The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

[supercat]

Sorry if already answered but: Raditz vs Tarble

The fact that Tarble was sent away to a remote location tells me that he is simply not meant for combat. With that said, I'm beginning to wonder if King Vegeta sent his son away from the potential dangers heading their way because he deeply treasured him.

for me its clear that he was scum to him. like vegeta didnt give a shit about killing his long year comrad nappa, i dont think his father would have problems sending away his son, especially since he allready had vegeta and the saiyans send their babys away anyway. its not a big deal to most of them

i wonder what king vegeta would have done with broly if he was his son. i dont think he would have tried to murder him than.

I don't know, it's almost as if he knew Tarble would only end up getting killed, and hence sent him away for his own protection. If he really didn't care, he probably would have let him die in combat or something. All speculation at this point.

[Captain Space]

I interpreted it as the king being too proud of his own royal blood flowing in Tarble's veins to just effectively have him killed, but not being able to stand the sight of him, so sending him away made for an acceptable middle ground.

[supercat]

Well it could have been out of sheer embarrassment of his son's insignificant power level.

[LightBing]

Base 25th WMAT Goku vs Imperfect Cell (Pre-Human absorption)
Great Ape Buuhan vs SSJ1 Vegito
SPC's using Shin-Kikoho and Kaioken at the same time vs SSJ2 Gohan's Father-Son Kamehameha
SSJ Raditz and and SSJ Nappa vs The Ginyu Force
Mystic Broly (M10) vs Buutenks
Goku + Gohan Fusion Potara (Buu Sega) vs Vegito

- With Goku at 100 meters, Cell pick ups a rock blows on it, head-shooting Goku dead(If BoG is disregarded of course).
- Vegetto is still a good bit ahead; and can cut it's tail?! Not sure how that would work.
- Cell overkill's too much power.
- Just Nappa would be enough to clean the Ginyu Force. Raditz just watches will brushing his hair.
- Depends on Broly's potential, I'm gonna say no. He wouldn't even touch Buutenks.
- Vegetto wins. The potara is very specific about the compatibility of the fusees and the Goku, Vegeta combo trumps the other one. The fight would be close to #18 vs SSJ Vegeta without the infinite energy.

Sorry if already answered but: Raditz vs Tarble

Raditz wins in a fight to the near death. Tarble was expelled because of his low starting potential for a royal member, at least that's my opinion.

[ZombieVito]

Base 25th WMAT Goku vs Imperfect Cell (Pre-Human absorption)
Great Ape Buuhan vs SSJ1 Vegito
SPC's using Shin-Kikoho and Kaioken at the same time vs SSJ2 Gohan's Father-Son Kamehameha
SSJ Raditz and and SSJ Nappa vs The Ginyu Force
Mystic Broly (M10) vs Buutenks
Goku + Gohan Fusion Potara (Buu Sega) vs Vegito

Cell one shots Goku.
Buuhan kills even SS2 Vegetto.
Cell wins.
A team consisting of one 75,000 fighter and one 200,000 fighter vs a team with three 40,000-45,000 fighters, one 8,000-10,000 fighter and one 120,000 fighter. Team A massacres.
Fuck Broly.
Gokan wins with ease.

[In Brightest Day]

I interpreted it as the king being too proud of his own royal blood flowing in Tarble's veins to just effectively have him killed, but not being able to stand the sight of him, so sending him away made for an acceptable middle ground.

This is very Game of Thrones, but explains it pretty well.

[Captain Space]

I interpreted it as the king being too proud of his own royal blood flowing in Tarble's veins to just effectively have him killed, but not being able to stand the sight of him, so sending him away made for an acceptable middle ground.

This is very Game of Thrones, but explains it pretty well.

I was trying to think along the lines of medieval royalty, yeah.

