Son Goku arc
Kuririn 7
Yamcha 9
~Wolf Fang Fist 10.5
Son Goku 10
~Oozaru 100
Gyumao 19
Roshi 30
21st Budokai
Orin Temple Bullies 9
Yamcha 12
~Wolf Fang Fist 14
Giran 16
Kuririn 20
Namu 29
Son Goku 30
~Oozaru 300
Roshi 30
Red Ribbon Army part 1
Colonel Silver 10
Ninja Murasaki 18.6
Sergeant Metallic 27
Son Goku 30
Android #8 40
Red Ribbon Army part 2
Kuririn 20
Pirate Robot 24
General Blue 27
Son Goku 36
Tao Pai Pai 75
Son Goku ( Post Karin Training ) 83
Karin 170
Uranai Baba arc
Dracula Man 10.6
Invisible Man 11
Yamcha 12
~Wolf Fang Fist 14
Kuririn 20
Mummy 36
Akkuman 54
Son Gohan 80
Son Goku 83
22nd Budokai
Panpoot 30
Chapa-o 83
Chaozu 95
Yamcha 97.5
Kuririn 100
Tsuru 120
Roshi 139
Tenshinhan 180
Son Goku
~initial 100
~little more serious 120
~speedup ( "full match level" ) 154
~Full Power 180
Piccolo Daimao arc
flash back
Roshi ( Young ) 155
Tsuru ( Young ) 155
Mutaito 170
Kuririn 100
Cymbal 110
Tambourine 148
Yajirobe 160
Karin 170
Tenshinhan 180
Son Goku 180
Drum 300
Piccolo Daimao Old
~40% 360
~100% 900
Piccolo Daimao Young
~initial 1,200
~Full Power 1,800
Son Goku ( Post Sacred Water ) 1,800
Mr. Popo 3,000
Kami 6,000
23rd Budokai
Chapa-o 110
Chaozu 720
Chi Chi 900
Cyborg Tao Pai Pai 1,200
Yamcha 1,440
Kuririn 1,500
Tenshinhan 2,100
Shen 5,400
Kami 6,000
Piccolo Jr.
~initial 1,600
~Vs Kuririn 1,800
~Vs Shen 6,000
~Warm up ( Vs Goku ) 6,000
~Full Power 10,000
Son Goku
~Weighted
-------------speed 1,800
-------------power 2,100
~W/o Weights ( Vs Ten ) 3,000
~Tenshinhan's estimation 4,500
~Warm up ( Vs Piccolo ) 6,000
~Full Power 10,000
Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread
Re: The Official Unofficial Power Levels Thread
Tenshinhan and weighted Goku are stated to be a match several times. Kame Sen'nin only brings up the difference in breathing, because Goku has learned to fight without making unnecessary movements, that was part of Kami's training.
Tenshinhan ( 23rd Budokai ) = Weighted Goku's power, which is stated to have surpassed his power from 3 years ago, which was at least equal to Piccolo Daimao Young if not slightly stronger.
It's also stated that Goku's speed has remained the same from 3 years ago. As we can see Tenshinhan is faster than Goku, by a significantly amount.
Goku ( Unweighted ) 300
Goku Weighted's power 225
Tenshinhan ( 23rd Budokai ) 225
Goku Weighted's speed/Goku 3 years ago 200
Piccolo Daimao Young 200
So yes, Tenshinhan ( 23rd Budokai ) is without a doubt stronger and faster than Piccolo Daimao Young.
Tenshinhan ( 23rd Budokai ) = Weighted Goku's power, which is stated to have surpassed his power from 3 years ago, which was at least equal to Piccolo Daimao Young if not slightly stronger.
It's also stated that Goku's speed has remained the same from 3 years ago. As we can see Tenshinhan is faster than Goku, by a significantly amount.
Goku ( Unweighted ) 300
Goku Weighted's power 225
Tenshinhan ( 23rd Budokai ) 225
Goku Weighted's speed/Goku 3 years ago 200
Piccolo Daimao Young 200
So yes, Tenshinhan ( 23rd Budokai ) is without a doubt stronger and faster than Piccolo Daimao Young.
