Death Battle: Goku vs Superman 2

[Cetra]

I don't even know where this rematch is. I only saw one punch between them in another battle of other characters. People can't tell me that is the battle and they are debating about this again. So if there is an actual video of a rematch I would be happy to get a link for it as I couldn't find it the last time I searched.

[Blackstripe]

I'm not sure how you couldn't find it. All you had to do was type "Goku vs Superman Rematch" in youtube.

https://youtu.be/L0D0VGomWb4

But there you go.

[The Monkey King]

Did you see that second vid? Superman got punched and omega beamed to space! If that happened to Goku, he'd be dead. lol.

So what? If someone blasted Cell into space he'd survive too. Does Cell beat Goku now?

[Cetra]

The battle started quite entertaining. Then it became a waste of time.

[Sora Saiyan]

To be fair, those "planets" that Beerus was ping-ponging off of were tiny; not actual planets at all.

Bullza was talking about the planet Beerus tapped with his finger to destroy half of it, it was in episode 1 of Super, Kaiser.

"two and destroying a bunch of planets by ping ponging off of them then I don't see what was so special about what Darkseid did."
He's talking about the scene in Battle of Gods.

with finger tapping a planet in two and destroying a bunch of planets by ping ponging off of them then I don't see what was so special about what Darkseid did.

Bullza actually said both I didn't see the other part, my bad.

[pacz360]

He could beat DCAU and Man of Steel versions of Superman right?

Well, Superman in the DCAU is always consciously holding back. This was a rare glimpse of him "cutting loose" :
https://youtu.be/JpoV5pj1Agw?t=2m40s

And he's likely still holding back a great deal.

Most DBish animated Superman fight:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JLGRkYYmJgQ

Superman got shot to space in the second vid. lol. But who knows... maybe Goku could take him! ^.^

Dcau supes is weak as a hell goku would win even in base.

Did you see that second vid? Superman got punched and omega beamed to space! If that happened to Goku, he'd be dead. lol.[/quote]
Seen the video not impressed really it's not like he did something impossible or something goku can't do.

[Bullza]

Cause Goku can't breathe in Space.

Yeah but I'm sure he could hold his breathe long enough to teleport back to his opponent on Earth plus he'd need to be hit hard enough to knock him that far.

To be fair, those "planets" that Beerus was ping-ponging off of were tiny; not actual planets at all.

Where was that suggested? In RoF he destroyed one while on his planet and wasn't that referred to as a planet? Earth was considered tiny by King Cold so maybe they're on that kind of scale.

[Saiyan007]

The Omega beams in the movie would never hurt Goku in the first place

I doubt that they would hurt the likes of King Piccolo

[Polyphase Avatron]

So what, we're arguing DCAU now?

[Mewzard]

The Omega beams in the movie would never hurt Goku in the first place

I doubt that they would hurt the likes of King Piccolo

In the comics, it would be quite different. The Omega Effect has been used to erase beings from existence, restore them, send them throughout time and space, and alter matter (it can also bend and pass through matter in its dogged pursuit of a foe). Superman was given some Deus ex Machina reason why he's allowed to survive being erased, and most writers tend to forget the other effects, so sadly, it's wasted. Would have love to seen Darkseid unable to erase Superman, so he dumps him somewhere on the other side of the universe to give him time to finish his business, or send him somewhere in distant time that wouldn't bother Darkseid.

Gods aren't immune to the Omega Effect either, as he's used it before on other gods (living on a planet of gods and fighting another planet of gods will do that).

[KaiserNeko]

Cause Goku can't breathe in Space.

Yeah but I'm sure he could hold his breathe long enough to teleport back to his opponent on Earth plus he'd need to be hit hard enough to knock him that far.

To be fair, those "planets" that Beerus was ping-ponging off of were tiny; not actual planets at all.

Where was that suggested? In RoF he destroyed one while on his planet and wasn't that referred to as a planet? Earth was considered tiny by King Cold so maybe they're on that kind of scale.

I mean, look at the size of them in relation to Beerus, as well as their distance from his location and the time it takes to travel between them. It's kind of obvious they're ornamental, at least I believe so.

Also, considering the scene is so obviously meant for comedy, I would take it with a grain of salt as well. And as far as RoF goes... not sure, but if it's a legitimate, Earth-sized "planet" then they do a terrible job at presenting that.

[fadeddreams5]

The Omega beams in the movie would never hurt Goku in the first place

Well, he got pierced through the heart in his SSGSS form by a mook, so technically, they can. =P

Yeah but I'm sure he could hold his breathe long enough to teleport back to his opponent on Earth plus he'd need to be hit hard enough to knock him that far..

