Kaboom, only a question : Why do you have Teen Gohan stronger than Vegeta ( pre power unlocked ) ?Kaboom wrote:Let's see here...DanielSSJ wrote:Let's compare the Boo Arc Super Saiyans, in equal forms. If Cell Games Gohan was a 10, how strong would theses guys be?
Teen Gohan: 9.5 (I don't think anything but his SS2 power dropped all that much)
Goten & Trunks: 4 & 4.5 (About half as strong as him, remarkably powerful for their age)
-- Post-RosaT: 5.5 & 6 (Most of the change seems limited to Gotenks himself)
Vegeta: 9/9.5 (More or less caught up to Gohan)
-- Power unlocked: 12 (More powerful than kid Gohan and equal to Goku, thanks to Bobbidi)
Goku: 12 (Noticeably more powerful than Gohan was, a new high that Vegeta became desperate to match)
Gotenks: 20 (A lot more powerful than the others, but still below Goku or Vegeta as SS2s and not quite able to beat Boo yet)
-- Post-RoSaT: 40 (Now things are a lot different, even without SS2 and SS3 on top of it)
Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread
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@Kaboom. Why do you have Gohan SSJ ( boo saga ) stronger than Vegeta SSJ ( pre majin ) ?
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This only corroborate my theory that Goku was supressed initially against #19... and then increased his power instantly.SSJ2FutureGohan wrote:But if he is fighting at full power while not actually being at full power, that can only mean he's fighting at full capacity in his current state. What else could full power mean? Herms even elaborates:DBZGTKOSDH wrote:That's what I believe. He is sick, so it's not just his battle power that has fallen, everything (strength, speed, etc) has fallen. Which is why he is sloppy.
Chapter: 341 (DBZ 147), P8.4-5, P9.
Piccolo: “Have you noticed too, Gohan?...”
Gohan: “Y-yes…”
Piccolo: “Son Goku is rushing the match for some reason…He’s already putting out close to his full power…But even so, what’s with that miserable condition of his?...”
Tenshinhan: “Th-that miserable condition…!? What are you talking about? Goku’s overwhelmingly pushing him back…!”
Piccolo: “It’s not that. As a Super Saiyan, Goku’s power should be more stupendous than this…”
Note: Several people thought this quote was contradictory, due to how Piccolo says Goku is using almost his full power but should have much better power than that. To me though it seems pretty straightforward: Goku is using almost all the power he has in his current sick condition, but Piccolo realizes Goku's full power should be much more than that.
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Of course it does... this proves the Saiyans could supress their powers before the Rosat.SSJ2FutureGohan wrote:No, it doesn't.
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Yes it does... Piccolo was surprised that Goku is already fighting near full power, that is, he expected Goku to not be near Full Power ( Supressed).SSJ2FutureGohan wrote:No it doesn't. Piccolo says Goku is putting out close to his full power, but his Ki should be far more stupendous. That has nothing to do with voluntarily suppressing Super Saiyan.ahill1 wrote:Of course it does... this proves the Saiyans could supress their powers before the Rosat.SSJ2FutureGohan wrote:No, it doesn't.
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How this puts Chi Chi on par with tailed Goku?DBZAOTA482 wrote:I noticed both Yamcha and Chi-Chi were stronger than Krillin in their debuts. They were on par with tailed Goku... not as strong but were within his ballpark while Krillin was outclassed by tailless Goku. Chi-Chi casually outran a T-rex (of which top speed is 18-25 mph) then cut it's head off while Krillin was sweaty and tired from running 100 meters in 10.1/10.4 seconds. Yamcha was also trading blows with Goku only running away due to his looks being ruined and Chi-Chi spared evenly with Goku in a filler scene while Krillin was quickly overwhelmed by him in a brief scrap. Chi-Chi also nearly zapped Yamcha with her laser beam despite clearly telegraphing it at him a few seconds after being chased by a T-rex and survived a serious blow from him at the back of her head (which is a OHKO or possibly worse even on equal levels).
