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And thus, Vegeta finally both beats and kills Goku in a one on one fight. Not exactly the one he's been gunning for but close enough.
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Finally? Vegeta beat Goku every time they fought. He may have lost in the Saiyan Arc, but it wasn't Goku who beat him. Should have been pissed at Gohan, Kuririn and Yajirobe for his life. lol
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Well, in their 1st fight, Vegeta had to use Oozaru to beat Goku, and in their 2nd fight, no one won, Vegeta just KOed him after they stopped fighting.TheDevilsCorpse wrote:Finally? Vegeta beat Goku every time they fought. He may have lost in the Saiyan Arc, but it wasn't Goku who beat him. Should have been pissed at Gohan, Kuririn and Yajirobe for his life. lol
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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This. Vegeta never beat Goku.DBZGTKOSDH wrote:Well, in their 1st fight, Vegeta had to use Oozaru to beat Goku, and in their 2nd fight, no one won, Vegeta just KOed him after they stopped fighting.TheDevilsCorpse wrote:Finally? Vegeta beat Goku every time they fought. He may have lost in the Saiyan Arc, but it wasn't Goku who beat him. Should have been pissed at Gohan, Kuririn and Yajirobe for his life. lol
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He didn't have to. At the point where he decided to use the Ozaru form, Goku had already taken significant damage from the Kaio-ken. Vegeta just wanted to to go for overkill for humiliating him so badly, but then that backfired too. Not because of Goku though. Goku was practically pile of broken bones that were barely able to stand at that point.
As for the second round, it's a fight, not a tournament. There are no rules. Vegeta knocked Goku out after Goku dropped his guard, the same as he did with Freeza and Sorbet. Just as much of a win for both opponents.
As for the second round, it's a fight, not a tournament. There are no rules. Vegeta knocked Goku out after Goku dropped his guard, the same as he did with Freeza and Sorbet. Just as much of a win for both opponents.
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Except the fight was already over by that point. Vegeta only knocked him out because he wanted to fight Boo by himself, he didn't consider that a 'victory'.
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He may not have considered the second bout a win because he didn't defeat him based solely on ability, but he still won.
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But Vegeta wasn't aware of that, if he was, he wouldn't have to use Oozaru at all. In his mind, Goku surpassed him and almost defeated him, and he was forced to use Oozaru, which he disliked, in order to beat him.TheDevilsCorpse wrote:He didn't have to. At the point where he decided to use the Ozaru form, Goku had already taken significant damage from the Kaio-ken. Vegeta just wanted to to go for overkill for humiliating him so badly, but then that backfired too. Not because of Goku though. Goku was a pile of broken bones at that point; soundly defeated.
The fight was over, and Vegeta didn't do it so that he can say "Haha I won!", the only reason he knocked him out was so that he can take care of Boo by himself. He didn't play dirty to win like Freeza did, it had nothing to do with their fight.As for the second round, it's a fight, not a tournament. There are no rules. Vegeta knocked Goku out after Goku dropped his guard, the same as he did with Freeza and Sorbet. Just as much of a win for both opponents.
Vegeta wants to defeat Goku in a fair, one-on-one fight, in order to prove his superiority. He never managed to do that.
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Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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Vegeta already defeated Goku in a one-on-one fight, after he turned Oozaru Goku admitted defeat. And Vegeta wasn't as reluctant to turn Oozaru as you're making it seem. He was pretty excited for it actually.
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"He didn't have to." Is that seriously your argument? Goku could have destroyed Vegeta at many, many, many points in the series (including the ending), but he "didn't have to" either.TheDevilsCorpse wrote:He didn't have to. At the point where he decided to use the Ozaru form, Goku had already taken significant damage from the Kaio-ken. Vegeta just wanted to to go for overkill for humiliating him so badly, but then that backfired too. Not because of Goku though. Goku was practically pile of broken bones that were barely able to stand at that point.
As for the second round, it's a fight, not a tournament. There are no rules. Vegeta knocked Goku out after Goku dropped his guard, the same as he did with Freeza and Sorbet. Just as much of a win for both opponents.
