Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

[rereboy]

So? Goku had to use Kaioken x4 and was counting on the Genki Dama. Both of them used what they could.

I'm talking about how things went from Vegeta's point of view. Vegeta won, but he was forced to use Oozaru in order to win, something he shouldn't have to use against someone like Goku, and something he disliked using in general. The fact that a low-class surpassed him without transforming hurt his pride. Which is why he wasn't satisfied with his victory in their solo fight.

Not being satisfied with how he won against Goku in his solo fight doesn't mean that he didn't win. With Vegeta's ego he probably would only be really satisfied if he won without taking a single hit, which, again, doesn't mean that he didn't win even though he had trouble.

[Gyt Kaliba]

It looks more like he pierced his hand through his chest.

Ahh, you're right, you're right. I must've been more tired than I thought, because somehow I could have sworn I saw an object in Vegeta's hand that I had to assume was Kakarot's heart...but now I'm not even seeing anything remotely like that. ^_^;;;

[Saiga]

Vegeta already defeated Goku in a one-on-one fight, after he turned Oozaru Goku admitted defeat. And Vegeta wasn't as reluctant to turn Oozaru as you're making it seem. He was pretty excited for it actually.

No he wasn't. His dialogue was something along the lines of, "The Oozaru is something that's used to wipe out civilizations, and now I need it for one single person! How repugnant..." I think he also mentioned regarding it as a hideous form.

I don't recall him saying anything like that. But he was grinning like an idiot when he thought of using the form, and then again when he decided to replace the moon, and laughing his ass off when he transformed.

[jjgp1112]

Vegeta already defeated Goku in a one-on-one fight, after he turned Oozaru Goku admitted defeat. And Vegeta wasn't as reluctant to turn Oozaru as you're making it seem. He was pretty excited for it actually.

No he wasn't. His dialogue was something along the lines of, "The Oozaru is something that's used to wipe out civilizations, and now I need it for one single person! How repugnant..." I think he also mentioned regarding it as a hideous form.

I don't recall him saying anything like that. But he was grinning like an idiot when he thought of using the form, and then again when he decided to replace the moon, and laughing his ass off when he transformed.

[dbgtFO]

My 2 cents on Vegeta vs Goku:
I don't understand why anyone would consider their first match not to be a win for Vegeta.
He transformed into a Great Ape to get it done, sure, but all's fair in love and war afterall and Vegeta just used every trick in the book to win. It's still a win, even if Vegeta would have preferred to beat Goku without transforming.

On the other hand I continue to be baffled by people claiming Vegeta also won against Goku in the Buu arc.
Their fight was over, they both agreed to that and Vegeta didn't run around like an idiot, shouting about his Victory, because it wasn't.
He just took out Goku, when they were about to head off and fight Majin Buu for fuck's sake. It's no different from him taking out his own son and Goten and telling Piccolo to escape. It has nothing to do with fighting.

[Saiga]

So the only negative thing he says is when he's still grinning about the idea.

Yeah, I see absolutely no reason to think he'd consider himself not the winner based off that.

[sintzu]

He transformed into a Great Ape to get it done, sure, but all's fair in love and war afterall and Vegeta just used every trick in the book to win.

Which is what everyone in DB does when they have to so it being an issue here doesn't make sense at all especially since Goku did the same thing in that fight with the Kaioken.

This. Vegeta never beat Goku.

Breaking every bone in his body isn't a win ?

[BlazingBarrrager]

Spoiler:

Did...they just use both the Japanese and Funi names for Ozzaru in that one strip alone? D:

[ekrolo2]

Jesus, didn't know I'd start a whole thing with that one statement

[BlazingBarrrager]

Jesus, didn't know I'd start a whole thing with that one statement

Welcome to the Internet. XD

[coola]

Someone suggested, that this Kakarot might also hit his had as a baby, only there, it make him even more unstable than before, makes me wonder, why Master Roshi would accept him as pupil, shouldn't he sense evil from him?

[Marco Polo]

Someone suggested, that this Kakarot might also hit his had as a baby, only there, it make him even more unstable than before, makes me wonder, why Master Roshi would accept him as pupil, shouldn't he sense evil from him?

He could try to teach him to control his evil.

[SSJ God Gogeta]

This is gonna be a good one I just know it.

[goku the krump dancer]

I already could tell this was Scarz' work before even reading the credits lol.. #TeamScarz

[DBZGTKOSDH]

Not being satisfied with how he won against Goku in his solo fight doesn't mean that he didn't win. With Vegeta's ego he probably would only be really satisfied if he won without taking a single hit, which, again, doesn't mean that he didn't win even though he had trouble.

I'm not saying that Vegeta didn't win, I'm talking about why Vegeta wasn't satisfied.

I don't recall him saying anything like that. But he was grinning like an idiot when he thought of using the form, and then again when he decided to replace the moon, and laughing his ass off when he transformed.

He liked the fact that he was going to rcush Goku, but he didn't like the fact that he was forced to use it against someone like him.

[The Monkey King]

I have a feeling this special is gonna give me feels

[Fionordequester]

Honestly, I get what Saiga is saying, but I don't think he quite understands how Vegeta felt at the time. I mean, imagine that, say, Anderson Silva is fighting Chris Weidman (the guy who broke his leg) in a street brawl in order to prove his superiority. But then five minutes in, he just pulls out a gun and shoots Chris, thinking that he's going to lose otherwise.

In such a case, yeah, technically he won, but Anderson's not going to feel like he really accomplished anything. If anything, he's just going to feel even more pathetic than before for essentially having to cheat. And that's how Vegeta probably felt when he pulled out the Oozaru form. So basically, as Mike from Breaking Bad says...

"Just because you shot Jesse James, that don't make you no Jesse James". And Vegeta obviously understood that.

[rereboy]

Honestly, I get what Saiga is saying, but I don't think he quite understands how Vegeta felt at the time. I mean, imagine that, say, Anderson Silva is fighting Chris Weidman (the guy who broke his leg) in a street brawl in order to prove his superiority. But then five minutes in, he just pulls out a gun and shoots Chris, thinking that he's going to lose otherwise.

In such a case, yeah, technically he won, but Anderson's not going to feel like he really accomplished anything. If anything, he's just going to feel even more pathetic than before for essentially having to cheat. And that's how Vegeta probably felt when he pulled out the Oozaru form. So basically, as Mike from Breaking Bad says...

"Just because you shot Jesse James, that don't make you no Jesse James". And Vegeta obviously understood that.

Actually, its much more like the guy already defeated the other guy, and he lies broken on the floor. Using his last strength, he tries to pull a gun on him from his pants, but the other one just kicks the gun away and the broken man knows that he is about to die. Only, when he is about to be finished, some other guy appears, grabs the gun from the floor and shoots him. Hurt by the bullet, he is forced to retreat.

That guy might be frustrated that he was forced to retreat and couldn't do what he wanted and so he swears revenge, but even in that state he should understand that he won the solo fight.

[Attitudefan]

Vegeta lost one on one in a combat between two men and their fighting techniques. So, fist to fist, Goku beat Vegeta, but Vegeta defeated Goku.

In other words, Goku won the fight, but Vegeta won the war (and all is fair in love and war, but it hurt Vegeta's pride since he could not beat Goku man to man, face to face. He had to resort to "underhanded" tactics to win).

[TheGmGoken]

Yup I can tell it's Scarz artwork due to how she draw her eyes. Goku looks like Tarzan