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Seems fine Fat Boo being 2x Gohan SSJ2, but Good Boo must be stronger than Majin Vegeta/Goku SSJ2 and Good Boo is <50% than Fat Boo. Therefore Fat Boo being only 2x Teen Gohan SSJ2 is a impossibility.apex_pretador wrote:but before goku & majin vegeta fight. So, doesn't it mean that :Hugo Boss wrote:Actually, it was when Goku and Yakon were about to fight.apex_pretador wrote:Babidi said that "if buu is awakened NOW , he will only awake at half HIS power." when gohan attacked his ship , just before majin vegeta & goku start fighting.
- 2x adult gohan = fat majin buu
I have a theory that only Initial Fat Boo ( without power up ) is ~2x Teen Gohan SSJ2. Teen Gohan SSJ2 is ~45% of Fat Boo ( initial ). It fits pretty well with Gohan thinking that with his real power ( SSJ2 IMO ), he could manage something against Fat Boo ( initial ).
Teen Gohan 600
--- SSJ 30,000
--- SSJ2/real power 60,000 ( 45% of initial Fat Boo/ could manage something against his initial power )
Vegeta 675
--- SSJ 33,750
--- SSJ2 67,500
Majin Vegeta 800
--- SSJ 40,000
--- SSJ2 80,000
Son Goku 800
--- SSJ 40,000
--- SSJ2 80,000
--- SSJ3 320,000
Fat Boo ( initial ) 66,000 ( roughly 2x stronger than Gohan SSJ2 )
--- Powered up 90,000 ( stronger than Majin Vegeta and Goku SSJ2 )
--- Full Power 270,000 ( weaker than Goku SSJ3 by a noticeable amount )
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Wait, wait, wait... I did Fat Boo ( initial ) roughly 2x stronger than Gohan SSJ, while it should be Gohan SSJ2 lol. This would only work if Gohan was only a SSJ in the tournament, but he was a SSJ2.
I think the story would make much more sense if Gohan was only a SSJ in the tournament.
I think the story would make much more sense if Gohan was only a SSJ in the tournament.
Well Good Boo gave more fight to Kid Boo than SSJ2 Vegeta did. Unless Vegeta lost his Majin power.Kaboom wrote:Why?ahill1 wrote:Seems fine Fat Boo being 2x Gohan SSJ2, but Good Boo must be stronger than Majin Vegeta/Goku SSJ2 and Good Boo is <50% than Fat Boo.
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Mister Boo was found inside the stomach of Super Boo, then he is probably the Boo who lost to the grey's one.Kaboom wrote:We don't really know for sure how strong Mister Boo was supposed to be in that final battle. He very well could have regained his former power somehow through all the absorption shenanigans.ahill1 wrote:Well Good Boo gave more fight to Kid Boo than SSJ2 Vegeta did. Unless Vegeta lost his Majin power.
But even if he didn't get that power back, he doesn't have to be stronger than Vegeta. His haxed regeneration and stamina could be to thank for him lasting so much longer. Even if their strength is similar, Boo's going to be able to instantly recover from attacks that would outright cripple Vegeta immediately.
Vegeta pretty much stated that if it's boo against Boo, he can take damage. So his infinite stamina was not the issue here.Chapter: 514 (DBZ 320), P5.3
Context: as pure Boo beats up on good Boo some more
Vegeta: “…This is bad…Have you noticed, Kakarot?...The fatso’s power is falling…If it’s Boo against Boo, then he can take damage…”
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@Kaboom
Got it. I really like Fat Boo being roughly 2x stronger than Teen Gohan SSJ2, But I was not sure what to do about the Good Boo thing. But do you think the fight between Goku SSJ3 and Fat Boo suggested a >2x gap ? If so, why Piccolo had to ask if Goku really could defeat Fat Boo with SSJ3 ?