Re: The Official Unofficial Power Levels Thread
@Zombie
I've ever proved that Tenshinhan (23rd Budokai) is stronger than Piccolo Daimao Young.
"Tenshinhan and weighted Goku are stated to be a match several times. Kame Sen'nin only brings up the difference in breathing, because Goku has learned to fight without making unnecessary movements, that was part of Kami's training."
Tenshinhan is indeed stronger than Daimao Young.
I've ever proved that Tenshinhan (23rd Budokai) is stronger than Piccolo Daimao Young.
"Tenshinhan and weighted Goku are stated to be a match several times. Kame Sen'nin only brings up the difference in breathing, because Goku has learned to fight without making unnecessary movements, that was part of Kami's training."
Tenshinhan is indeed stronger than Daimao Young.
Re: The Official Unofficial Power Levels Thread
I did not use the scouter numbers for this as they seem very inconsistent with the implied gaps, especially during the Piccolo Daimao Saga.DanielSSJ wrote:Okay I have several questions. Why are your numbers already in the thousands by the King Piccolo arc? Why is almost everyone in the 23rd Budokai as strong as, if not stronger, than Raditz? Why is Kami stronger than Nappa? Goku's full power 10,000? What drugs are you on and were can I get some?ahill1 wrote:Spoiler:
Re: The Official Unofficial Power Levels Thread
Raditz arc
Vegeta arc
Namek arc
Ginyu arc part 1
Ginyu arc part 2
Freeza arc part 1
Freeza arc part 2
Trunks arc
Future arc
Android arc
Cell arc
Cell Games
Buu saga coming soon
~
Spoiler:
Vegeta arc
Spoiler:
Spoiler:
Spoiler:
Spoiler:
Spoiler:
Spoiler:
Trunks arc
Spoiler:
Future arc
Spoiler:
Spoiler:
Spoiler:
Cell Games
Spoiler:
~
Re: The Official Unofficial Power Levels Thread
Yeah the statements are differents; thousand times stronger is only a way to exaggerate, but I don't think Piccolo would lie saying he used less than half of his power.
Re: The Official Unofficial Power Levels Thread
I never saw the movies, dude. Excuse me.Noah wrote:Since Broly subject was brought back, could anyone share your thoughts about:
Noah wrote:What numbers would you guys give to:
Base Broly (M8 and M10)
SSGSS Supressed Super Saiyan Broly (M8)
Super Saiyan Broly (Movie 10)
Re: The Official Unofficial Power Levels Thread
How powerful is these characters in Garlic Jr. Saga ( filler ) ?
Kuririn
Son Gohan
Piccolo
Vegeta
I have
Kuririn 215,000
Son Gohan 1,000,000
Piccolo 3,240,000
Vegeta 4,740,000
Kuririn
Son Gohan
Piccolo
Vegeta
I have
Kuririn 215,000
Son Gohan 1,000,000
Piccolo 3,240,000
Vegeta 4,740,000
Re: The Official Unofficial Power Levels Thread
The main problem is that Piccolo Daimao (young) is not stronger than Tenshinhan (23rd Budokai). And have Goku/Tenshinhan (22nd budokai) above Yamcha (23rd Budokai) is laughable.Zombie wrote:This is a nice way to explain the problem some people have with the official numbers.dbgtFO wrote:Perhaps Piccolo considers his full power the highest ki he can gather(ie. a big ki blast), so by using Daizenshuu numbers for demonstration, we get this:SSJ2FutureGohan wrote:For me, the main problem is Daimao saying he used less than half of his power against Goku. I'd have to pretty much ignore that line or assume he was lying to have everything fit.
Goku: 180.
-Power-up: 260.
Demon King Piccolo: 200.
-Full Power: 220.
--Bakurikimaha: 440.
-Young: 240.
--Full Power: 260.
---Bakurikimaha: 520.
Thus Piccolo was not even using ½ his power in his first encounter against Goku.