He'd need to IT pretty quickly. Some time ago, I'd say Darkseid's punch is greater than anything Goku has ever experienced in his life, but then Beerus did that planet splitting poke, so... maybe not. xD

[Bullza]

I found this old comment from Herms about it and he said

They're called "planets" (星/hoshi) in Chouzenshuu 4's entry on "wasabi". But then, Kaio's planet is always called a planet too, even though in real astronomic terms it wouldn't really make the cut. So those planets Beers destroyed might not necessarily be proper planet-sized planets, so to speak.

They could just be small, you're right that they appear that way in relation to Beerus but they don't look small in the way that King Kai's planet was where you could see the road and the trees.

In Super, Beerus had a MFTL feat so I don't know if how quick he went from one planet to the other would be an indicator of their size if he travelled between them at similar speeds.

[Saiyan007]

Well, he got pierced through the heart in his SSGSS form by a mook, so technically, they can. =P

*If Goku doesn't willingly drop his power lvl he's not getting hurt simple

Omega beams in the dcau aren't impressive

He'd need to IT pretty quickly. Some time ago, I'd say Darkseid's punch is greater than anything Goku has ever experienced in his life, but then Beerus did that planet splitting poke, so... maybe not. xD

Dcau Darkseid punch is above Goku based on what?

[fadeddreams5]

Dcau Darkseid punch is above Goku based on what?

Based on the fact that Goku and no one in his universe have any physical feats of their own. I've never seen Goku punch someone to space or lift anything heavier than several tons, prior to Super.

[Saiyan007]

How much you lift doesn't affect how hard you strike

Force = mass x acceleration

[KaiserNeko]

Dcau Darkseid punch is above Goku based on what?

Based on the fact that Goku and no one in his universe have any physical feats of their own. I've never seen Goku punch someone to space or lift anything heavier than several tons, prior to Super.

Real quick...

Base Super Saiyan Goku can easily punch and kick with 10 tons strapped to each of his arms and legs.

Also, there's very little-- to basically no-- evidence Goku could not punch somebody into space.

I found this old comment from Herms about it and he said

They're called "planets" (星/hoshi) in Chouzenshuu 4's entry on "wasabi". But then, Kaio's planet is always called a planet too, even though in real astronomic terms it wouldn't really make the cut. So those planets Beers destroyed might not necessarily be proper planet-sized planets, so to speak.

They could just be small, you're right that they appear that way in relation to Beerus but they don't look small in the way that King Kai's planet was where you could see the road and the trees.

In Super, Beerus had a MFTL feat so I don't know if how quick he went from one planet to the other would be an indicator of their size if he travelled between them at similar speeds.

I'm sorry, but I'm not budging on this one.

With the way they're positioned and by the speed presented, I refuse to believe they're "Earth sized" planets. That's just ludicrous, even from a comedic angle. While Beerus might be insanely fast, that just defies all logic, even as presented in the rest of the series. Also consider that their explosions are no where close to similar to any other normal sized planets, and are much more similar to what we see from King Kai's planet. Furthermore, their explosions overlap Beerus' temple, implying them to both be close in proximity to the temple proper, and closer to the screen than the temple itself.

[White Oni]

DBZ combat speed is FTL

FTL attacks = infinite mass punch in DC

And infinite mass punch is one of the flash's AND superman's ultimate weapons.

Lifting strength doesn't mean much when it comes to impact force in comics. The flash can't lift very much but he's knocked out some of DC's most durable fighters with a single blow.

So I really have no idea why people are so concerned with how much goku can lift, it's sorta like men comparing biceps in real life, one of the most useless muscles when it comes to fighting, yet everyone seems to think its the end all be all of strength.

[fadeddreams5]

How much you lift doesn't affect how hard you strike

Force = mass x acceleration

Exactly. Despite his apparent speed, he's never punched with the force to send someone through the stratosphere.

So I really have no idea why people are so concerned with how much goku can lift, it's sorta like men comparing biceps in real life, one of the most useless muscles when it comes to fighting, yet everyone seems to think its the end all be all of strength.

I was referring to physical feats, in general. Not just lifting.

Also, there's very little-- to absolute no-- evidence Goku could not punch somebody into space.

But that's my point. You can't argue he could because he never has. You have to prove he can.

For the record, I'm not saying Goku can or can't beat DCAU Darkseid. But I'm seeing arguments like, "That punch wouldn't even hurt or move Goku!" and "The Omega Beams would only tickle him!" But what is all this based on? What gives people this certainty that DCAU Darkseid's punch is King Piccolo tier and DCAU Superman is much less durable than Goku?

[Saiyan007]

Because there's very little proof Dcau characters have what it takes to takes on someone like Piccolo at the world tournament way back in DB

Except for that one time in Young justice Superman got knocked out by an Island lvl attack


Edit: btw punching someone to space is physically inferior to physically hurting someone like raditz who can tank casual moon lvl attacks with ease