"Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

[Cold Skin]

That depends on the objective stated.

Was it described as a complete manga adaptation of the Super story, in which case it is not meant to promote (aside from that first chapter) and they won't care if it falls behind and might do a full version?
Or was it described as "your first look to the anime", in which case it is only meant for promotion purposes (both to attract audience to Super and to sell more V-Jump as an exclusive first look) and was never meant to be a full manga, just a super-exclusive preview chapter that will draw everyone to the magazine every month (every four episodes)?

That really depends on their objective and how they market it: do they want to release a full manga in the end or do they want to use every chapter as an exclusive preview to buy V-Jump for?

[FortuneSSJ]

The manga being just a promotion is such a waste. Should be like any other monthly manga.

[dbgtFO]

The manga being just a promotion is such a waste. Should be like any other monthly manga.

A good place, where it could improve is its page-count, as monthly manga tend to have at least 30 pages.

[FortuneSSJ]

A good place, where it could improve is its page-count, as monthly manga tend to have at least 30 pages.

Exactly! Thats why I got so disappointed with the few pages we got.
A monthly chapter with weekly size?! Bullshit.

[Tzigi]

Example: assuming a running time of one year, we'd end up with 52 episodes of the anime, while we'd have 12 episodes adapted into manga. We'd need over four years to cover it in full!

It's not actually unprecedented: take Neon Genesis Evangelion as an example. What not many people know is that the manga started first (December 26, 1994 - the first chapter in Shonen Ace vs October 4, 1995 for the airing of the first episode). The series finished airing in a standard time (March 27, 1996 so in just few months). Even if we include End of Evangelion into the calculation, we get 22 months (EoE premiered on July 19, 1997) from the start of the story to a relatively fitting conclusion. And guess when the manga (being a grand 14 volumes in total with some antagonists even removed/simplified) finally finished?


The last chapter proper was serialized in Young Ace on June 4, 2013 but the last chapter as a whole (28 new pages) was only added in the collected last volume published on November 20, 2014. That results in a little bit more then 19 years/28 episodes (26 episodes+two parts of EoE).

But I fervently hope the DBS manga will not follow this path

[UpFromTheSkies]

The manga being just a promotion is such a waste. Should be like any other monthly manga.

We've only seen one chapter, so we don't really know what they're going to do with it as the story progresses. I'm hoping they will use it to expand the story, and show scenes that were implied or mentioned in the anime, but never shown, or use it to set up new characters and tell backstories before they're introduced in the anime.

[Basaku]

The level to which people will reach for anything to complain about in regards to Goku now is depressing as all HFIL. Oy vey.

You'll make it through it. Balance in nature exists and for every "me" there's also the defense squad on standby ready to disregard and handweave any DB riticism, particularly if it's about content form Toriyama.

[Ajay]

No, that's backhanded nonsense. Criticism towards anything is absolutely fine, but it has to be backed up with sourceable evidence. In this instance, your own misguided interpretation of Super's manga adaptation does not count. Don't play the victim and absentmindedly cast anyone who dismisses your straw-grabbing as mindless defender drones for the franchise. That's not fair on anyone, nor does it warrant worthwhile discussion.

[Basaku]

No, that's backhanded nonsense. Criticism towards anything is absolutely fine, but it has to be backed up with sourceable evidence. In this instance, your own misguided interpretation of Super's manga adaptation does not count. Don't play the victim and absentmindedly cast anyone who dismisses your straw-grabbing as mindless defender drones for the franchise. That's not fair on anyone, nor does it warrant worthwhile discussion.

Text that says "Goku defeated Cell" and is later accompanied by Goku daydreaming about fighting against Cell as a form of training. I laughed at this as its obvious Toei/Toriyama don't care that it essentially does give Goku credit for "doing it all" and portrays him as the only one that mattered and that's how newcomers to the series would see it picking up Super manga. Presenting it this way, especially in manga-opener is just misleading and inaccurate.

The response was what it often is on this topic. Some people literally can't stand the slightest suggestion Toriyama/Toei may be doing something incorrectly and Goku may potentially be getting a bit too much credit sometimes.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

Text that says "Goku defeated Cell"

No, it doesn't.

[Ajay]

Are you drawing all this from a subtitle on the side of the first page? "Freeza, Cell, Majin Boo... Just how many times has Goku saved the world!?"

I don't see how that's at all indicative of Toei and Toriyama's current portrayal of Goku. It doesn't say he defeated them specifically, anyway. You could just as easily argue that Goku's training of Gohan, and his words of encouragement during the final battle, all had a helping hand in defeating Cell, and therefore "saving the world".

There's no dastardly executives sat at Toei, twirling their moustaches, going "Who cares?! Let Goku do everything!" It's simple phrasing to big up the protagonist of the show. Lines like that work in threes, and they're certainly not going to go "Freeza (but was actually Trunks), Cell (kinda, but was actually Gohan who dealt the final blow), Boo (but Goku just threw an energy ball)..." There's really no conspiracy here.

Again, the panels of him defeating enemies are just day-dreams. They're so typical of Goku that I'm so surprised they've caused any controversy. The guy lives to fight, and what better to satisfy that urge than to dream about the toughest opponents he's faced.