Re: The Official Unofficial Power Levels Thread
Where do you have Piccolo?SSJ2FutureGohan wrote:Super Saiyan Vegeta (Cell games) - 24,000,000,000Darkron2151 wrote:How strong do you guys have:
Super Saiyan Goku (Cell Games) - 36,000,000,000
Super Saiyan Gohan (Cell Games) - 54,000,000,000
Super Saiyan Goten (Pre/Post ROSAT) - 36,000,000,000 -> 50,000,000,000
Super Saiyan Kid Trunks (Pre/Post ROSAT) - 37,500,000,000 -> 50,000,000,000
Super Saiyan Vegeta (Pre Majin) - 48,000,000,000
Super Saiyan Goku (Buu Arc) - 60,000,000,000
Re: The Official Unofficial Power Levels Thread
I can't take it; There is no indication that Tenshinhan was suppressed; would be silly AT show a fake power for Tenshinhan; If AT showed 250, is 250. Besides Tenshinhan was implied to be far weaker than Goku and Piccolo.RandomGuy96 wrote:If you have a problem with that, just assume Tenshinhan was wearing weighted clothes when he was read from far away at the beginning of Z, and that his power level is actually 290 or 300. As it stands, saying that he MUST be above Daimao based on him not being much weaker than weighted Goku (Goku was stronger, but Ten wasn't totally helpless and could win with superior speed), then just making him much weaker than weighted Goku anyway, is silly.ahill1 wrote: The main problem is that Piccolo Daimao (young) is not stronger than Tenshinhan (23rd Budokai).
BOZ Yamcha is stronger than 23rd Budokai Yamcha and only moderately superior to Roshi. Roshi had not been training since the 22nd Budokai. There's not a lot of room between "greater than 139" [22nd Budokai Goku] and "less than 177" [23rd Budokai Yamcha], so it's not a big deal if one of them happens to be a few points higher than the other.And have Goku/Tenshinhan (22nd budokai) above Yamcha (23rd Budokai) is laughable.
And Tenshinhan was not weaker than Goku( Weighted ) - It was not shown anywhere. I have the manga in hand and they fought evenly.
Here Tenshinhan says that Goku is much stronger than 3 years ago; and if Tenshinhan was even weaker than Goku in strength, it would be for a minimum difference. So Tenshinhan > Piccolo Daimao (young) is 100% right. Piccolo Daimao ( Young ) must be less than 250.Chapter: 177, P1.2-4, P2.1
Tenshinhan: “Son, you are truly incredible. 3 years ago, your strength was all but perfect. I’m amazed that you’ve managed to go so far above even that. However, there’s one thing that you haven’t changed that much from 3 years ago. And that’s something especially important in battle…speed!”
Yamcha and Kuririn are indeed stronger than Goku and Tenshinhan(22nd Budokai). Both Yamcha as Krillin could follow the movements of Goku (with weights) and Tenshinhan. Kuririn(23rd Budokai) >= Yamcha(23rd Budokai) >>>>> Goku(22nd Budokai) >= Tenshinhan(22nd Budokai).
Re: The Official Unofficial Power Levels Thread
I've said it to you; Tenshinhan and Goku ( Weighted ) are stated to be a match several times. Kame Sen'nin only brings up the difference in breathing since Goku learned to fight without making unnecessary movements. But in Power wise they are pretty equal.Zombie wrote:Master Roshi himself said they were not equal.
Re: The Official Unofficial Power Levels Thread
This occurs when you give more value to the numbers than what history shows. The numbers of Toriyama don't reflect what is shown in the tournament. Obviously Goku (Weighted) would have to be much closer to Tenshinhan. In addition, 23rd Budokai suggests that there is a huge difference between Goku (weighted) and Goku (w/o weights), but Toriyama numbers don't show it. If you want to give more value to numbers that the story feel free, but will you be factually wrong.
The Scouter numbers would have to have been pulled out of nowhere, since if you apply Dragonball logic you have Tenshinhan's 250 at much too high a disadvantage to Goku's weighted 330-ish level, even though at this stage, their physical aptitudes weren't shown to be that far apart, and though irrelevant to their actual powers in this case, Ten was much faster.
