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But Goku's still the one who delivered the finishing blow. Anyone could have easily taken Pan's spot (hey in GT, anything's possible even Trunks and Goten having babies together).
Pan's Kamehameha was the main strike, Goku's Kamehameha was just a catalyst for finish off Liu.
Explain the latter part of your post
Cool story, bro.
Doesn't need to be explained. It's GT.
fadeddreams5 wrote:
DBZGTKOSDH wrote:... Haven't we already gotten these in GT? Goku dies, the DBs go away, and the Namekian DBs most likely won't be used again because of the Evil Dragons.
Goku didn't die in GT. The show sucked him off so much, it was impossible to keep him in the world of the living, so he ascended beyond mortality.
jjgp1112 wrote: Sat Jul 18, 2020 6:31 am
I'm just about done with the concept of reboots and making shows that were products of their time and impactful "new and sexy" and in line with modern tastes and sensibilities. Let stuff stay in their era and give today's kids their own shit to watch.
I always side eye the people who say "Now my kids/today's kids can experience what I did as a child!" Nigga, who gives a fuck about your childhood? You're an adult now and it was at least 15 years ago. Let the kids have their own experience instead of picking at a corpse.
Hellspawn28 wrote:Legic vs. Liu Xing Long (Oceanus Shenron) in her Dragon form?
Who wins?
Legic stomps. Oceanus Shenron is weaksauce.
Spoiler:
Akira Toriyama wrote:My policy is to try and forget things once they’re over. Since if I don’t discard the old and focus on what’s new, I’ll overload my brain capacity. I still haven’t lived down going, “Who the heck is Tao Pai-pai?” that one time I was talking with Ei’ichiro Oda-kun. But the fact that there are still people reading the series after all this time… All I can say is; “thank you.” Really, that’s all.
Akira Toriyama wrote:Drawing Dragon Ball again reminded me of two things--how much I love it, and how much I never want to do it again.
Kunzait_83 wrote:And if you're upset because all this new material completely invalidates the tabletop RPG rulebook-sized statistical system and flowchart for the characters' "canonical Power Levels" that you'd been working on painstakingly for the last bunch of years now... well I don't think there's a kind, non-blunt way of saying this, but that's 100% entirely your own misguided fault for buying so deeply into all this nonsensical garbage in the first place. And that you also have IMMENSELY skewed and comically backwards priorities in what you think is most important and needed to make a good Dragon Ball story.
Zephyr wrote:Goodness, they wrote idiotic drivel in a children's cartoon meant to advertise toys!? Again!? For the ninetieth episode in a row!? Somebody stop the presses! We have to voice our concern over these Super important issues!
Kamiccolo9 wrote:Fair enough, I concede. Sean Schemmel probably has some kind of hidden talent. Maybe he is an expert at Minesweeper. You're right; calling him "talentless" wasn't fair.
Michsi wrote: Mon Jul 04, 2022 11:29 amIn Super Piccolo got yelled off the stage by Vegeta in the U6 Tournament arc and lost to Jiminy Cricket in the ToP , he deserved 15 new transformations with his theme song played by Metallica in the background.
Hellspawn28 wrote:Legic vs. Liu Xing Long (Oceanus Shenron) in her Dragon form?
Who wins?
Hard to tell. Gohan didn't turn Super Saiyan in a fight that didn't even last a minute, meaning GT is just too inconsistent to figure these things out. God forbid actually sitting down and analyzing the material, I mean seriously! Gohan didn't turn into a Super Saiyan within a time span of 30 seconds!! That just shows in GT we can't even prove that Super Saiyan boosts your power!
Hellspawn28 wrote:Legic vs. Liu Xing Long (Oceanus Shenron) in her Dragon form?
Who wins?
Probably Oceanus. She managed to pin down a far stronger Goku with her wind attack, and Goku's SSJ1 form at that point surpassed his SSJ3 form during the Baby Saga.
I do feel like Legic would win since Goku had to go SSj to beat him while Liu Xing Long's wind attacks didn't hurt Goku. Goku even comment that he has been through much worst.
In Brightest Day wrote:Mercenary Tao vs. Son Goku, 21st Budokai Jackie Chun and Nam.