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Vegeta didn't need Oozaru. Goku had no power left after the beam struggle; Kaio himself said as much, and Yajirobe was able to hurt him badly by accident with a pat on the back. Vegeta had already won, Goku could barely stand. He just went Oozaru to be an asshole.DBZGTKOSDH wrote:Well, in their 1st fight, Vegeta had to use Oozaru to beat Goku, and in their 2nd fight, no one won, Vegeta just KOed him after they stopped fighting.TheDevilsCorpse wrote:Finally? Vegeta beat Goku every time they fought. He may have lost in the Saiyan Arc, but it wasn't Goku who beat him. Should have been pissed at Gohan, Kuririn and Yajirobe for his life. lol
The Monkey King wrote:It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWokeRandomGuy96 wrote:He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
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No he wasn't. His dialogue was something along the lines of, "The Oozaru is something that's used to wipe out civilizations, and now I need it for one single person! How repugnant..." I think he also mentioned regarding it as a hideous form.Saiga wrote:Vegeta already defeated Goku in a one-on-one fight, after he turned Oozaru Goku admitted defeat. And Vegeta wasn't as reluctant to turn Oozaru as you're making it seem. He was pretty excited for it actually.
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Yeah. Xenoverse also has him stating that the form "disgusts him."jjgp1112 wrote:No he wasn't. His dialogue was something along the lines of, "The Oozaru is something that's used to wipe out civilizations, and now I need it for one single person! How repugnant..." I think he also mentioned regarding it as a hideous form.Saiga wrote:Vegeta already defeated Goku in a one-on-one fight, after he turned Oozaru Goku admitted defeat. And Vegeta wasn't as reluctant to turn Oozaru as you're making it seem. He was pretty excited for it actually.
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Did...Vegeta rip his hear out? 
That's almost unexpectedly brutal. Even for Vege -
*remembers this is the guy who made his introduction to the series by sitting atop the very dead body of whom he was eating it's arm*
...Okay, never mind.
That's almost unexpectedly brutal. Even for Vege - *remembers this is the guy who made his introduction to the series by sitting atop the very dead body of whom he was eating it's arm*
...Okay, never mind.
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It looks more like he pierced his hand through his chest.Gyt Kaliba wrote:Did...Vegeta rip his hear out?
*remembers this is the guy who made his introduction to the series by sitting atop the very dead body of whom he was eating it's arm*
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Vegeta just straight up physically punched a guy's head off. This is mild.
The Monkey King wrote:It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWokeRandomGuy96 wrote:He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
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I'm aware, but Vegeta wasn't. He didn't know that Goku was getting damaged from Kaio-ken, all he saw was Goku's power surpassing his, and then transformed because he believed he had to.RandomGuy96 wrote:Vegeta didn't need Oozaru. Goku had no power left after the beam struggle; Kaio himself said as much, and Yajirobe was able to hurt him badly by accident with a pat on the back. Vegeta had already won, Goku could barely stand. He just went Oozaru to be an asshole.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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So? Goku had to use Kaioken x4 and was counting on the Genki Dama. Both of them used what they could.DBZGTKOSDH wrote:Well, in their 1st fight, Vegeta had to use Oozaru to beat Goku, and in their 2nd fight, no one won, Vegeta just KOed him after they stopped fighting.TheDevilsCorpse wrote:Finally? Vegeta beat Goku every time they fought. He may have lost in the Saiyan Arc, but it wasn't Goku who beat him. Should have been pissed at Gohan, Kuririn and Yajirobe for his life. lol
What? Of course he did. Goku was done, completely broken and pretty much unable to move, let alone stand. All that was left was for Vegeta to give him the finishing blow which only didn't happen because Krillin and Gohan interfered. If it was a tournament, even without Vegeta killing Goku, Goku would have lost due to not being able to stand and/or because other people interfered in his behalf.Marco Polo wrote:This. Vegeta never beat Goku.DBZGTKOSDH wrote:Well, in their 1st fight, Vegeta had to use Oozaru to beat Goku, and in their 2nd fight, no one won, Vegeta just KOed him after they stopped fighting.TheDevilsCorpse wrote:Finally? Vegeta beat Goku every time they fought. He may have lost in the Saiyan Arc, but it wasn't Goku who beat him. Should have been pissed at Gohan, Kuririn and Yajirobe for his life. lol
There is no doubt that Vegeta won against Goku in the Saiyan arc in their solo fight. Vegeta just didn't like it because he had way much more trouble with Goku than his pride felt comfortable with, which was made worse by the fact that, thanks to the combined efforts of all the Earthlings, he ultimately had to retreat.
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I'm talking about how things went from Vegeta's point of view. Vegeta won, but he was forced to use Oozaru in order to win, something he shouldn't have to use against someone like Goku, and something he disliked using in general. The fact that a low-class surpassed him without transforming hurt his pride. Which is why he wasn't satisfied with his victory in their solo fight.rereboy wrote:So? Goku had to use Kaioken x4 and was counting on the Genki Dama. Both of them used what they could.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.