Not, their fight did not show Goku being stronger... Did you not read the fight? They were pretty evenly, maybe Goku had a slight advantage. Once again Muten Roshi only brings up the difference in breathing , the cause is that the Goku has learned to fight without making unnecessary movements. That was part of Kami's training, at no time Roshi said that there was a difference in strength. Don't jump to conclusions.
Means much Sir, this means that Yamcha and Krillin are less than 1.5 x weaker than Goku (Weighted)/Tenshinhan... There is a brutal difference in the examples you brought ... the audience being able to accompany the movements was neither something of note by Toriyama, while the fact that Yamcha and Krillin can accompany the movements was something of note, so much so that Chi Chi is surprised with the fact that the two can follow the movements of Goku and Tien Shinhan. You have to ask yourself what the author's intention in the cases: what the intention of Toriyama to show that the audience could follow the movements? Just to save his time and effort. But which intend to show that Krillin and Yamcha would accompany Goku and Tenshinhan? Demonstrate that these are not far weaker, since it was something worthy of note by Chi Chi.
I think it's better not to continue this discussion. You don't have basic reading skills.
The Scouter numbers would have to have been pulled out of nowhere, since if you apply Dragonball logic you have Tenshinhan's 250 at much too high a disadvantage to Goku's weighted 330-ish level, even though at this stage, their physical aptitudes weren't shown to be that far apart, and though irrelevant to their actual powers in this case, Ten was much faster.
Not, their fight did not show Goku being stronger... Did you not read the fight? They were pretty evenly, maybe Goku had a slight advantage. Once again Muten Roshi only brings up the difference in breathing , the cause is that the Goku has learned to fight without making unnecessary movements. That was part of Kami's training, at no time Roshi said that there was a difference in strength. Don't jump to conclusions.
Means much Sir, this means that Yamcha and Krillin are less than 1.5 x weaker than Goku (Weighted)/Tenshinhan... There is a brutal difference in the examples you brought ... the audience being able to accompany the movements was neither something of note by Toriyama, while the fact that Yamcha and Krillin can accompany the movements was something of note, so much so that Chi Chi is surprised with the fact that the two can follow the movements of Goku and Tien Shinhan. You have to ask yourself what the author's intention in the cases: what the intention of Toriyama to show that the audience could follow the movements? Just to save his time and effort. But which intend to show that Krillin and Yamcha would accompany Goku and Tenshinhan? Demonstrate that these are not far weaker, since it was something worthy of note by Chi Chi.
I think it's better not to continue this discussion. You don't have basic reading skills.
Re: The Official Unofficial Power Levels Thread
Once again, I'm not going to take it. Would be silly AT give us a fake number for Tenshinhan; If he gave 250, then Tenshinhan has 250. But it's still a bad number, as Goku and Tenshinhan showed strength on par on the 23rd Budokai. My problem is that Piccolo Daimao cannot be 260, since Tenshinhan is stronger than him.Those are the numbers given. I'm saying that, if you'd like them to fit, it's easy to just assume that Ten's 250 was a slightly suppressed level, which would then match with Goku's 334 number. Therefore, there is no problem with the official numbers that is not already a problem with the manga numbers. Therefore, your point that the guidebook number for Piccolo being "wrong" is bogus.
You ignored my arguments. Why Goku showed no effort? Because Goku had more power than he had shown. The power he used against Tenshinhan was only a small part of its maximum power. Unlike Tenshinhan, who was giving his maximum at that time. Why Tenshinhan was breathless and Goku didn't? Because Goku learn to fight without making unnecessary movements, it was part of the training of Kami. But in power wise, Tenshinhan and Goku were almost the same, as noted by Krillin.I read the fight. Goku dominated early on; he blocks all of Ten's blows without an expression that indicates effort, while Tenshinhan is baring his teeth and sweating, lands the only actual blow in the warm-up, and by the end of the warm-up Ten is huffing and puffing while Goku is fine. Sometimes he has a neutral look, while other times he's smiling and clearly taking Ten's strength lightly. This is particularly easy to see in their grapple. Your theory that Goku was only superior in skill doesn't actually match what is shown.
