doing, lol. It is stated by Goku he can't beat Evil Boo. It is stated that Buff Boo is stronger than Evil Boo. It is stated that SSJ3 Goku with Ki gathered can beat Pure Boo. Therefore:

Buff Boo > Evil Boo > SSJ3 Goku > Pure Boo

I really don't have to argue this point any further because anything like "Well Goku used his full power and it wasn't enough to beat Pure Boo." Is just your opinion. Nothing is to say that SSJ3 Goku didn't start at 75%, for instance, because SSJ3 lacks the ability to immediately start at full power. Or that Goku was purposely delaying defeating Pure Boo because he wanted a good fight before he ended it. Any of us could come up with a hundred different scenarios as to why "X" character did/didn't do "Y" in fight.

And Kibito Kai finding no change in strength & appearance in Boo after absorbing Vegito strange was strictly in the case of the WARRIORS' absorption, not the Kais'. Kais and warriors are established to be 2 ENTIRELY different beings and cases.

Supposition. Like I said above, I could argue whatever I wanted to because this is all opinion based. Basing it purely on statements Evil Boo > Pure Boo.

Indeed you have my friend. Indeed you have! Which means that since you just proved S. kai did NOT weaken Boo and just made him kinder, nor did he strengthened Boo, so by default Kid Boo = Buff Boo > Super Boo.

All I was pointing out is that no power change was noted so it could be either way. It would be opinion based. It didn't say either Kaioshin weakened him or strengthened him. So one could have strengthened and the other could have weakened him. Both could have weakened him. Or both could have strengthened him. But by going on simple statements then whatever was stated in the manga should be taken as evidence. What happened when Evil Boo became Buff Boo? His power increased. What happened when he turned into Pure Boo? Goku said he could beat him and nothing states he couldn't therefore by the people Goku could and couldn't beat.

Buff Boo > Evil Boo > SSJ3 Goku > Pure Boo.

Pretty much done now. All you're going to do is twist the comments by the characters to suit your own biased opinion. So I'm going to stop commenting. I've already proved my point. Feel free to keep arguing your own lost points if you want. But it is clear who won this debate, lol.

[Confidence Matters]

Spoiler:

Well, since you're solely following Viz's dialogue, given Viz's dialogue says that every time he's absorbed "someone" not just "warriors", and that Kibitoshin agreed with Rou Kaioushin saying it, that means that according to Kibitoshin, absorptions normally make him stronger,

Except in Viz's dialogue, nothing is mentioned about absorptions normally making him stronger nor weaker. Only that Boo changes when he absorbs someone.

Elder Kai: "Don't you find it odd? Boo transformed every time he absorbed someone... ...but this time..."

Kibito Kai: "He hasn't changed! What does it mean?!"

Therefore, since we're solely following Viz's dialogue, given Viz's dialogue says that every time he's absorbed "someone" not just "warriors", and that Kibitoshin agreed with Rou Kaioushin saying it, that means that according to Kibitoshin, absorptions normally change Boo.

This is not evidence to counter the fact that Kibito Kai establishes that BOTH kais tamed/weakened Boo.

[Confidence Matters]

Spoiler:

Yes. It suggests at least one Kaioshin lowered his power. I don't even know what you're talking about here.

At least one or BOTH. If you want to try and use that Herms' line to your favor by having it state something that clearly isn't stated (based on the ), then I too can use it to prove my point.

So that line proves BOTH absorptions lowered Kid Boo's power, therefore Kid Boo > Buff Boo > Super Boo.

Once again, thanks for playing.

If you bothered to read then yes, the line does suggest at least one Kaioshin lowered Boo's power. I don't understand why that is so hard to get. Going by the "official" statement in the VizBig's Boo's heart was only tamed. No mention of him being weakened. All I'm doing is following your example. Nothing is said about them weakening Boo so it didn't happen. Thanks.

Once again, at least one or BOTH. If you want to try and use that Herms' line to your favor by having it state something that clearly isn't stated (based on the ), then I too can use it to prove my point.

So that line proves BOTH absorptions lowered Kid Boo's power, therefore Kid Boo > Buff Boo > Super Boo.

Once again, thanks for playing.

Only Mr. Boo(Only represents the Kaioshins) is weaker than Pure Boo. Fat Boo(The Kaioshin's and Pure Boo put together.) never thought Pure Boo. So your context isn't established. Thus the only thing that is truly established to happen with the Kaioshin is their hearts tamed Boo. Meaning anything could happen with increases or decreased to Boo's strength. Thanks.

