Could golden frieza ever hurt Beerus?

[shonenhikada]

Considering how much Beerus towered over Goku in terms of power, I think his bothering to dodge was more to showoff and taunt Goku, rather than fear of any pain.

Maybe so, but again, the only thing supporting the idea that Beerus would be invincible against anyone without godly ki is his line to Vegeta, which as Polyphase Avatron said in context seems to refer merely to Vegeta not being able to sense his ki. If Beerus really had such complete protection against non-gods, you'd think this fact would be emphasized repeatedly, and clearly demonstrated in his fight scenes. Instead, Beerus' fight scenes never play out any differently than any previous "super strong but not automatically immune to all attacks"-type baddies. Even Kaio when warning Goku not to fight Beerus just hypes him up with the sort of "his strength's in a dimension all its own" talk that was used to hype up Super Saiyans and Freeza (both in the main series and RoF). He doesn't say "you will, by definition, be completely unable to harm Beerus in any way due to the fact that you are not a god" or anything along those lines.

Anyway, I'd be remiss if I didn't include Toriyama's note from Volume F:

Akira Toriyama’s Inside Story
What’s the relationship between Beerus and Freeza?
Even Freeza is no match for the God of Destruction Beerus, no matter what he does! Since they both destroy stuff, they got along reasonably well, but one time Freeza had his clock cleaned when he got carried away and made Beerus angry.

That "no matter what he does" bit almost sounds like it's supporting the "Beerus is invincible" idea (though again, if that's really what he were going for, you'd think it would be spelled out more than that). At any rate, I suppose we can take this as meaning Freeza wouldn't be able to surpass Beerus by training for another month/day/minute or two. For convenient plot reasons, Golden Freeza is apparently just about his max. It fits with Freeza's line at the start of the movie about training to unlock his "full potential", and Goku and Vegeta's explanation that if Freeza had trained more he would have gotten accustomed to his Golden form and therefore be able to maintain it longer (but not, apparently, be able to get a gazillion times stronger again).

Wrong. potential changes, as one grows in power. If Freeza trained longer he'd be able to grow stronger as a fighter. Just as how Gohan on Guru's planet had his potential unlocked and it only caused his PL to rise by a couple thousand. Yet, years later old kai unlocked his potential and he was stronger than Super buu.

[Thanos]

Possibly, but I don't think he is capable of ever touching Whis.

[Captain Sauza]

If Coola trained with the desire to get a golden form he'd likely be able to train himself to remove the strain from it, unlike Freeza. He's smarter in and not as lazy in that regard.

[Polyphase Avatron]

If Coola trained with the desire to get a golden form he'd likely be able to train himself to remove the strain from it, unlike Freeza. He's smarter in and not as lazy in that regard.

Well of course his number one henchman would say that...

[ekrolo2]

If he can hurt Goku, he can hurt Beerus.

[Birusu16]

If he can hurt Goku, he can hurt Beerus.

That's not even remotely true considering Beerus still has a sizable gap on Goku. A gap that's to the point where it require both him and Vegeta just to fight with Beerus evenly.

[Darkprince410]

If he can hurt Goku, he can hurt Beerus.

That's not even remotely true considering Beerus still has a sizable gap on Goku. A gap that's to the point where it require both him and Vegeta just to fight with Beerus evenly.

The gap in strength isn't what they're referring to. The OP made reference to it taking god ki to hurt others with god ki (even though this isn't really a fact in any sense), and ekrolo2 commented that if Freeza was able to hurt Goku, who possessed god ki, then he reasonably should be able to hurt Beerus as well.

[TheDevilsCorpse]

The whole issue is a bit of a clusterfuck. Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan is repeatedly said to be "Super Saiyan with the power of Super Saiyan God", but does he actually still have "god" ki, or just that level of power? Because Goku can't sense Beerus and Whis in Resurrection F, and thus requires summoning Whis with food for training rather than using Shunkan-ido to go to them...

[Darkprince410]

The whole issue is a bit of a clusterfuck. Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan is repeatedly said to be "Super Saiyan with the power of Super Saiyan God", but does he actually still have "god" ki, or just that level of power? Because Goku can't sense Beerus and Whis in Resurrection F, and thus requires summoning Whis with food for training rather than using Shunkan-ido to go to them...

Considering that Goku was using the Shunkan Idou to great effect when he was fighting with Beerus at the end of Battle of Gods, even though he was no longer in his God form, and his general state in Revival of F isn't really any different than how it was at the end of Battle of Gods. So if he was able to use it with Beerus as the target then, I don't really see there being any difference after.

[singsing]

The whole issue is a bit of a clusterfuck. Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan is repeatedly said to be "Super Saiyan with the power of Super Saiyan God", but does he actually still have "god" ki, or just that level of power? Because Goku can't sense Beerus and Whis in Resurrection F, and thus requires summoning Whis with food for training rather than using Shunkan-ido to go to them...

Considering that Goku was using the Shunkan Idou to great effect when he was fighting with Beerus at the end of Battle of Gods, even though he was no longer in his God form, and his general state in Revival of F isn't really any different than how it was at the end of Battle of Gods. So if he was able to use it with Beerus as the target then, I don't really see there being any difference after.

Maybe it's because of that residual effect of him just losing his god ki.

[TheDevilsCorpse]

Considering that Goku was using the Shunkan Idou to great effect when he was fighting with Beerus at the end of Battle of Gods, even though he was no longer in his God form, and his general state in Revival of F isn't really any different than how it was at the end of Battle of Gods. So if he was able to use it with Beerus as the target then, I don't really see there being any difference after.

I'm not saying I think it makes sense. I'm just reiterating what Resurrection F proposes with Goku outright stating that he can't do it.

• Beerus: “Hey, why are you guys here anyway?”
  Goku: “Oh Lord Beerus, Whis is training us.”
  Beerus: “I can see that for myself. But how’d you even get here?”
  Goku: “We got in touch with Whis and he brought us over. I can’t sense your guys’ ki, so there was no other way.”
  Beerus: “Whis brought you?...You guys lured him in with some food, didn’t you?”
  Goku: “Hehehe...Maybe...”

[DBZGTKOSDH]

The whole issue is a bit of a clusterfuck. Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan is repeatedly said to be "Super Saiyan with the power of Super Saiyan God", but does he actually still have "god" ki, or just that level of power? Because Goku can't sense Beerus and Whis in Resurrection F, and thus requires summoning Whis with food for training rather than using Shunkan-ido to go to them...

There is also the possibility that Goku couldn't sense them because they were far away, like he couldn't sense Freeza, Gohan, and the rest on Earth from Beerus' planet later, and the Z-Senshi had to power-up to their max in order for him to sense them.

[TheDevilsCorpse]

The way Herms phrases it in his translation makes it sound like it's still a current problem, even while he's standing there with them. If he just couldn't sense their ki, I feel like there would have been something added on to signify that. For example:

Goku: “We got in touch with Whis and he brought us over. I can’t sense your guys’ ki way out here, so there was no other way.”

[DBZGTKOSDH]

I guess we'll have to wait for Super to clear this up.