Tao claims this with effort.
fadeddreams5 wrote:
DBZGTKOSDH wrote:... Haven't we already gotten these in GT? Goku dies, the DBs go away, and the Namekian DBs most likely won't be used again because of the Evil Dragons.
Goku didn't die in GT. The show sucked him off so much, it was impossible to keep him in the world of the living, so he ascended beyond mortality.
jjgp1112 wrote: Sat Jul 18, 2020 6:31 am
I'm just about done with the concept of reboots and making shows that were products of their time and impactful "new and sexy" and in line with modern tastes and sensibilities. Let stuff stay in their era and give today's kids their own shit to watch.
I always side eye the people who say "Now my kids/today's kids can experience what I did as a child!" Nigga, who gives a fuck about your childhood? You're an adult now and it was at least 15 years ago. Let the kids have their own experience instead of picking at a corpse.
In Brightest Day wrote:Mercenary Tao vs. Son Goku, 21st Budokai Jackie Chun and Nam.
Tao wrecks everyone
SSJ2FutureGohan wrote:BoGT SS3 Goku vs. Commander Nezi
Spoiler:
Nezi stomps. Cuz GT, yo.
Spoiler:
Akira Toriyama wrote:My policy is to try and forget things once they’re over. Since if I don’t discard the old and focus on what’s new, I’ll overload my brain capacity. I still haven’t lived down going, “Who the heck is Tao Pai-pai?” that one time I was talking with Ei’ichiro Oda-kun. But the fact that there are still people reading the series after all this time… All I can say is; “thank you.” Really, that’s all.
Akira Toriyama wrote:Drawing Dragon Ball again reminded me of two things--how much I love it, and how much I never want to do it again.
Kunzait_83 wrote:And if you're upset because all this new material completely invalidates the tabletop RPG rulebook-sized statistical system and flowchart for the characters' "canonical Power Levels" that you'd been working on painstakingly for the last bunch of years now... well I don't think there's a kind, non-blunt way of saying this, but that's 100% entirely your own misguided fault for buying so deeply into all this nonsensical garbage in the first place. And that you also have IMMENSELY skewed and comically backwards priorities in what you think is most important and needed to make a good Dragon Ball story.
Zephyr wrote:Goodness, they wrote idiotic drivel in a children's cartoon meant to advertise toys!? Again!? For the ninetieth episode in a row!? Somebody stop the presses! We have to voice our concern over these Super important issues!
Kamiccolo9 wrote:Fair enough, I concede. Sean Schemmel probably has some kind of hidden talent. Maybe he is an expert at Minesweeper. You're right; calling him "talentless" wasn't fair.
Michsi wrote: Mon Jul 04, 2022 11:29 amIn Super Piccolo got yelled off the stage by Vegeta in the U6 Tournament arc and lost to Jiminy Cricket in the ToP , he deserved 15 new transformations with his theme song played by Metallica in the background.
TienComposite runs the gauntlet! Gets healed after every opponent.
[Tien Composite is composed of four Tiens that are at 25% each. Two of the Tiens fuse via Fusion Dance. The two resulting fusions then fuse via Potara earrings. Fusion is permanent in this scenario.]
SSJ2FutureGohan wrote:'raging' SS2 Vegeta [Battle of Gods] vs. SS2 Vegeta [Beginning of GT]
Going by the events of Baby's Saiyan possession spree and Baby's difficulty with possessing Trunks due to the latter's power while Baby had no problem with Rildo, I'd probably give the edge to GT Vegeta.
This is BoGT Vegeta, who would probably be a lot weaker than Baby saga Vegeta, unless you believe that Vegeta was a lot stronger than Goku at BoGT.
I'd say something like this:
Base Goku (M2/Baby saga) >~ Base Rild ~ Base Vegeta (Baby saga) > Buuhan ~ Base Gohan (pre-Baby power up) > Super Mega Cannon Sigma > Mega Cannon Sigma (Individuals) > SS Goku (BoGT) > Base Goku (BoGT) >~ Base Vegeta (BoGT)
Well, assuming rough parity with base beginning of GT Goku, who was on even footing with Uub and I'd say it's reasonable to assume Uub's caught up to his previous Kid Buu incarnation's level due to years of training, I'd still be inclined to give the edge to GT Vegeta
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