False, since it is established that at least one kaioshin OR BOTH kais weakened Boo (which I agree with), than that by default leaves all other version of kid Boo weaker than himself. Fat Boo is another version of Kid Boo and is weaker thanks to the Kais' influence. Therefore Kid Boo > Fat Boo.

Exactly what I mean by it being wrong. In this case the VizBig translation is wrong because that isn't what is said in the manga.

Ohohoho. Ok. Because you're fluent in reading/writing and talking Japanese and are a certified jap-to-eng translator.

Wait, you're not.

Just because their translation chooses to leave out information in favour of your own biased opinion does not make them any more correct. In fact, it makes them less correct. Herms could have easily have just gone and taken out the in the Strength Checker translations because he felt that "This is the correct way." yet he didn't.

And thus we're left with an extremely vague translation that cannot be used to prove anything because it is too vague. We must by default to refer to VizBig for this line, because... I already explained it a million times.

There are no lines that prove Pure Boo is greater than Goku.

Kibito Kai confirms both Kais weakened Boo. Therefore Kid Boo > Buff Boo > Super Boo > Goku

See what we can accomplish when we use our critical thinking?

I was resorting to them to show your own idiocy.

Resorting to ad-hominems is surely a brilliant way to not lose an argument you clearly have no proper rebuttal for

O wait

Because is it stated anywhere that Goku would lose to Evil Boo? Yes. That isn't opinion, that is a line.

Duh

Does it state anywhere that SSJ3 Goku could beat Pure Boo? Yes it does.

Goku is established to be overconfident, arrogant, and a liar in the Boo saga. Lines from BOTH translations confirm this.

"I can't beat Fat Boo even if I went all out, his power is like a lie" / "Hey Vegeta, I totally could have beaten Fat Boo..."

How Goku, if it is established that only Boo's can hurt Boo's, or magical beings with their magical techniques can hurt Boo?

"I'm going to go all out for the sake of the universe **transforms into SSJ3, fires a kamehameha**" / "I haven't been going all out" (VizBig establishes that he has been going all out BTW...)

How Goku, if SSJ3 is your ultimate form, you fired up your most powerful attack, and you strictly know the universe is at stake?

By logical assumption, without making up opinions like you have and taken the lines at their face value.

There's your error. You take these lines at face value with no context.

I can take lines from the manga and take them at FaCe VaLuE like you just did and come up with erroneous conclusions, just like you have.

Example:

Gotenks SSJ3: "I really hammered him. He should be pretty weak now! ...Or not. This guy's so annoying!"

Piccolo: No... he is weakened... perhaps not physically, but mentally!! He's never fought anyone as strong as you. It unsettles him to think that anyone might be his equal..."

Gotenks SSJ3: "So poor Boo's all upset! Guess he doesn't like havin' fighting the most powerful being in the entire universe! Wa ha ha!"

Wrap it up folks, Gotenks SSj3 is stronger than Ultimate Gohan, Beerus, Whis, SSJ God, SSj4, Gogeta SSj4, anyone who ever existed.

Face Value man! It's right there!

We're only using actual statements right now and taking them at face value. If you want a reason for why Boo absorbed the Dai Kaioshin, it would be because Pure Boo gained power from the first absorption and he thought he could get even stronger from the second. But this is regardless. Because you practically started using what is only stated in the story. And from what is only stated in the story we get the above.

Face Value statements FTW!

Gotenks SSJ3: "I really hammered him. He should be pretty weak now! ...Or not. This guy's so annoying!"

Piccolo: No... he is weakened... perhaps not physically, but mentally!! He's never fought anyone as strong as you. It unsettles him to think that anyone might be his equal..."

Gotenks SSJ3: "So poor Boo's all upset! Guess he doesn't like havin' fighting the most powerful being in the entire universe! Wa ha ha!"

We don't know if Boo activates absorption when he meets a dangerous fighter. At least not the Pure Boo personality which is a lot like an animal. We don't know what happens to force him to absorb either of these Kaioshin so this is all supposition. And thus moot. We are only going on direct statements right now.

I wasn't even going to comment on this because I've practically won the argument by just basing it on statements rather than opinions like you are doing, lol. It is stated by Goku he can't beat Evil Boo. It is stated that Buff Boo is stronger than Evil Boo. It is stated that SSJ3 Goku with Ki gathered can beat Pure Boo.

Taking lines out of context doesn't prove anything. Well, maybe or desperation, but nothing else.

