"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

[Beerus-sama]

This opening sequence already covers the first part of Super, Beerus, Champa, the 6 Universe thing and FnF with Goku, Vegeta and Gohan fighting against Freeza soldiers... It also covers Jaco appearance at sometime in the series...

[TheDevilsCorpse]

The Freeza soldiers so far are the only confirmed/true tease for material beyond the Beerus Arc so far in the opening. We don't know when Champa shows up, it could still be at the end of BOG's retelling, and the portal thing could be a metaphorical representation of Goku and Vegeta reaching godhood and not Universe 6 stuff.

[Beerus-sama]

..., and the portal thing could be a metaphorical representation of Goku and Vegeta reaching godhood and not Universe 6 stuff.

Going by the lyrics, yes

Maybe we will get a new Opening/new opening material with the same song for the 6th universe arc...

[TheDevilsCorpse]

It would be pretty weird at this point to dive into Universe 6 with Super Saiyan God still being teased in the opening. I think it's pretty likely that we'll get a combination of Kai updates for the OP and ED. The OP will likely receive tweaked segments that better reflect the events going on in the arc, similar to Dragon Soul in Kai 1.0, The ED animation and songs will probably just be replaced entirely every cour, like with Kai 2,0.

[MaGyunia]

It would be pretty weird at this point to dive into Universe 6 with Super Saiyan God still being teased in the opening. I think it's pretty likely that we'll get a combination of Kai updates for the OP and ED. The OP will likely receive tweaked segments that better reflect the events going on in the arc, similar to Dragon Soul in Kai 1.0, The ED animation and songs will probably just be replaced entirely every cour, like with Kai 2,0.

Exactly. The first "round" of Kai from 2009 to 2011 had a total of 4 different pieces of animation during the second half of the opening (one for the Saiya-jin arc, one for the Freeza arc, one for the Jinzouningen arc and one for the Cell arc), while keeping the first half of the opening exactly the same throughout the series, also with the same theme. I'd think DBSuper is going to do exactly the same, matching parts of the animation within the opening to fit the arc that's running at the time, even though we already get hints at the Freeza arc (Vegeta and Goku fighting Freeza's army-armored soldiers) and the 6th Universe arc (the appearance of Champa and his attendant alongside Beerus and Whis).

One thing which will definitely change is the image shown in the background when the episode's title shows up - we're getting the image of Beerus at this point, and I assume we'll get Freeza's and then Champa's or that of whoever the major antagonist/villain of the 6th Universe arc will be.

Do you guys think DBSuper is going to run BEYOND the 6th Universe arc?

All of this time we've been discussing it as if there were only going to be three arcs within the TV series, as that's the only official information we have, but that doesn't mean they won't extend it and have further arcs beyond the major third one. If DBSuper stops at a total of 3 arcs it not only faintly reminds me of GT (also 3 major arcs), it's also impossible to make it able to stretch to anything beyond 50 episodes or something around that number, unless the 6th Universe arc turns out to be much longer than the other ones. We can estimate that the Beerus arc will be done within a total of 12/14 episodes, and the Freeza arc as well, with two or three episodes in-between, so it's likely the 6th Universe arc will begin by episode 28/30 at the latest, making it pretty hard to stretch DBSuper to something around 100 episodes (if there's no other major arc after the 6th Universe one, it would need to be about 70 episodes-long, which seems too much of a far-fetched scenario to me, that kind of episode numbers was typical only of DBZ's major arcs from two decades ago).

[Noah]

Do you guys think DBSuper is going to run BEYOND the 6th Universe arc?

I hope not, don't really want to see a SSGSS Rainbow bullsh*t or something, I actually hope that SSGSS is the last transformation we ever see

[MaGyunia]

Do you guys think DBSuper is going to run BEYOND the 6th Universe arc?

I hope not, don't really want to see a SSGSS Rainbow bullsh*t or something, I actually hope that SSGSS is the last transformation we ever see

Well, if we go through the entirety of DBZ ever since we first saw a Super Saiya-jin transformation, there are numerous SSJ stages, and after so many years of inactivity, all of a sudden, in a matter of two years we got introduced to THREE new Super Saiya-jin stages (Super Saiya-jin God, Saiya-jin beyond God - a Saiya-jin who incorporated the abilities and power of the SSJG stage in his base form - and Super Saiya-jin God Super Saiya-jin), as if one wasn't enough.

That doesn't mean that the rate at which they introduce(d) new Super Saiya-jin stages for Goku (and Vegeta) to keep up with the degree of power of the Beerus + Whis duo will be the same from now onward, I honestly think they'll stop at Super Saiya-jin God Super Saiya-jin at least for the duration of DBSuper. Although both Vegeta and Goku as Super Saiya-jin God Super Saiya-jin are shown to be still below Beerus (and thus, also Whis) in Fukkatsu no F, the stage is indeed a further development in terms of abilities and power when compared to Super Saiya-jin God, and in that stage they're getting pretty close to the likes of Beerus and Whis (Whis even comments in the movie that if they teamed up in that stage they'd be able to beat Beerus). If whatever or whoever the new menace that shows up in the 6th Universe arc is on par with or even beyond Beerus and Whis, then the ultimate way to defeat them will be either to have Goku and Vegeta team up as Super Saiya-jin God Super Saiya-jin or have Beerus (and perhaps even Whis) fight alongside them (not matter how much I'd like to have the concept of fusion between Goku and Vegeta brought to the series again, and now matter how much I think that its potential hasn't been properly explored - we only saw Vegitto for a few episodes and Gogeta, whether in Movie 12 or in GT, isn't even canon and shows up only for an extremely short period of time, I'm pretty sure it won't happen, but just imagine how INSANELY powerful a fusion, regardless of the method (Potara or dance) between Goku and Vegeta would be after they reach the Super Saiya-jin God Super Saiya-jin stage; none of the fusion methods merely add the power of one of the fusees to the other one's, it multiplies them exponentially, so the level of power of a fused Vegitto or Gogeta by the time of the Freeza arc in DBSuper (or Fukkatsu no F, in the movies' version of events) would basically be arguably the strongest warrior there ever was in the entire Universe(s).

