"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

[SansrivaaL]

Sorbet, not Freeza which kinda makes it iffy for some who cares a lot about feats. So I kinda hope DBS change this or fix it but yeah lowering your ki is a pretty dumb move.

Vegeta didnt die from the earths explosion, he couldnt survive in space. Whis and Beerus even mentions that Freeza may have survived, and that was him heavily down on stamina and ki.

I though that was Freeza but Sorbet? Okay...
Also Vegeta cant survive in space is compete BS on Toei part, because thats like saying Vegeta died because he forgot to hold his breath. DBS is already inconsistent enough with the whole Whis and Beerus talking in space so then why cant Vegeta atleast survive in space for a short period of time to get into the Whis bubble? He probably was killed by the explosion.

The problem there is did Vegeta know Whis made a bubble barrier for the others? he had no clue hence didnt care and no they cant hold their breath for that long, Goku even took less than a mint fighting Frieza in the sea.

[MaGyunia]

Kai already ended with Goku leaving with Uub. I think it would be wrong if they retcon the ending to DBZ so soon.

Keep in mind that the ending was written at a time where Toriyama was tired of the franchise and just wanted to get done with it so him not being happy with the ending and thinking up a new (hopefully) better one now that he's happy writing for the franchise again isn't surprising to me.

I''ve never liked the way DBZ ended in those 3 last episodes, with that last Tenkaichi Budokai and the introduction of Uub. I have no qualms with Goku having a full-fledged "disciple", but I just never welcomed Uub as a character with open arms, unlike most, or almost all others, for some reason.

Since they're retconning BoG and Fukkatsu no F while introducing the same characters and stages even though in different circumstances and at a different timing, there would be no harm to go one step further and actually retcon DBZ's ending, have Pan be born much sooner than she did and be 9 years old by the end of DBZ, but somehow I just think it's not going to happen. I believe Toriyama views the whole sequence of events throughout DB and DBZ as the one and only main timeline, unlike the movies and GT (and by "movies" we now obviously need to include the 2008 special, BoG and Fukaktsu no F). I highly doubt they'll go for a retcon of those last 3 episodes, but if they do go down the road of major changes in the timeline's which would cause inconsistencies and plot holes regarding the 10-year-later ending of DBZ, it would just become non-canon and we would need to accept it, just as we "learned" and went through the process of accepting GT, BoG and Fukkatsu no F as non-canon anymore.

After so many years of coming up with storylines, characters and backgrounds, in an entire massive and intensive creative process, by the Majin Buu arc he was pretty much starting to run out of ideas (understandably), hence the unsatisfying ending of DBZ. They should have never gone for a 10-year time skip between episodes 288 and 289 back in 1996. On the other hand, exploring that 10 year gap provides us with numerous possibilities for character development and events, which is basically what they've been doing in recent years in this process of revitalization of DBZ with the 2008, 2013 and 2015 movies that led to DBSuper as a full-fledged series after 18 years, but if they keep the last 3 episodes as they were, unless the exploration of the 6th Universe arc (or some potential follow-up arc) happens after a massive time-skip, which I highly doubt, whatever happens during the 10 year gap (introduction of Beerus and Whis, Goku (and Vegeta) reaching Super Saiya-jin God, introduction of Champa and his attendant, Freeza's resurrection and return to Earth, Goku and Vegeta training under Whis, Goku and Vegeta achieving Super Saiya-jin God Super Saiya-jin, exploration of the 6th Universe and the resulting who-knows how many and how powerful antagonists villains) will eventually and inevitably lead to that, and by that last Tenkaichi Budokai and the appearance of Uub it just doesn't seem that they went through all of those events.

[MaGyunia]

[/quote] Except if you tried to hold your breath while in the vacuum of space your entire body would explode. Which is why breathing in space is impossible, and why I wish people would use the term "SURVIVE in space", because NOBODY can breath in space.[/quote]

That's right, "breathing in space" is physically impossible to ANY race, as there's no oxygen to breathe in the vacuum. Those who belong to races which can SURVIVE in space, like Freeza, can most likely do so due to race-restricted abilities of resorting to a different method of keeping the oxygen in their bodies, creating it somehow or some other species-restricted ability. I've always defended the theory that those who can't survive in space and still do so and even fight there at full power - we've seen Bardock, Nappa, Vegeta and Goku standing/flying/fighting IN the vacuum of space - are able to do so by generating a Ki barrier or shield (visible or invisible one) to conserve the oxygen and keep from being in direct physical contact with the chemicals outside of that barrier. The fact that Brolly saves himself and Paragas from the destruction of Planet Vegeta - although, as we discussed before, it didn't really "happen" - by generating a Ki barrier pretty much helps to strengthen that theory.