[Alex9196]

majin vegeta vs lssj broly (broly second coming)

super perfect cell vs ssj2 teen gohan (obviously that happened in the series, but i mean without any interfearings, no goku motivating gohan no vegeta disturbing cell and no one-armed gohan who protectet vegeta)

king cold vs cooler

tao baibai vs tsuru sennin

grandpa gohan vs muten roshi

super janemba vs super buu

[Captain Space]

majin vegeta vs lssj broly (broly second coming)

super perfect cell vs ssj2 teen gohan (obviously that happened in the series, but i mean without any interfearings, no goku motivating gohan no vegeta disturbing cell and no one-armed gohan who protectet vegeta)

king cold vs cooler

tao baibai vs tsuru sennin

grandpa gohan vs muten roshi

super janemba vs super buu

Vegeta, I'm pretty sure.

I think Gohan could take Cell in a straight-up fight at that point.

Probably Cooler? Given that his final attack was able to give SSJ Goku some trouble, and back-on-Earth Goku > Trunks (when he killed Freeza and Cold), who Cold couldn't faze at all.

I think Tao was stated to be his brother's superior? Maybe?

Gohan; he was able to take on a much more experienced Goku than the one that almost beat Roshi.

Both are above SSJ3, but I got the impression that Janemba was significantly less so (Goku able to land a good few hits, not to mention just thinking SSJ3 would work whereas he held no such illusions about Super Buu); so, Buu.

[DBZAOTA482]

I think Tao was stated to be his brother's superior. Maybe?

During his fight with Jackie Chun, Tien noted to himself that Chun is even more powerful than Tsuru-sennin implying Tsuru was the strongest person he knew up till that point and he says this despite knowing Chun would put up a better fight than Yamcha which gives Tsuru heafty lead over his younget brother.

[Captain Space]

I think Tao was stated to be his brother's superior. Maybe?

During his fight with Jackie Chun, Tenshinhan noted to himself that Chun is even more powerful than Tsuru-sennin implying Tsuru was the strongest person he knew up till that point and he says this despite knowing Chun would put up a better fight than Yamcha which gives Tsuru heafty lead over his younget brother.

Ah, okay, thanks.

[Noah]

I would like you guys if possible to elaborate who would win this fight and why:


SSJ Goten (First apperance/Pre-RoSaT) x 100% Full Power Freeza

[Captain Space]

I would like you guys if possible to elaborate who would win this fight and why:


SSJ Goten (First apperance/Pre-RoSaT) x 100% Full Power Freeza

I believe it'd be Goten, easily, because:

-SSJ Goten was able to pressure SSJ Gohan somewhat, so he can't be much weaker than him. Of course, we don't know quite how much power Gohan lost since the Cell Games, but...

-SSJ Trunks was a tiny amount stronger than Goten, but still it seemed like Gohan was stronger than him.

-SSJ Trunks was able to, similarly, pressure SSJ Vegeta somewhat.

-Buu Saga Vegeta >>> Cell Games Vegeta > Super Vegeta >>> Semi-Perfect Cell >>> android 16 > 17/18 > android arc SSJ > Yardrat Goku > Future Trunks (first appearance) > Freeza

-Hence, Trunks, and by extension Goten, should still be miles ahead of Freeza.

[Noah]

I believe it'd be Goten, easily, because:

-SSJ Goten was able to pressure SSJ Gohan somewhat, so he can't be much weaker than him. Of course, we don't know quite how much power Gohan lost since the Cell Games, but...

-SSJ Trunks was a tiny amount stronger than Goten, but still it seemed like Gohan was stronger than him.

-SSJ Trunks was able to, similarly, pressure SSJ Vegeta somewhat.

-Buu Saga Vegeta >>> Cell Games Vegeta > Super Vegeta >>> Semi-Perfect Cell >>> android 16 > 17/18 > android arc SSJ > Yardrat Goku > Future Trunks (first appearance) > Freeza

-Hence, Trunks, and by extension Goten, should still be miles ahead of Freeza.

Couldn't we say that Gohan was holding back while sparring, same about Vegeta? Goten didn't have much experience in battles also he didn't know how to fly... Even if he is way stronger than him, Freeza could just blow up the entire planet with Goten, making he kinda victorious?

[Captain Space]

Couldn't we say that Gohan was holding back same about Vegeta? Goten didn't have much experience in battles also he didn't know how to fly... Even if he is way stronger than him, Freeza could just blow up the entire planet with Goten, making he kinda victorious?