Kuririn: "This is incredible!! They're perfectly evenly matched!!"
Chi Chi: "You mean you two... can see them...?!
What ever comes into another point: the crowd being able to follow the movements was not something worthy of note by anyone: there was nobody who said: "it's amazing that you can follow this fight", while Yamcha and Krillin being able to follow the movements of Goku and Ten was something of note by Chi Chi. Which Toriyama's intention to show that Krillin and Yamcha were able to stay with Goku and Ten? It was the same show that the crowd could tell what was going on in the fight? Certainly not. If you can't understand a single scenario of a story, I'm just sorry.
Piccolo could not follow the movements of Freeza (final form), but he could tell what was going on in his fight with Goku. Are completely different things.
Re: The Official Unofficial Power Levels Thread
Piccolo meant that Cell would exceed the androids if he will absorb them. It makes little sense Cell (ginger town) be stronger that the Androids, since Kamiccolo could deal with Imperfect Cell without many difficulties.
Re: The Official Unofficial Power Levels Thread
If AT said Tenshinhan's pl 250, is because he has 250. That's my point. Now, it's an inconsistent number? Yes, why Tenshinhan showed strength on par with Goku (Weighted). Oh, but we can assume other things; We can assume that Goku (Weighted) evolved more than Tenshinhan. 23rd Budokai implies that there is a great distance between Goku (Weighted) and Goku (w/o weights), but by Toriyama there is only a distance of 1.2 x. Understand my point? Come on, man, it's not that hard.You're not even trying to make sense. "Toriyama's number is right despite not matching Ten's fight, while this other official number is wrong because it does not Ten's fight". Unless you're outright going to say that the manga's own numbers are wrong, dismissing other numbers for doing the exact same thing the manga does is ridiculous.
You call that an argument? lol. Again: do not make unnecessary movements was part of the training of Mr. Popo. KAME-Sen ' nin get up only concerned the difference in breath between Goku and Tien Shinhan. At no time Kame Sen ' nin compares its forces. Why Tenshinhan was breathless and Goku didn't? Oh, because part of the training of Goku was learn to fight without making unnecessary movements ... simple as that. Oh, and Krillin says that Goku and Tien Shinhan are completely even. Maybe Goku is slightly stronger than Tien Shinhan, but obviously is not by that much and the 3 eyes is stronger than Piccolo Daimao Young. So I say, the number 260 for the Piccolo is wrong.Actually, that's total BS. You can still get tired while fighting even if you're suppressed. Goku didn't- and showed no strain while overpowering Ten- because his suppressed strength was still above Ten's. Similarly, nothing is ever implied about him not being tired because he didn't make "unnecessary movements". We see the movements he makes, and there's frankly no reason he'd be less tired than Ten if their strengths were equal. Which they were quite plainly shown not to be.
You're missing the point mate. What's the point of showing the audience could follow the movements? Show that they're stronger than Frieza? Certainly not ... just save time and work by Toriyama. But what's the point to show that Yamcha and Krillin could see Goku and Tien Shinhan movements while no one in the audience could, even Chi Chi? Demonstrate that the two evolved to a point where they could pick up very fast movements for a level, for example, the Kame-Sen ' nin. The situations are not even remotely similar. Is very different to a scenario in which everyone could follow the movements of a fight, a scenario in which only a few could follow the movements, which was the case with Krillin and Yamcha, where there is even a character who says: "it's amazing that you can see these movements".Nobody needed to say it was amazing. Because we saw them follow the fight, and we saw them dodge one of Goten's ki blasts. Your point is extra nonsensical since Ten could easily see Goku and Piccolo's fight as well, when Goku's speed was explicitly the same as his weighted self at the Budokai. He even moved Goku out of the way of one of Piccolo's attacks.
But as I said before, it is better not to continue this discussion. You have a very distorted view of the manga.