[MaGyunia]

Kai already ended with Goku leaving with Uub. I think it would be wrong if they retcon the ending to DBZ so soon.

I'm just imagining the internet uproar if we don't get a timeskip to 4 years after Buu and despite that Videl is pregnant during the confrontation with Beerus. Guess that would mean not only would Super be ignoring GT, but it would ignore end of Z as well, I'd be okay with that honestly.

They could always change the ritual to require one less Saiyan, so Pan wouldn't be necessary anyway.

Or there's Tarble, but there haven't been any hints of him appearing in Super so far.

Yeah I think they could change the ritual to become a SSjG to be a different number or they do something wacky like wish back Radditz as a good guy.

They can pretty much do whatever they like with the circumstances in which the state of Super Saiya-jin God can be reached. They seem to be keeping almost all of the key-aspects of BoG, though, but if one major thing may change it will be the way to attain SSJ. They could either: 1- keep the exact same ritual - which means there needs to be a time-skip at some point to have Pan be already conceived, have Tarble be (re)introduced (unlikely, he lacks the potential to become an interesting character showing up out of nowhere, being Vegeta's brother without him, Nappa or Raditz ever even mentioning him to ANYBODY), have either Raditz or Nappa or, who knows?, even have Bardock be resurrected (which I would love if it happened, as I always wondered and dreamed about an actual interaction between Goku and Bardock), but all of these instances of bringing back other Saiya-jin seem too far-fetched to me; 2- change the ritual by diminishing the necessary Saiya-jin by one; 3- invent another ritual, or; 4- go for a total and absolute change and have Super Saiya-jin God be a state that can be reached through another method and without the help of anyone else (Goku says more than once in BoG that he didn't particularly appreciate the fact he couldn't attain the stage by himself alone, although he later manages to do so and incorporate the state itself and even master it AND upgrade on it).

All of these are possibilities, ones more than the others, but unless we get more leaked info before it happens, we'll need to see what they've chosen when we see the actual episodes as they come out.

[VegettoEX]

MaGyunia, it would be great if you could collect all of your thoughts into one post. You can quote multiple people in a single post, so there is no need to make three posts in a row. Thanks.

[Birusu16]

I'd love it if Beerus and Goku's second fight took place primarily in space. The little portion of their fight in BoGs that took place in space was probably my favorite moment of the fight. Either that, or show them fighting across multiple terrains like in BoGs. That was awesome. What I don't want is to see an entire fight take place over the water and seeing as Bulma's party takes place on a cruise ship, that might very well happen.

[Tsufuru]

didnt whis say freezer survived?

I'm pretty sure vegetas death was meant to show what would have happened if they are too careless.

[Captain Space]

So, for those people talking about Super providing "feats" for comparative purposes: Last episode we had Beerus finger-tap half a planet to death and reappear thousands of miles away seconds later. This episode, we had him travelling an interstellar distance in under a minute and twenty seconds.

So...yeah.

[White Oni]

So, for those people talking about Super providing "feats" for comparative purposes: Last episode we had Beerus finger-tap half a planet to death and reappear thousands of miles away seconds later. This episode, we had him travelling an interstellar distance in under a minute and twenty seconds.

So...yeah.

What's and interstellar distance?

Was he using teleportation or whis' staff?

[Captain Space]

What's and interstellar distance?

Was he using teleportation or whis' staff?

First question: As in a distance between two star systems (so somewhere in the light years).

Second question: Whis and his staff were already on a random planet, Beerus was back home; Beerus then, in the aforementioned something-less-than-80-seconds (timeframe given to us by Whis' dialogue), made his way to said planet, and as far as we know he does not possess teleportation (otherwise why would he spend 20 minutes flying to Kaio's in BoG).

(The "random planet" they end up on is the place with that four-armed red alien Beerus fights.)

[foxfang4]

Would the moderators consider opening a thread on Dragonball Super's merchandise?

I imagine that TOEI will start releasing lines of toys, and other products related to the series. And I'd be interested to see them listed on some kind of thread.

What do you think?

[DoomieDoomie911]

Would the moderators consider opening a thread on Dragonball Super's merchandise?

I imagine that TOEI will start releasing lines of toys, and other products related to the series. And I'd be interested to see them listed on some kind of thread.

What do you think?

Anyone can start a thread regarding Super from anywhere else; it'll just be moved over to Super's subforum.

[bleed0range]

What's and interstellar distance?