Got it. I really like Fat Boo being roughly 2x stronger than Teen Gohan SSJ2, But I was not sure what to do about the Good Boo thing. But do you think the fight between Goku SSJ3 and Fat Boo suggested a >2x gap ? If so, why Piccolo had to ask if Goku really could defeat Fat Boo with SSJ3 ?
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@Kaboom do you mind show me your power levels for :
Goku Super Saiyan ( Cell Games )
Gohan Super Saiyan ( Cell Games )
--- Super Saiyan 2/Enranged ( if you believe in one )
Super Perfect Cell
Gohan Super Saiyan ( Boo saga )
--- Super Saiyan 2
--- True power ( according to Goku )
Dabra
Vegeta ( Pre Majin ) Super Saiyan
--- Super Saiyan 2
Please.
Goku Super Saiyan ( Cell Games )
Gohan Super Saiyan ( Cell Games )
--- Super Saiyan 2/Enranged ( if you believe in one )
Super Perfect Cell
Gohan Super Saiyan ( Boo saga )
--- Super Saiyan 2
--- True power ( according to Goku )
Dabra
Vegeta ( Pre Majin ) Super Saiyan
--- Super Saiyan 2
Please.
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@Kaboom; I really like your theory of why the Future Androids are weaker than the present ones. But why do you have the Future Androids at 300-350 million when Future Trunks defeated them, but have the at 260-280 million when they defeated Trunks for the last time? By your logic they should be weaker, no?
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apex_pretador wrote:List seems fine, just a few issues :Draconic wrote:Well, seems I've made a power level list after all these years. It is the first time I try to do something like this, so there might be some mistakes. What do you think?
DRAGON BALLSpoiler:
I think you have goku (post) & roshi 21st , a bit too high. Also,how is roshi's power even remotely comparable to raditz?
No increase in goku's strength from 21st TB to RRA fight? Krillin said he became stronger.
No increase for goku from karin to 22nd TB?
Yajirobe was said to be stronger than Tenshinhan.
Tenshinhan was faster and stronger than 3 year ago goku , who beat daimao.
No increase till BoZ ?
Nope. Goku only said he never met anybody as tough as Yajirobe before.
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It indicates Yajirobe is tougher, more resilient than Tenshinhan if at all, not stronger.apex_pretador wrote:So, it indicates yajirobe > Tenshinhan. Goku has fought Tenshinhan before.ahill1 wrote:
Nope. Goku only said he never met anybody as tough as Yajirobe before.
i don't see how videl is weaker than 10. A normal human is 5. She has surpassed her father by a good deal, who himself is well above the most top "regular" fighters in the world.DBZAOTA482 wrote: 13. Videl should still be stronger than Spopovich. She had the upper hand against him initially and did great damage to him only started losing because her stamina capped out on her dealing with his superhuman vitality side-effect. Also, Videl shouldn't be at 10... I don't her casually outrunning and throwing a blade with enough force to decapitate a T-rex.
But goku completely utterly humiliated-overkilled fatty janemba. I think super janemba being above kid buu is likely, but not the fat-giant one.dbgtFO wrote: Well the movie just takes place some time after an alternate ending to the Buu Arc and Goku is supposed to have trained since then, so Goku could be stronger, than he was against Kid Buu, explaining Janemba's sub-par performance, even if he's as strong as Kid Buu.
The movie villains represent canon villains:
fat buu ~ fat janemba
Kid buu ~ super janemba
Super buu ~ hirdugarn
Buuhan ~ super hirdugarn
with movie villains being a bit stronger IMO.
Anyways, anything is possible in movieverse. Movieverse goku can be as strong as he wants to, or toie wants to.