Piccolo could not follow the movements of Frieza, but he could tell what was going on in the fight Frieza Vs Goku. So is an inconsistency? What's your point? Your arguments don't make minimal sense. You are trying to use an example from the 25th Budokai, where the spec could see what was going on in the fight, which is at least an inconsistency, to justify the fact that Krillin and Yamcha can see the movements of Goku and Tien Shinhan, which there's nothing inconsistent? lol ridiculous. Or are you trying to say that the 23rd Budokai is also an inconsistency? Even more ridiculous. What does show that Vegeta was the only one to be able to follow the movements of Frieza? Demonstrate that Vegeta was at a level well ahead than others. What does show that Yamcha and Krillin were the only ones to be able to follow the movements of Tenshinhan and Goku? Demonstrate that these were on a level well ahead than others. What is the meaning of showing everyone in the audience could see Goten and Trunks fighting? Demonstrate that all were stronger than Frieza? Ridiculous. Stop by here, it's a waste of time to argue with someone who doesn't make an ounce of sense in your arguments.Which is another inconsistency. If you can't follow someone's movements, you can't follow their fight. Kami makes this clear.
Re: The Official Unofficial Power Levels Thread
Please show me your numbers for:
Piccolo Daimao (Old)
Piccolo Daimao (Young)
Chi Chi (23rd Budokai)
Cyborg Tao Pai Pai
Yamcha (23rd Budokai)
Kuririn (23rd Budokai)
Tenshinhan (23rd Budokai)
Piccolo Daimao (Old)
Piccolo Daimao (Young)
Chi Chi (23rd Budokai)
Cyborg Tao Pai Pai
Yamcha (23rd Budokai)
Kuririn (23rd Budokai)
Tenshinhan (23rd Budokai)
Re: The Official Unofficial Power Levels Thread
Where do you guys have:
Freeza (100%)
Mecha Freeza (100%)
Goku SSJ (Namek)
Future Trunks SSJ (Trunks arc)
Goku SSJ (Trunks arc)
Piccolo (Androids arc pre kami)
Freeza (100%)
Mecha Freeza (100%)
Goku SSJ (Namek)
Future Trunks SSJ (Trunks arc)
Goku SSJ (Trunks arc)
Piccolo (Androids arc pre kami)
Re: The Official Unofficial Power Levels Thread
Why do you have Chi Chi so weak? And wow, Yamcha did massive gains in these 5 years, so did Kuririn. And I think the gap between Kuririn and Yamcha is too big; I think I have Yamcha at 96% of Kuririn.Blackstripe wrote:To the previous question here...
Piccolo Daimao (Old) - 105
Piccolo Daimao (Young) - 180
Chi Chi (23rd Budokai) - 25
Cyborg Tao Pai Pai - 100
Yamcha (23rd Budokai) - 85
Kuririn (23rd Budokai) - 115
Tenshinhan (23rd Budokai) - 195
Mind you, I do not use the Daiz.
I'd have:
Alternative 1
Freeza ( 100% ) 140,000,000
Goku SSJ ( Namek ) 150,000,000
Mecha Freeza ( 100% ) 160,000,000
Future Trunks SSJ ( Trunks arc ) 240,000,000
Goku SSJ ( Trunks arc ) 280,000,000
Piccolo ( Androids arc ) 400,000,000
Alternative 2
Freeza ( 100% ) 120,000,000
Mecha Freeza ( 100% ) 140,000,000
Goku SSJ ( Namek ) 150,000,000
Future Trunks SSJ ( Trunks arc ) 160,000,000
Goku SSJ ( Trunks arc ) 180,000,000
Piccolo ( Androids arc ) 190,000,000
Which looks better?