[dbgtFO]

Do you guys think DBSuper is going to run BEYOND the 6th Universe arc?

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Yeah, I'm kinda expecting the next logical step to be a struggle, that threatens all universes or something(maybe that could be in the next movie?)

[MaGyunia]

Do you guys think DBSuper is going to run BEYOND the 6th Universe arc?

Yeah, I'm kinda expecting the next logical step to be a struggle, that threatens all universes or something(maybe that could be in the next movie?)[/quote]

No doubt further movies will be made after DBSuper ends (or even WHILE it runs), but I was specifically referring to more arcs within DBSuper itself as an isolated TV series. Of course there'll be more Movies, Specials and TV series after DBSuper ends, regardless of how well it does or what critics it gets.

[ArchedThunder]

Speaking of future movies, if they do Super movies I wonder how they will approach them, will they be little what if side stories like the Z movies?

[Captain Space]

Speaking of future movies, if they do Super movies I wonder how they will approach them, will they be little what if side stories like the Z movies?

Wonder if they'll even keep doing movies as 'test runs' for arcs of Super. Probably not, but just a thought.

(More likely, if it becomes popular enough to be really long-running, they'll maybe do a side-story type movie, and then if that one does well enough and the series carries on running long enough, they'll do more.)

[fadeddreams5]

Whether Super runs beyond the Uni 6 saga completely depends on how successful it is. If its pace is as bad as the crap so far, expect that to be the end.

We might get more movies though.

[MaGyunia]

Whether Super runs beyond the Uni 6 saga completely depends on how successful it is. If its pace is as bad as the crap so far, expect that to be the end.

We might get more movies though.

I disagree, Dragonball as a franchise will never simply "end", its potential is virtually limitless. Even if they screwed up big time with DBSuper, which I personally think they aren't, despite what could be called minor shortcomings here and there, and if it ran for a shorter time than initially intended, we'll get at least about 50 episodes (I estimate that the Beerus arc will be done in 12/14 episodes, and so will the Freeza arc, with two or three smoother episodes in-between, placing the start of the 6th Universe arc at around episode 28/30, and from then on we can only speculate on how long it will run, but since it'll be the first really new stuff in terms of characters, events and villains, unlike the retelling of BoG and Fukkatsu no F in the form of arcs within DBSuper, I assume it's not only going to be the most serious arc, it's also going to be the longer. It would take a disaster at some point in DBSuper to not reach AT LEAST 50 episodes, but I'm expecting much more than that (simply because, for the reasons stated before, I'm expecting the 6th Universe arc to last much longer than the first two arcs within DBSuper, and far longer than 20 or even 25 episodes, but I could be totally wrong on that, we'll just have to wait for official info or for the actual episodes as they come out).

Even if DBSuper came down to a complete disaster (it would have worse effects than GT, since it's a full-fledged series 18 years after the last one ended, while GT was made in a rush right after DBZ ended, Toriyama wasn't even involved, it was made for commercial purposes more than anything and lacked proper planning, storyline and character backgrounds and development, which DBSuper would have no excuse for if it made these same mistakes), all it would take for Dragonball to completely and fully recover would be a new well-planned, fantastic Movie or Special like BoG to revive the franchise and the fans' interest in it and hype for it, eventually, sooner or later, generating a new full-fledged TV series and/or a set of new and canon Movies or Specials to serve as a continuation to DBZ and DBSuper in terms of storyline/timeline. It has happened in the past, and not just in Dragonball, and not just in anime altogether. The worst that can happen to Dragonball is not to simply end, it's actually to have its quality drop significantly or dramatically after Toriyama passes away or becomes too old to come up with stories in his creative process.

[fadeddreams5]

I meant, expect that to be the end of Super (i.e. no more arcs after Uni 6 one comes to an end), not the franchise. This is assuming ratings drop, of course.

[MrKaytos]

Ooooops... Shenron is soooo tiny in episodio 9



The art is aweful again... At least, we have some well-drawn scenes like that SSG down there...

[fadeddreams5]

SSJG Goku vs Beerus will surpass episode 5 in terrible quality. Mark my words.

[SSJ God Gogeta]

What the hell is up with Trunks' hair!?

[Doctor.]

What the hell is up with Trunks' hair!?

He reached Super Saiyan 2 obviously.

[fadeddreams5]

What the hell is up with Trunks' hair!?

He reached Super Saiyan 2 obviously.

Bulma getting slapped started a chain reaction.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

What the hell is up with Trunks' hair!?

He reached Super Saiyan 2 obviously.

Silly kid, he is a Super Saiyan 2.5! Look at his SS3 eyes while in SS2.