For whatever reason, you appear frustrated at Goku as a protagonist, and seem to want to take this opportunity to criticise the creators. As I said in my previous post, there's nothing wrong with criticism, but this really isn't something to back that line of it up with. People aren't responding to you because they disagree with your overall perspective, but rather because you're simply digging too deep on this one.

Dragon Ball Minus would be your better bet. That makes Goku (or his origins, at least) far too "special", and ultimately undoes a lot of the interesting parts of the character. God, if you went with that I'd be right there with you! But man, questionable phrasing in a spin-off manga is absolutely not the place to form an argument from.

[Basaku]

Because it's just one tiny mention now and not a trend that's been going on ever since Toriyama backtracked on making Gohan the main hero. Ain't no one's mapping conspiracy theories at Toei, but it's an obvious lack of care for other characters, both from Toei and Toriyama. Giving them jokes at reunion party #42462 or a fodder enemy to fight just so they can turn into punching bags for main villain 2 minutes later hardly counts as "caring", it's just throwing them a bone. This 1st chapter is just another small example that adds to bigger problem. I ain't the only one who has issue with "all about Goku" so you're gonna be busy arguing every posts that touches on the subject for a possibly very long time. Let's hope Super manages to surpise somehow...

[VegettoEX]

Because it's just one tiny mention now and not a trend that's been going on ever since Toriyama backtracked on making Gohan the main hero. Ain't no one's mapping conspiracy theories at Toei, but it's an obvious lack of care for other characters, both from Toei and Toriyama. Giving them jokes at reunion party #42462 or a fodder enemy to fight just so they can turn into punching bags for main villain 2 minutes later hardly counts as "caring", it's just throwing them a bone. This 1st chapter is just another small example that adds to bigger problem. I ain't the only one who has issue with "all about Goku" so you're gonna be busy arguing every posts that touches on the subject for a possibly very long time. Let's hope Super manages to surpise somehow...

Your argument about Goku perhaps receiving too much attention, and at the expense of other characters, certainly holds water and is a conversation to be had.

Your argument that Goku daydreaming about fighting strong opponents and text that reads completely differently in reality from what you think it says somehow contributes to a long-lasting conspiracy to discredit both Goku and the supporting characters of their actual achievements... does not and will not and should not.

[Teen GohanZ]

I don't know what it says in the Japanese version, but in the English translation it simply says Goku saved the Earth against Cell, which he did when he teleported him to Kaio's planet. Nothing about defeating Cell.

[LuckyCat]

The lines about him saving earth many times need to be read in context too. The manga emphasizes Goku's accomplishments to show why he deserves the peace prize money from Mr. Satan. That is what this chapter is about.

What about Gohan? He will get Mr. Satan's money from his marriage with Videl. But that's not what this chapter is about.

[eledoremassis02]

After watching the epsiode (going spoiler free) and noticing the changed and addons made, I wonder if those were added by Toyotaro or if they were earlier concepts/ideas?

[kidhero1000]

This should honestly be a weekly series. Eh, I'll take what I can get.

[LuckyCat]

After watching the epsiode (going spoiler free) and noticing the changed and addons made, I wonder if those were added by Toyotaro or if they were earlier concepts/ideas?

At least, I think we'll actually see the manga's aliens show up eventually. Going by the preview, it looks like Beerus is going to keep going around destroying planets. So he might eventually remember Super Saiyan God because of Soup Yasai Jinkot.

I'm not sure if other differences were early concepts or an honest way to fill pages without completely spoiling the upcoming anime.

[dbgtFO]

After watching the epsiode (going spoiler free) and noticing the changed and addons made, I wonder if those were added by Toyotaro or if they were earlier concepts/ideas?

At least, I think we'll actually see the manga's aliens show up eventually. Going by the preview, it looks like Beerus is going to keep going around destroying planets. So he might eventually remember Super Saiyan God because of Soup Yasai Jinkot.

I agree. I think the manga is not going to be filled with all that fluff like the anime is and that's mostly because it's a monthly comic rather than a weekly one.
Already in the manga we have Beerus going home again, so in the next chapter we might see him talk with the Oracle Fish, before deciding to head off to Kaio's place.
The manga chapter will probably coincide with the anime's episode during that week.

If we look at the release dates we have(red text is massive speculation!):

Chapter 1: 20/6 - Beerus eats a dish of Soup Yasai Jinkot, which reminds him of SSGod. He goes back home.
Episode 1: 5/7 - Beerus destroys a random planet after they've served him food that's too greasy.
Episode 2: 12/7 - Beerus fights that monster alien guy( and most likely destroys the planet they are fighting on too.)
Episode 3: 19/7 - (Beerus probably goes the planet with the Soup Yasai Jinkot dish)
Chapter 2: 21/7 - (Beerus returns home and talks to Oracle Fish, before deciding to visit Kaio's planet.)

I'm iffy on that last part, because I actually don't know how V-Jump's release Schedule Works. If anyone has that information, can you share it? Would be helpful

[Bullza]

Any word on a second chapter being released anytime soon?