I really don't have to argue this point any further because anything like "Well Goku used his full power and it wasn't enough to beat Pure Boo." Is just your opinion. Nothing is to say that SSJ3 Goku didn't start at 75%, for instance, because SSJ3 lacks the ability to immediately start at full power. Or that Goku was purposely delaying defeating Pure Boo because he wanted a good fight before he ended it. Any of us could come up with a hundred different scenarios as to why "X" character did/didn't do "Y" in fight

Show me where any of that is officially stated. Nowhere. Therefore it is fanfiction.

Fact is both Kias weakened Boo, so Kid Boo > Buff Boo > Super Boo.

[dragonballer]

You can't really say they chose the better option because Vegeta never provided them the options. Only Goku. The only character who possibly heard the other option is Kaio. Because the Rou Kaioshin and the Kibitokai were wondering why he wanted to speak to everyone so they obviously didn't hear everything they said. But Kai is probably going to prefer the Genki Dama as the finisher because it's his pride and joy of techniques. He even says to Vegeta that he loves that it's going to be the closer of the fight.

so are they all that stupid that couldn't think about gohan as an option? ok,then kaioh said nothing because he loves genki-dama,but piccolo and old kai are wise character in-universe,old kai came up with some better options many times(potara,fusion).

Well, the problem is that you don't know what Pure Boo would do after the Genki Dama failed. He could leave Earth as the very last thing to be destroyed. Kibitokai wouldn't have the power to get Gohan there until a little rest. Pure Boo may just show up at Namek and blow Namek up before Kibitokai can do anything. So many things could go wrong.

so nobody thought buu could use teleport to dodge the genki-dama ? i still thinks it is so stupid "all the drama" when gohan is still alive.things can go wrong,but on the other hand many things can go well,they didn't use the third wish yet,and dende(and many other namekians) could heal kibitoshin.the only way things can go wrong is buu go to namek right after kill goku and vegeta,but buu doesn't even know where namek is,kibitoshin's teleport is used to go to a specific place,dende told kibitoshin where namek was,but who would tell buu?

Goku did say that. But Goku has the Shunkan Idou. So it would be all right if he is strong enough to take on Boo. For Gohan and Gotenks they would still have to fly around the world and by that time it may be too late. It's even worse for Gotenks because two characters have to meet up and do a dance to fuse. Wasting a lot of time. Like if it takes Gohan 30 seconds to get to the other side of Earth then the new Boo would have plenty of time to blow up Earth.

goku said that he will train to win the fight,not that he would keep an eye on buu. the buu borned from mr.buu would be too weak for goku,why would he need some train? answer: the new buu would have the same healing factor and would very difficult to kill if goku doesn't become stronger.

Gohan and Gotenks were only caught off-guard because that Boo was smart though. This one isn't. How do we know he isn't going to instinctively try and throw the stuff at them? They would be much too strong to get caught in that type of absorption. If this Boo wasn't so animal-like then I would understand. This Boo lacks the brains to catch these characters off-guard in this manner.

vegeta and goku were not sure if that buu is that stupid,super buu was very smart. they couldn't take the risks since kid buu was smart enough to caught vegeta off-guard. and z-fighter ARE vulnerable against things that they can't sense.

context:vegeta couldn't caught dr.gero in time.
dr.gero:you could't caught me because you are too accustomed to sense your opponent

buu's pieces don't have ki.nobody could sense it.piccolo thought super buu was dead after gotenks destroyed him,then piccolo sensed buu's ki AFTER the pieces were joining together.
that plus this:

he has the power but not the experience.-vegeta talking about gohan in namek

let's consider that my theory is true.gohan would need 20 min to finish buu:
-2 min of the fight-buu realized gohan is far away stronger
-3min,buu tried a direct absortion,gohan exploded him.
-4min,buu's pieces tried to absorb gohan,gohan kept destrying them.
-10min,gohan caught by one piece that he couldn't see or sense.
or maybe gohan would destroy buu at 10 min,but vegeta considered too dangerous to give buu 10 min to try to absorb gohan then he didn't summon gohan.
if my theory is totally wrong,buu would die in 0,008s and goku could play volleyball with his genki-dama until it disapeared .

[Kaboom]

System warning(s) and temporary ban(s) have been distributed. Let's see if this thread can take a more friendly turn instead of dying out.

[buutenks]

Vegeta suggested using the genki dama so that the earthlings can save themselves for once not rely on goku all the time.

But i do agree that kid buu's regeneration is faster,due to the speed he comes back at compared to the rest of buus.