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Kamiccolo9 wrote:
Only asking because it relates to this topic, but would you mind saying how old you are? Because this is exactly the high-school mentality I mentioned earlier in the thread.
top using "adults" as a generalization. Any group of people eventually comes down to the individuals in that group, and each individual person has something from their childhood that they like. Those that don't, well, I pity that sad, sad minority.
I'm 29. Most adults don't watch cartoons. Some watch cartoons with their kids if they have children, but not for themselves.
Seriously, telling co-workers you still watch cartoons or other kid-related stuff on your own and you get weird looks with people wondering if there's something wrong with you. I'll say it again, the only acceptable pop-culture stuff is Star Wars, Star Trek, or DC and Marvel superheroes. That and the Fox comedies like Simpsons, Family Guy, etc.
Especially if you work at a high paying job where a lot of well educated people are. There are people in their 30's who if you said you watch shows aimed at kids you're scoffed at. They just watch sports or things along those lines.
There's a difference between "don't watch them" and "look down on others for watching them." Plenty of adults do the former, and most are mature enough to not do the latter. If you're surrounded by people who do look down on people for enjoying something that harms nobody, well, that's unfortunate for you.
And I'm saying you're wrong. As for working with well educated people, as I said, I teach at a university. Most of my peers have doctorates. I can assure you we are all "well educated."
Become a paediatrician and you will have an excuse not only for watching any kiddie show but also for going to work in full Batman suit or having a drawer full of sparking MLP stickers.
Become a cardiologist and nobody will say you a word about your hobby, because they know you they will need you sooner or later.
Become a surgeon and nobody starts a discussion with a men that cuts people for living.
Become a psychiatrist and now it's you that judge others for their thoughts.
You can't deny that there are people who judge others because of their hobbies, give them strange looks and so on- so what? They can do it and you can not to give a damn about it.
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Eire wrote:Become a paediatrician and you will have an excuse not only for watching any kiddie show but also for going to work in full Batman suit or having a drawer full of sparking MLP stickers.
Become a cardiologist and nobody will say you a word about your hobby, because they know you they will need you sooner or later.
Become a surgeon and nobody starts a discussion with a men that cuts people for living.
Become a psychiatrist and now it's you that judge others for their thoughts.
You can't deny that there are people who judge others because of their hobbies, give them strange looks and so on- so what? They can do it and you can not to give a damn about it.
I don't deny that those people exist. I deny that that is the "norm." It is my experience that, in general, most people are apathetic to the hobbies of the people around them, unless those hobbies in some way affect them.
I'd even say that most of the people at least try to act nice while talking about hobbies- when I say something about comics, they usually try to recall Donald Duck they used to read and seem mildly interested while hearing that DB is not dead.
Per aspera ad astra, man!
Women belong in the kitchen.
Men belong in the kitchen.
Everyone belongs in the kitchen, the kitchen has food
To be fair, universities are like the biggest judgement-free zones, especially in this day and age, at least from my experience.
That said, I've rarely ever, outside of middle/high school, had to deal with people who look down at me or "scoff" at the notion of me watching cartoons. You may not find many people who share your interests, but as Kamiccolo stated, most adults--the ones worth your time--will be completely indifferent if you tell them you still watch cartoons, or laugh it off (in a good way). Then again, I suppose culture also comes into play in that regard.
"Dragon Ball once became a thing of the past to me, but after that, I got angry about the live action movie, re-wrote an entire movie script, and now I'm complaining about the quality of the new TV anime. It seems Dragon Ball has grown on me so much that I can't leave it alone." - Akira Toriyama on Dragon Ball Super
There is a lot of geeky and nerdy people at my college. So finding things to talk about like cartoons, comics, video games and cult films is not hard to find.
I've gotten a few laughs thrown at me when I said I watched anime and read manga, but I never got laughed at when I said I read "comic books" or "cartoons". I wonder why.
It's because people gravitate to what they're used to doing in their lives. It's true, you can't share your likes with just anybody because they would look at you funny. I don't want to say that those people are dumb or assholes or anything, but I do want to say that those kinds of people are intolerant and can't accept that someone likes what he or she doesn't. I would say that such a person takes him or herself way too seriously and probably doesn't have as much fun in life as he or she could. Yes, it's all nice to go and have a drink with someone and discuss politics (I've done it), but it's also fun to watch something that I truly enjoy. I don't like the Kardashians, but if someone tells me that they do, I'm not going to look down on them. Different people have different things that entertain them. So if you're not open enough to understand that, then I'm not so sure I'm open enough to want to associate with you.
I think this is also a generational thing. Back in the day comics were only for "geeks" and kids who weren't exactly that high on the high school totem pole, while now anyone can read comics and it's just more normal. I knew popular kids who read manga and saw anime all the time in high school and college. Stuff like hentai and overly sexualized shows are still considered weird, but from my experience as someone who just graduated high school a few years ago, anime like DBZ, Code Geass and Death Note are seen as perfectly normal.