Was he using teleportation or whis' staff?

First question: As in a distance between two star systems (so somewhere in the light years).

Second question: Whis and his staff were already on a random planet, Beerus was back home; Beerus then, in the aforementioned something-less-than-80-seconds (timeframe given to us by Whis' dialogue), made his way to said planet, and as far as we know he does not possess teleportation (otherwise why would he spend 20 minutes flying to Kaio's in BoG).

(The "random planet" they end up on is the place with that four-armed red alien Beerus fights.)

Why does everyone assume Beerus was back home? I assumed the entire time he was just in space waiting or something while Whis went down to the planet to get the dinosaur meat. He just flew down from the upper atmosphere (space) when he got impatient to see what was taking so long. Whis was his ride home the whole time.

[Doctor.]

What's and interstellar distance?

Was he using teleportation or whis' staff?

First question: As in a distance between two star systems (so somewhere in the light years).

Second question: Whis and his staff were already on a random planet, Beerus was back home; Beerus then, in the aforementioned something-less-than-80-seconds (timeframe given to us by Whis' dialogue), made his way to said planet, and as far as we know he does not possess teleportation (otherwise why would he spend 20 minutes flying to Kaio's in BoG).

(The "random planet" they end up on is the place with that four-armed red alien Beerus fights.)

Why does everyone assume Beerus was back home? I assumed the entire time he was just in space waiting or something while Whis went down to the planet to get the dinosaur meat. He just flew down from the upper atmosphere (space) when he got impatient to see what was taking so long. Whis was his ride home the whole time.

Beerus was clearly in his temple, you can see his temple, you can see the tress outside of his temple.

When he asked Whis if he was ready, he was at home, then he went to the planet.

[alakazam^]

I dunno why he calls it that, tbh. Even in the Japanese poster it's clearly calls it Battle of Gods in perfect English text. It was never like Fukkatsu No F, where it was written in Japanese. It was only ever called "Kami To Kami" in promotional material. I seriously dunno why he's calling it Kami To Kami, it's just causing more confusion. I mean, go the whole way while you're at it. Call it "Doragon Boru Zetto", too.

If by "promotional material" you mean the Japanese logo for the movie, including the title screen and the covers of the Blu-rays.

"Battle of Gods" is an English subtitle used in addition to the "Kami to Kami" (神と神) in the movie's title. When people write about the movie in Japanese, only 神と神 appears. It's just as valid a name for the movie as "Battle of Gods" if that's what someone prefers. Kind of like "Shingeki no Kyojin" versus "Attack on Titan."

"Doragon Booru Zetto" is just an approximation/pronunciation of "Dragon Ball Z." Completely different situation.

Sorry for replying so late but I still want to address this.

Rachel is right, Kami to Kami is the movie's proper name and that's why I use it. It's also to be consistent with Fukkatsu no F and not mix-matching. Other than that, I have no real reason to call it Battle of Gods because neither title is the official one in where I'm from (we actually don't have one because the movie hasn't aired as of yet) and if I have to forcefully use a foreign title to refer to the movie I'd rather use the Japanese one (well, Battle of Gods is part of the Japanese name as well but you get what I meant). To be honest, I knew some people would get confused by "KtK" and that was the point as this is my way of parodying the growing tendency of people abbreviating random words like "end of Z" or "beginning of Dragon Ball" which I think is stupid and does more harm than good.

And yeah, "Kami to Kami" and "Doragon Booru Zetto" aren't the same thing at all.

[bleed0range]

Beerus was clearly in his temple, you can see his temple, you can see the tress outside of his temple.

When he asked Whis if he was ready, he was at home, then he went to the planet.

Oh, I completely didn't realize he was at home. Completely forgot about that part where it shows the outside of his temple.

[Noah]

Can someone say to me if it is explained how King Kai recovered his planet?

[TheDevilsCorpse]

Can someone say to me if it is explained how King Kai recovered his planet?

If it's not being changed from the film version, then that won't be addressed until Beerus and Whis show up there and talk about how he recreated it.

[Captain Space]

Can someone say to me if it is explained how King Kai recovered his planet?

Maybe they were sort of hinting at it with the line in episode 2 about him being able to just rebuild any stuff Goku destroys?

[Marco Polo]

Can someone say to me if it is explained how King Kai recovered his planet?

Maybe they were sort of hinting at it with the line in episode 2 about him being able to just rebuild any stuff Goku destroys?

I love that Super has such a thing as foreshadowing. This is something new, since Toriyama used to not plan his story in advance so there was never any significant foreshadowing in previous sagas.