The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

[TheGmGoken]

I meant Raditz vs Nappa in a fight to the end that strictly entails hand to hand combat, usage of ki, etc. (so no tail grabbing )

Nappa stomps on Raditz tail. Use that aura attack to rip it off and break Radifz arm off. Then use his Mouth Blast and Bomber DX to win.

[pacz360]

How bout these?
Gt Pan runs the gauntlet
1.Final form freeza
2.super perfect cell
3.fat buu
4.Kid buu
5.Super buu
Scenerio 1. no gt logic
2 gt logic

[Lord Beerus]

Raditz vs Nappa (equal power, unlimited stamina)
Final Form Freeza 100% vs Base Kogu

- Hmm. *flips a coin* Raditz.
- Freeza crushes Kogu.

[fadeddreams5]

Raditz vs Nappa (equal power, unlimited stamina)
Final Form Freeza 100% vs Base Kogu

Nappa. He's an elite saiyan, so I assume he has more tactical experience than Raditz since he's likely had to help conquer planets with stronger beings.

In base, I'm sure Kogu loses to Frieza.

How bout these?
Gt Pan runs the gauntlet
1.Final form freeza
2.super perfect cell
3.fat buu
4.Kid buu
5.Super buu
Scenerio 1. no gt logic
2 gt logic

No GT logic, she loses to them all. Pan is no SSJ, and outside of GT, a saiyan's base power stops dramatically increasing after hitting a certain peak. I assume their base does become stronger, but later on in the series, even an increase of 1 million PL honestly means nothing.

GT logic, she annihilates them all.

[supercat]

How bout these?
Gt Pan runs the gauntlet
1.Final form freeza
2.super perfect cell
3.fat buu
4.Kid buu
5.Super buu
Scenerio 1. no gt logic
2 gt logic

I'm assuming you're referring to Final Form Frieza at 100%. If so, Pan doesn't make it past the evil tyrant if we exclude GT logic.

Even with GT logic included, she still likely gets taken down by Super Perfect Cell with relative ease.

Next battle:
First Form Frieza (FnF) vs Dai Kaioshin and South Kaioshin (Potara fusion)

[DBZAOTA482]

How bout these?
Gt Pan runs the gauntlet
1.Final form freeza
2.super perfect cell
3.fat buu
4.Kid buu
5.Super buu
Scenerio 1. no gt logic
2 gt logic

Without GT Logic, they all crush her.
With GT Logic, she won't get past SPC or Fat Boo.

[SSJ2FutureGohan]

How bout these?
Gt Pan runs the gauntlet
1.Final form freeza
2.super perfect cell
3.fat buu
4.Kid buu
5.Super buu
Scenerio 1. no gt logic
2 gt logic

Pan by the Baby arc should be able to easily dispose of any of these people. Even End of Z Pan I'd have beating 1 and 2.

[The Monkey King]

Buu saga SSJ3 Vegito vs 70% Beerus who has just slapped Bulma and Chi-Chi

[SSJ2FutureGohan]

Buu saga SSJ3 Vegito vs 70% Beerus who has just slapped Bulma and Chi-Chi

Beers one-shots him. I think BoG Vegetto would be noticeably stronger than Buu saga Vegetto.

In BoG, Goku says fusion is no match for Beers. When he gets SSG, he thinks 80% initially is enough to beat Beers.

70% Beers >> SSG Goku >> 80% SSG Goku >>> SS3 Vegetto (BoG) >/>> SS3 Vegetto (Buu arc) (in my opinion.)

Unless you mean Vegetto gets a Vegeta-esque rage boost, then he has a chance.

Chichi (23rd Budokai) vs. Drum, Cymbal, and Tambourine

[Doctor.]

Sh may beat Cymbal and Tambourine, but she gets destroyed by Drum.

[supercat]

How bout these?
Gt Pan runs the gauntlet
1.Final form freeza
2.super perfect cell
3.fat buu
4.Kid buu
5.Super buu
Scenerio 1. no gt logic
2 gt logic

Pan by the Baby arc should be able to easily dispose of any of these people. Even End of Z Pan I'd have beating 1 and 2.

EoZ Pan beating Frieza and Cell? How could she manage to pull off such a feat when Base Goku wasn't even at the level of being able to take Frieza down by the events of BoG.