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Dragon Ball battle powers
Son Goku Saga
Son Goku - 10
Bulma - 4
Bear Bandit - 6.4
Muten Roshi - 29.6
Oolong - 2
Puar - 1
Yamcha - 9
Son Goku (Hungry) - 8.8
Yamcha (Rogafufuken) - 10.5
Gyu Mao - 19
Chi Chi - 6.6
Dinosaur - 6.3
Muten Roshi (Maximum power) - 44.4
Rabbit Goons - 5
Carrotizer Rabbit - 5.7
Pilaf - 1
Shu - 3
Mai - 4
Son Goku (W/o tail) - 9
Kuririn - 7
Lunch (Good) - 3.5
Lunch (Bad) - 5.7
21st Budokai
Tall Orinji Temple Senior - 9
Fat Orinji Temple Senior - 8.8
Fighter #69 - 5.8
Yamcha - 12
Black Boxer - 5.4
Bruce Lee - 6
Bacterian - 11.2
Muten Roshi (initial/ vs Yamcha) - 18
Yamcha (Rogafufuken) - 14
Ranfan - 18.8
Giran - 18
Son Goku (W/o tail) - 22
Muten Roshi (Powered up/vs Kuririn) - 22
Kuririn (Initial) - 16.8
Kuririn (Full power) - 20
Muten Roshi (Finishing Kuririn) - 25
Namu - 29
Son Goku (With tail) - 30
Muten Roshi (Full power/vs Goku) - 29.6
Son Goku (Tired) - 6
Oozaru Goku - 60
Muten Roshi (Maximum power) - 45
Muten Roshi Full Power Kamehameha - 70
Muten Roshi (Tired) - 5.85
Red Ribbon Army Saga
Son Goku (Holding back) - 26
General Silver - 10
Suno - 1.5
Sergeant Metallic - 25
Son Goku (Full power) - 30
Murasaki - 18.8
General White - 7
Son Goku (Tired and hungry) - 20
Buyon - 24
Son Goku (Post Buyon battle) - 10
Android #8 (Full power) - 35
Bruce Lee Impersonator - 6
Bulma - 4
Kuririn - 20
Muten Roshi - 29.6
Lunch (Good) - 3.5
Lunch (Bad) - 5.7
Pirate Robot - 25
Giant Octopus - 23
General Blue - 27
Son Goku (vs Blue) - 33.75
Bora - 13
Upa - 2
Captain Yellow - 6
Tao Pai Pai - 60
Karin - 90
Son Goku (Post Karin) - 80
Tao Pai Pai (Full power) - 71
Tao Pai Pai (Dodonpa) - 79
Colonel Violet - 5.8
Commander Red - 5
Staff Officer Black - 35
Commander Black (Battle Jacket) - 72
Uranai Baba Saga
Uranai Baba - 1
Kuririn - 20
Dracula Man - 10
Upa - 2
Puar - 1
Invisible Man - 11
Yamcha - 12
Yamcha (Rogafufuken) - 14
Muten Roshi - 29.6
Bulma - 4
Mummy-kun - 33.75
Son Goku (Initial) 50
Akkuman - 50
Son Goku (Vs Akkuman) - 58
Son Goku (Finishing Akkuman/Full power) - 80
Son Gohan - 77
Son Gohan Kamehameha - 92.4
Son Goku Kamehameha - 96
Pilaf Machine - 29
Shu Machine - 24
Mai Machine - 25
Fused Pilaf Machine - 70
22nd Tenkaichi Budokai
King Chappa - 90
Son Goku (Initial/vs King Chappa) - 108
Yamcha - 106
Tenshinhan (Initial) - 106
Yamcha Rogafufuken - 140
Tenshinhan (Powered up/vs Yamcha's Rogafufuken) - 145
Yamcha Kamehameha - 159
Tenshinhan (Powered up 2/vs Yamcha's Kamehameha) - 166
Muten Roshi - 154
Man Wolf - 22
Kuririn - 108
Chaozu - 102
Chaozu (Dodonpa) - 114
Panput - 33
Muten Roshi (Serious/vs Tenshinhan) - 180
Tenshinhan (Powered up/vs Muten Roshi) - 180
Muten Roshi (Unseen full power) - 210
Tsuru - 166
Kuririn - 108
Son Goku (Initial) - 108
Son Goku (Little more serious) - 160