As for the base Saiyans ( buu saga ):
Alternative 1
Goku 1,200,000,000
Majin Vegeta 1,200,000,000
Vegeta 960,000,000
Gohan 828,000,000
Present Trunks 750,000,000
Goten 720,000,000
Alternative 2
Goku 90,000,000
Majin Vegeta 90,000,000
Vegeta 72,000,000
Gohan 64,000,000
Present Trunks 60,000,000
Goten 58,000,000
Re: The Official Unofficial Power Levels Thread
Battle with Freeza part 1
Kuririn 260,000 and rising
Son Gohan 310,000 and rising
Piccolo ( Weighted ) 270,000
~ (W/o Weights) 340,000
Vegeta 500,000
Freeza ( 1st Form ) 530,000
Battle with Freeza part 2
Son Gohan ( Enranged ) 1,000,000
Freeza ( 2nd Form Initial ) 1,060,000
~ (Powered Up) 1,280,000
~ (Full Power) 1,590,000
Piccolo ( Fused W/Nail Weighted ) 1,320,000
~ (W/o Weights) 1,672,000
Son Gohan ( Zenkai ) 1,000,000
~ (Enranged) 2,200,000
~ (Masenko) 2,450,000
Freeza ( 3rd Form ) 2,500,000
Vegeta ( Zenkai ) 4,200,000
Freeza ( Final Form Initial ) 4,200,000
~ (Embarassing Vegeta) 6,400,000
~ (Fighting Goku) 7,400,000
~ (No Hands) 10,000,000
~ (50%) 212,500,000
~ (70%) 297,500,000
~ (100%) 425,000,000
Son Goku 7,000,000
~ (Warm Up Over) 9,000,000
~ (Kaioken x10) 90,000,000
~ (Kaioken x20) 180,000,000
~ (Super Saiyajin) 450,000,000
Piccolo could not see the Freeza's 3rd Form's movements, so Freeza should be at least 1.5x stronger than Piccolo. Freeza ( Vs Goku ) is stronger than Freeza ( Vs Vegeta ), since the same Freeza who fought with Vegeta couldn't even slap Goku. Freeza ( No Hands ) > Goku ( Warm-up Over, Full Power base ) > Freeza ( Vs Goku ) > Goku ( Suppressed ) > Freeza ( Vs Vegeta ) > > > Freeza ( Vs Piccolo and Co. ) ~ Vegeta ( Zenkai ) > > > Freeza ( 3rd Form ) > > > Piccolo is the most likely. So Goku base should have at least 9,000,000 IMO.
Kuririn 260,000 and rising
Son Gohan 310,000 and rising
Piccolo ( Weighted ) 270,000
~ (W/o Weights) 340,000
Vegeta 500,000
Freeza ( 1st Form ) 530,000
Battle with Freeza part 2
Son Gohan ( Enranged ) 1,000,000
Freeza ( 2nd Form Initial ) 1,060,000
~ (Powered Up) 1,280,000
~ (Full Power) 1,590,000
Piccolo ( Fused W/Nail Weighted ) 1,320,000
~ (W/o Weights) 1,672,000
Son Gohan ( Zenkai ) 1,000,000
~ (Enranged) 2,200,000
~ (Masenko) 2,450,000
Freeza ( 3rd Form ) 2,500,000
Vegeta ( Zenkai ) 4,200,000
Freeza ( Final Form Initial ) 4,200,000
~ (Embarassing Vegeta) 6,400,000
~ (Fighting Goku) 7,400,000
~ (No Hands) 10,000,000
~ (50%) 212,500,000
~ (70%) 297,500,000
~ (100%) 425,000,000
Son Goku 7,000,000
~ (Warm Up Over) 9,000,000
~ (Kaioken x10) 90,000,000
~ (Kaioken x20) 180,000,000
~ (Super Saiyajin) 450,000,000
Piccolo could not see the Freeza's 3rd Form's movements, so Freeza should be at least 1.5x stronger than Piccolo. Freeza ( Vs Goku ) is stronger than Freeza ( Vs Vegeta ), since the same Freeza who fought with Vegeta couldn't even slap Goku. Freeza ( No Hands ) > Goku ( Warm-up Over, Full Power base ) > Freeza ( Vs Goku ) > Goku ( Suppressed ) > Freeza ( Vs Vegeta ) > > > Freeza ( Vs Piccolo and Co. ) ~ Vegeta ( Zenkai ) > > > Freeza ( 3rd Form ) > > > Piccolo is the most likely. So Goku base should have at least 9,000,000 IMO.