Even by GT standards, I'd be extremely surprised if GT Pan somehow manages to give Super Perfect Cell anything even remotely akin to a challenging fight.

With the absence of accessibility to SSJ powers, unless she's becomes a recipient of Elder Kai's ritual like her father once had the privilege of, I don't see her coming anywhere near Frieza let alone Cell. If we include GT logic, then she should be able to crush Frieza, but would still fall short of claiming victory against Cell.

Buu saga SSJ3 Vegito vs 70% Beerus who has just slapped Bulma and Chi-Chi

Vegetto gets some good hits in, but would ultimately go down. While Vegeta's display of rage against Beerus was quite impressive, the food loving feline didn't seem to have taken any damage from the prince's little burst of anger. Although Vegetto's rage driven attacks should be able to cause some damage, I doubt it'd be enough to actually secure a victory against a being as powerful as Beerus.

[SSJ2FutureGohan]

EoZ Pan beating Freeza and Cell? How could she manage to pull off such a feat when Base Goku wasn't even at the level of being able to take Freeza down by the events of BoG.

Because I don't believe Freeza is stronger than the Base Saiyans. The Base Kids held their own against 18.

Even by GT standards, I'd be extremely surprised if GT Pan somehow manages to give Super Perfect Cell anything even remotely akin to a challenging fight.

Pan knocked down Rild (stronger than Gohan-Buu in my books), prompted Trunks to question if she's stronger than him, took a blast from SS Goten-Baby with hardly any damage, which is impressive given Goten's feats against Base Gohan, who according to the GTPF, would at least be around his Ultimate self. She could mock a guy strong enough to warrant attention from a Super Saiyan 4, and even fuel an Evil Dragon enough power to push him close to SS4 tier power.

No way SPC touches Pan.

[LightBing]

Chichi (23rd Budokai) vs. Drum, Cymbal, and Tambourine

She loses, I have her at 22nd Budokai Kurilin level.

Android 17 vs Yakon

[DBZAOTA482]

Chichi (23rd Budokai) vs. Drum, Cymbal, and Tambourine

With scouter numbers, she smashes both Cymbal and Tambourine but loses to Drum.

Without scouter numbers, she destroys them like Gohan did the Cell Juniors.

[SSJ2FutureGohan]

Android 17 vs Yakon

Yakon >~ Base Goku > Base Vegeta > Base Gohan ~ Base Goten ~ Android 18 ~< Android 17

Yakon wins handily.

[DBZAOTA482]

Buu saga SSJ3 Vegito vs 70% Beerus who has just slapped Bulma and Chi-Chi

Vegetto loses after a good fight.

Chichi (23rd Budokai) vs. Drum, Cymbal, and Tambourine

She loses, I have her at 22nd Budokai Kurilin level.

Android 17 vs Yakon

What SSJ2FutureGohan said...

[Doctor.]

Yakon gets destroyed, he was having trouble with base Goku.

[Lord Beerus]

First Form Freeza (FnF) vs Dai Kaioshin and South Kaioshin (Potara fusion)

Dai Kaioshin and South Kaioshin potared fused stomp Freeza

[supercat]

EoZ Pan beating Freeza and Cell? How could she manage to pull off such a feat when Base Goku wasn't even at the level of being able to take Freeza down by the events of BoG.

Because I don't believe Freeza is stronger than the Base Saiyans.

Even by GT standards, I'd be extremely surprised if GT Pan somehow manages to give Super Perfect Cell anything even remotely akin to a challenging fight.

Pan knocked down Rild (stronger than Gohan-Buu in my books), prompted Trunks to question if she's stronger than him, took a blast from SS Goten-Baby with hardly any damage, which is impressive given Goten's feats against Base Gohan, who according to the GTPF, would at least be around his Ultimate self. She could mock a guy strong enough to warrant attention from a Super Saiyan 4, and even fuel an Evil Dragon enough power to push him close to SS4 tier power.

No way SPC touches Pan.

So why would Beerus make a remark about Base Goku being unable to take Frieza down? I feel the whole purpose of that scene was to serve as a measuring stick to show where both Base Goku and Frieza stand in contrast to each other.