Son Goku (Full Tournament Level) - 220
Tenshinhan Full Power (Roshi's estimation) - 220
Tenshinhan (vs Goku's Full Tournament Level) - 248
Son Goku (Full power) - 275
Tenshinhan (Full power) - 270
Tenshinhan (Kikoho) - 540
Flashback-Mutaito vs Daimao
Mutaito - 264
Roshi (Young) - 240
Tsuru (Young) - 240
Piccolo Daimao Saga
Son Goku (Tired) - 125
Tambourine - 220
Son Goku (Fully healed) 275
Son Goku (vs Yajirobe/Match Level) - 160
Yajirobe (Warming up) - 150
Cymbal - 150
Yajirobe (Full power) - 250
Piano - 68
Giran - 18
Tambourine - 220
Son Goku (Full power) - 275
Piccolo Daimao (Initial) - 264
Piccolo Daimao (40%) - 600
Son Goku Kamehameha - 396
Piccolo Daimao (Unseen full power) 1,500
Son Goku (Fully healed) - 280
Yajirobe (Post Karin tower climb) - 266
Tenshinhan - 270
Muten Roshi - 210
Chaozu - 102
Karin (Post Hax) - 270
Prime Piccolo Daimao - 3,000
King's Guard - 300
Yajirobe (Choshinsui) - 270
Drum - 385
Son Goku (Choshinsui) - 3,500
Prime Piccolo Daimao (Full power) - 5,400
Son Goku (Full power) - 5,550
Son Goku (Kamehameha) - 8,325
Prime Piccolo Daimao (Bakurikimaha) - 10,400
Prime Piccolo Daimao (Worn out) - 900
Son Goku (Tired) - 920
Son Goku (Injured) - 600
Son Goku (Penetrate) - 1,150
Yajirobe (2nd Karin tower climb) - 280
Piccolo Junior - 5,400
Mr. Popo - 15,000
Kami-sama - 32,000
23rd Tenkaichi Budokai
Piccolo - 6,750
Son Goku - 5,680
King Chappa - 135
Chaozu - 1,100
Yajirobe - 1,050
Cyborg Tao Pai Pai - 3,175
Tsuru Sennin - 166
Muten Roshi - 210
Cyborg Tao Pai Pai (Super Dodonpa) - 6,300
Chi Chi - 3,300
Kuririn - 5,700
Kuririn (Kamehameha) - 8,550
Piccolo (Powered up) - 8,800
Yamcha - 5,560
Yamcha (Sokidan) - 8,550
Kami (Shen's body) - 9,700
Tenshinhan (Full power) 10,000
Son Goku (Weighted) - 10,250
Tenshinhan (Full speed) - 10,800
Son Goku (no weights) - 15,000
Kami (Shen's body, full power) - 29,000
Piccolo (Further powered up) - 32,000
Son Goku (Full power) - 72,150
Piccolo (Full power) - 72,000
Son Goku (Super Kamehameha) 144,300
Piccolo (Bakurikimaha) - 156,000
Kami -32,000
Son Goku Saga
Son Goku - 10
Bulma - 4
Bear Bandit - 6.4
Muten Roshi - 29.6
Oolong - 2
Puar - 1
Yamcha - 9
Son Goku (Hungry) - 8.8
Yamcha (Rogafufuken) - 10.5
Gyu Mao - 19
Chi Chi - 6.6
Dinosaur - 6.3
Muten Roshi (Maximum power) - 44.4
Rabbit Goons - 5
Carrotizer Rabbit - 5.7
Pilaf - 1
Shu - 3
Mai - 4
Son Goku (W/o tail) - 9
Kuririn - 7
Lunch (Good) - 3.5
Lunch (Bad) - 5.7
21st Budokai
Tall Orinji Temple Senior - 9
Fat Orinji Temple Senior - 8.8
Fighter #69 - 5.8
Yamcha - 12
Black Boxer - 5.4
Bruce Lee - 6
Bacterian - 11.2
Muten Roshi (initial/ vs Yamcha) - 18
Yamcha (Rogafufuken) - 14
Ranfan - 18.8
Giran - 18
Son Goku (W/o tail) - 22
Muten Roshi (Powered up/vs Kuririn) - 22
Kuririn (Initial) - 16.8
Kuririn (Full power) - 20
Muten Roshi (Finishing Kuririn) - 25