They were "holding back" in the sense that they were letting the kids attack them; but both the adults ended up sweating quite a lot during the fight, implying real exertion. Additionally, Gohan had to retreat the entire time, including taking to the air, and Vegeta had to break his defensive thing and knock Trunks down to avoid taking a hit (he was about to).

You could potentially say that, but couldn't you say that about almost any match involving Freeza?

[Alex9196]

I would like you guys if possible to elaborate who would win this fight and why:


SSJ Goten (First apperance/Pre-RoSaT) x 100% Full Power Freeza

i would say ssj goten, because in the tournament he and trunks held their own against 18 which i consider roughly 2-3 times the power of freeza. so if goten was weaker than freeza trunks would also be weaker or maybe the same.

2x more powerful than someone is enough for complete domination, even if there are two of them.

[LightBing]

I would like you guys if possible to elaborate who would win this fight and why:


SSJ Goten (First apperance/Pre-RoSaT) x 100% Full Power Freeza

Goten defeats him without dificulty, he's greatly above him.
It's implied that he's above #18; during the Budokai fight Trunks fires a held back ki attack, which surprises #18 because of it's speed and force.

Here's some number for comparison:
Buu Arc numbers
100% Freeza - 1
#18 - 1,75
SSJ Goten(Pre) - 4,8
SSJ Trunks(Pre) - 5
SSJ Gohan - 13
SSJ Vegeta(Pre Majin) -16
SSJ Goku - 18

If Trunks was close to Gohan, Vegeta would've mentioned. He was training him to surpass Gohan (Bulma's words), and said during the arc 3/4 times how much weaker Gohan had gotten.

[Pantalones]

I'd say the gap between Freeza and #18 has got to be bigger than that... she was able to play around with SSj Vegeta and then flatten him the instant she got serious, after all, and that version of Vegeta was stronger than post-Yardrat Goku, who was stronger than Trunks (who killed Freeza easily), who was at least a bit stronger than Namek Goku, who was stronger than 100% Freeza.

I would put her at closer to a 3 on that scale instead. Still weaker than the Super Saiyan kids, but also way stronger than Freeza.

But yeah, either of the kids (in Super Saiyan) should be able to easily beat Freeza.

[LightBing]

I'd say the gap between Freeza and #18 has got to be bigger than that... she was able to play around with SSj Vegeta and then flatten him the instant she got serious, after all, and that version of Vegeta was stronger than post-Yardrat Goku, who was stronger than Trunks (who killed Freeza easily), who was at least a bit stronger than Namek Goku, who was stronger than 100% Freeza.

I would put her at closer to a 3 on that scale instead. Still weaker than the Super Saiyan kids, but also way stronger than Freeza.

But yeah, either of the kids (in Super Saiyan) should be able to easily beat Freeza.

I disagree. Most of time in Dragon Ball a plus 10% gap in power is enough to manhandle an opponent. Also Trunks was amazed at how Vegeta was able to hold his ground against #18. He started losing because of infinite energy of the android. Trunks should be stronger than Yardrat Goku, since Goku said he(Trunks) was holding back during their little exchange.

New Fights:
Vegeta and Piccolo vs Goku(No Kaioken) - At their powers when fighting True Form Freeza

Base Goten and Trunks(Pre RoSaT) vs Yakon

Mr Satan vs Man-Wolf

[Captain Space]

Trunks should be stronger than Yardrat Goku, since Goku said he(Trunks) was holding back during their little exchange.

I'd argue "using one finger" is holding back a lot more. Plus, Trunks' dialogue in that scene and some dialogue in his backstory manga special chapter thing implies to me that Yardrat Goku was stronger than Future Trunks was at that time.

New Fights:
Vegeta and Piccolo vs Goku(No Kaioken) - At their powers when fighting True Form Freeza

Base Goten and Trunks(Pre RoSaT) vs Yakon

Mr Satan vs Man-Wolf

Vegeta was hilariously outclassed, Piccolo even more so. I don't see their combined efforts taking out Goku.

Yakon (unless the kids can fuse into Gotenks, since that *is* a technique they possess). He was around base Goku's level, right?

Hmm, not sure. Maybe Man-Wolf due to making it through a bunch of preliminary rounds in a tournament where the competition level was actually superhuman?