If you believe Base Rild is above Buuhan, then I respect your perception. However, I personally believe Base Rild was being referenced to Kid Buu. Again, Buuhan is not the embodiment of only Buu's power, but the collective ki of Gohan, Piccolo, Goten, and Trunks. Therefore, if Rild was really wielding that level of power, Goku would have taken the extra few seconds to elaborate on how the machine mutant is so powerful that he's even above Majin Buu during the time he absorbed Gohan, Piccolo, Goten, and Trunks. Throwing in four more fighters into the comparison only further signifies a new enemy's power and the challenge that our heroes are about to face. In any case, Rild was unscathed from Pan's little attempt at taking him down.

While I can acknowledge the fact that the Baby boost likely yields an incredible gain in power, I find it very unlikely that GT Goten surpassed Super Perfect Cell. Assuming he's managed to reach Cell Jr. tier by EoZ, the Baby power up would at the best likely put him close to Super Perfect Cell, but not quite above that caliber of strength. Therefore, given the power scaling within GT, it doesn't seem that far-fetched for Pan to be able casually survive a blast from someone who isn't even at the level of Super Perfect Cell. I'd say Pan at that point is more or less between Cell Jr. and Super Perfect Cell, but a lot closer to the former.

The Shadow Dragon gained substantial power from inhabiting a little mole.. Of course he's going to obtain some impressive levels of power from a Saiyan / Human. The amount of power that the dragon gains didn't appear to be synonymous with the actual power that he takes, but rather seemed to be based on some unknown multiplier.

Chichi (23rd Budokai) vs. Drum, Cymbal, and Tambourine

She loses, I have her at 22nd Budokai Kurilin level.

Android 17 vs Yakon

Android 17 one-shots. Had it not been for the darkness, Base Goku would have trashed Yakon with relative ease. Any opponent that Base Goku (Buu arc) could casually take down would be complete fodder to the likes of Android 17.

Androids 17 > Frieza > Base Goku (Buu arc)

[SSJ2FutureGohan]

So why would Beerus make a remark about Base Goku being unable to take Freeza down? I feel the whole purpose of that scene was to serve as a measuring stick to show where both Base Goku and Freeza stand in contrast to each other.

Why would Bulma say she's 38 (no, her "lying" does not fit the context of the scene), why would Mai indirectly say she was the same age as Goku in the 1st arc? Toriyama's forgotten things.

The base kids lasted against 18.

If you believe Base Rild is above Buuhan, then I respect your perception. However, I personally believe Base Rild was being referenced to Kid Buu. Again, Buuhan is not the embodiment of only Buu's power, but the collective ki of Gohan, Piccolo, Goten, and Trunks. Therefore, if Rild was really wielding that level of power, Goku would have taken the extra few seconds to elaborate on how the machine mutant is so powerful that he's even above Majin Buu during the time he absorbed Gohan, Piccolo, Goten, and Trunks. Throwing in four more fighters into the comparison only further signifies a new enemy's power and the challenge that our heroes are about to face.

This is arbitrary. Goku's words don't have to match yours for his comparison to be to Gohan-Buu.

In any case, Rild was unscathed from Pan's little attempt at taking him down.

Still a notable feat. It impressed Goku and Trunks.

While I can acknowledge the fact that the Baby boost likely yields an incredible gain in power, I find it very unlikely that GT Goten surpassed Super Perfect Cell. Assuming he's managed to reach Cell Jr. tier by EoZ, the Baby power up would at the best likely put him close to Super Perfect Cell, but not quite above that caliber of strength. Therefore, given the power scaling within GT, it doesn't seem that far-fetched for Pan to be able casually survive a blast from someone who isn't even at the level of Super Perfect Cell. I'd say Pan at that point is more or less between Cell Jr. and Super Perfect Cell, but a lot closer to the former.

Buu saga pre-RoSaT Goten is on par with Buu saga Gohan, who should be comparable to CG Goku, who would most likely stomp a Cell Junior. I don't want to imagine what EoZ Goten would do to a Cell Jr.

Goten-Baby was strong enough to force Gohan into using Super Saiyan.

The Shadow Dragon gained substantial power from inhabiting a little mole.. Of course he's going to obtain some impressive levels of power from a Saiyan / Human. The amount of power that the dragon gains didn't appear to be synonymous with the actual power that he takes, but rather seemed to be based on some unknown multiplier.

Did he gain 'substantial power'? I thought just a bigger body. When he had nothing absorbed he was surviving hits from SS4 Goku. So if there was a multiplier, he should've slaughtered Goku when he absorbed Pan.