Namu - 29
Son Goku (With tail) - 30
Muten Roshi (Full power/vs Goku) - 29.6
Son Goku (Tired) - 6
Oozaru Goku - 60
Muten Roshi (Maximum power) - 45
Muten Roshi Full Power Kamehameha - 70
Muten Roshi (Tired) - 5.85
Red Ribbon Army Saga
Son Goku (Holding back) - 26
General Silver - 10
Suno - 1.5
Sergeant Metallic - 25
Son Goku (Full power) - 30
Murasaki - 18.8
General White - 7
Son Goku (Tired and hungry) - 20
Buyon - 24
Son Goku (Post Buyon battle) - 10
Android #8 (Full power) - 35
Bruce Lee Impersonator - 6
Bulma - 4
Kuririn - 20
Muten Roshi - 29.6
Lunch (Good) - 3.5
Lunch (Bad) - 5.7
Pirate Robot - 25
Giant Octopus - 23
General Blue - 27
Son Goku (vs Blue) - 33.75
Bora - 13
Upa - 2
Captain Yellow - 6
Tao Pai Pai - 60
Karin - 90
Son Goku (Post Karin) - 80
Tao Pai Pai (Full power) - 71
Tao Pai Pai (Dodonpa) - 79
Colonel Violet - 5.8
Commander Red - 5
Staff Officer Black - 35
Commander Black (Battle Jacket) - 72
Uranai Baba Saga
Uranai Baba - 1
Kuririn - 20
Dracula Man - 10
Upa - 2
Puar - 1
Invisible Man - 11
Yamcha - 12
Yamcha (Rogafufuken) - 14
Muten Roshi - 29.6
Bulma - 4
Mummy-kun - 33.75
Son Goku (Initial) 50
Akkuman - 50
Son Goku (Vs Akkuman) - 58
Son Goku (Finishing Akkuman/Full power) - 80
Son Gohan - 77
Son Gohan Kamehameha - 92.4
Son Goku Kamehameha - 96
Pilaf Machine - 29
Shu Machine - 24
Mai Machine - 25
Fused Pilaf Machine - 70
22nd Tenkaichi Budokai
King Chappa - 90
Son Goku (Initial/vs King Chappa) - 108
Yamcha - 106
Tenshinhan (Initial) - 106
Yamcha Rogafufuken - 140
Tenshinhan (Powered up/vs Yamcha's Rogafufuken) - 145
Yamcha Kamehameha - 159
Tenshinhan (Powered up 2/vs Yamcha's Kamehameha) - 166
Muten Roshi - 154
Man Wolf - 22
Kuririn - 108
Chaozu - 102
Chaozu (Dodonpa) - 114
Panput - 33
Muten Roshi (Serious/vs Tenshinhan) - 180
Tenshinhan (Powered up/vs Muten Roshi) - 180
Muten Roshi (Unseen full power) - 210
Tsuru - 166
Kuririn - 108
Son Goku (Initial) - 108
Son Goku (Little more serious) - 160
Son Goku (Full Tournament Level) - 220
Tenshinhan Full Power (Roshi's estimation) - 220
Tenshinhan (vs Goku's Full Tournament Level) - 248
Son Goku (Full power) - 275
Tenshinhan (Full power) - 270
Tenshinhan (Kikoho) - 540
Flashback-Mutaito vs Daimao
Mutaito - 264
Roshi (Young) - 240
Tsuru (Young) - 240
Piccolo Daimao Saga
Son Goku (Tired) - 125
Tambourine - 220
Son Goku (Fully healed) 275
Son Goku (vs Yajirobe/Match Level) - 160
Yajirobe (Warming up) - 150
Cymbal - 150
Yajirobe (Full power) - 250
Piano - 68
Giran - 18
Tambourine - 220
Son Goku (Full power) - 275
Piccolo Daimao (Initial) - 264
Piccolo Daimao (40%) - 600
Son Goku Kamehameha - 396
Piccolo Daimao (Unseen full power) 1,500
Son Goku (Fully healed) - 280
Yajirobe (Post Karin tower climb) - 266
Tenshinhan - 270
Muten Roshi - 210
Chaozu - 102
Karin (Post Hax) - 270