Cosplaying while still in your high school class is a different matter though haha.
Hellspawn28 wrote:I do notice that Pokemon is still view to be cool with some adults. I notice that some adults still like Pokemon, but still look down on stuff like Power Rangers as silly and stupid.
Well, PR is silly and stupid, but I still enjoy it.
I know, but I see people who are like "You still like Power Rangers? That stuff is for 10 year olds!" and these people will be like "Oh cool Pokemon! Did you get the newest shiny?". So how is liking Power Rangers bad as an adult while still liking Pokemon as an adult still socially acceptable?
I've never really dealt with any kind of stigma over the fact that I watch Dragon Ball, or any kind of anime or any type of western animated show for that matter when I young and even to this day. I guess here in the UK we're just more formal about other people's interest and taste. That, and the anime genre is quite niche here.
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Akira Toriyama wrote:My policy is to try and forget things once they’re over. Since if I don’t discard the old and focus on what’s new, I’ll overload my brain capacity. I still haven’t lived down going, “Who the heck is Tao Pai-pai?” that one time I was talking with Ei’ichiro Oda-kun. But the fact that there are still people reading the series after all this time… All I can say is; “thank you.” Really, that’s all.
Akira Toriyama wrote:Drawing Dragon Ball again reminded me of two things--how much I love it, and how much I never want to do it again.
Kunzait_83 wrote:And if you're upset because all this new material completely invalidates the tabletop RPG rulebook-sized statistical system and flowchart for the characters' "canonical Power Levels" that you'd been working on painstakingly for the last bunch of years now... well I don't think there's a kind, non-blunt way of saying this, but that's 100% entirely your own misguided fault for buying so deeply into all this nonsensical garbage in the first place. And that you also have IMMENSELY skewed and comically backwards priorities in what you think is most important and needed to make a good Dragon Ball story.
Zephyr wrote:Goodness, they wrote idiotic drivel in a children's cartoon meant to advertise toys!? Again!? For the ninetieth episode in a row!? Somebody stop the presses! We have to voice our concern over these Super important issues!
Kamiccolo9 wrote:Fair enough, I concede. Sean Schemmel probably has some kind of hidden talent. Maybe he is an expert at Minesweeper. You're right; calling him "talentless" wasn't fair.
Michsi wrote: Mon Jul 04, 2022 11:29 amIn Super Piccolo got yelled off the stage by Vegeta in the U6 Tournament arc and lost to Jiminy Cricket in the ToP , he deserved 15 new transformations with his theme song played by Metallica in the background.
I'm 30, and I've found that you're most likely to be made fun of for liking geeky stuff when you're in high school. Once you get to college and in the real world, people aren't usually as concerned about other people's likes if it doesn't impinge on them. I'm not sure if it's true anymore that most adults don't watch cartoons for themselves, but I don't think it's looked down on either, and it's not hard to find people that do. This lady I used to work with had a husband that was really big into comics and we would talk about the DCAU all the time.
Ironically, I've found it to be the case that many of the people I didn't get along with back in grade school enjoy many of the same things I did, like DBZ.
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Doctor. wrote:I've gotten a few laughs thrown at me when I said I watched anime and read manga, but I never got laughed at when I said I read "comic books" or "cartoons". I wonder why.
Because, of the people I've seen across the internet, very few of them understand that there is almost no difference between "anime and manga" and "cartoons and comics." It's sad, really.
Doctor. wrote:I've gotten a few laughs thrown at me when I said I watched anime and read manga, but I never got laughed at when I said I read "comic books" or "cartoons". I wonder why.
Well, anime and manga are basically cartoons and comics with some notable differences. When you explicitly tell them you like "anime" and "manga," maybe that comes off as technical and dweebish. idk. Just a theory. lol.
"Dragon Ball once became a thing of the past to me, but after that, I got angry about the live action movie, re-wrote an entire movie script, and now I'm complaining about the quality of the new TV anime. It seems Dragon Ball has grown on me so much that I can't leave it alone." - Akira Toriyama on Dragon Ball Super
People separate anime and manga from cartoons and comics just to be more specific. That's why book stores have manga and comics in different sections to avoid confusion. I'm okay with anime being called cartoons since that's what they are.
Anime and manga are considered to be a "style" or genre more than anything else in the US, from what I can tell. Tokyopop would publish what they'd call "Original English-language Manga" back when they were still in business (because if it has a stereotypically Japanese-looking art style and includes certain kinds of story beats, that totally makes it "manga" and not just a comic).
Anime gets away with more violent content because how censorship is different in Japan. Casual people will look at anime as something more mature compare to American animated shows. It has been like this since the 90's since anime has been known to use different levels of coloring then most American animated shows too and that give people the idea that all anime is for adults.
I personally have never had these problems. In fact most people that I know believe that DBZ is actually a Western cartoon.
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