Prime Piccolo Daimao - 3,000
King's Guard - 300
Yajirobe (Choshinsui) - 270
Drum - 385
Son Goku (Choshinsui) - 3,500
Prime Piccolo Daimao (Full power) - 5,400
Son Goku (Full power) - 5,550
Son Goku (Kamehameha) - 8,325
Prime Piccolo Daimao (Bakurikimaha) - 10,400
Prime Piccolo Daimao (Worn out) - 900
Son Goku (Tired) - 920
Son Goku (Injured) - 600
Son Goku (Penetrate) - 1,150
Yajirobe (2nd Karin tower climb) - 280
Piccolo Junior - 5,400
Mr. Popo - 15,000
Kami-sama - 32,000
23rd Tenkaichi Budokai
Piccolo - 6,750
Son Goku - 5,680
King Chappa - 135
Chaozu - 1,100
Yajirobe - 1,050
Cyborg Tao Pai Pai - 3,175
Tsuru Sennin - 166
Muten Roshi - 210
Cyborg Tao Pai Pai (Super Dodonpa) - 6,300
Chi Chi - 3,300
Kuririn - 5,700
Kuririn (Kamehameha) - 8,550
Piccolo (Powered up) - 8,800
Yamcha - 5,560
Yamcha (Sokidan) - 8,550
Kami (Shen's body) - 9,700
Tenshinhan (Full power) 10,000
Son Goku (Weighted) - 10,250
Tenshinhan (Full speed) - 10,800
Son Goku (no weights) - 15,000
Kami (Shen's body, full power) - 29,000
Piccolo (Further powered up) - 32,000
Son Goku (Full power) - 72,150
Piccolo (Full power) - 72,000
Son Goku (Super Kamehameha) 144,300
Piccolo (Bakurikimaha) - 156,000
Kami -32,000
Re: The Official Unofficial Power Levels Thread
Lord Beerus wrote:Um... what?ahill1 wrote:Dragon Ball battle powersSpoiler:
Those Battle Power's are all kinds of improper. And goes against the story of the manga in every conceivable way. Unless in you're mind the story ended at the 23rd Tenkaichi Budokai and Dragon Ball Z takes place in an alternate universe. But even then, these Battle Power's still make no sense at all.
Like DanielSSJ said, this is a non-scouter list, as they seem very inconsistent with the implied gaps. This method has been popularised on many forums since the inconsistencies created with the numbers given in Raditz's arrival.
They're just impossible if you use the statements. Less than half old Piccolo Daimao tanks Goku's Kamehameha and young Piccolo Daimao is so stronger than his old self that there's no comparison between their powers.
Re: The Official Unofficial Power Levels Thread
2,000,000 is the absolutely minimum for 3rd Form Freeza I'd say. My Freeza saga power levels:
Kuririn - 300,000
Vegeta (after resting, full power burst) - 500,000
Freeza (full power, infuriated) - 530,000
- (transformed) - 1,060,000
- (powered up further) - 1,200,000
- (full strength) - 1,400,000
- (transformed again) - 2,000,000
- (initial true form) - 3,100,000
- (embarassing Vegeta) - 4,400,000
- (50%) - 100,000,000
Son Gohan - 400,000
- (enranged) - 1,000,000
- (full power assault) - 1,100,000
- (healed) - 1,000,000
- (aggravated) - 1,700,000
- (Full-power Massive Masenko) - 1,920,000
Piccolo (assimilation, weighted) - 1,250,000
- (unweighted) - 1,500,000
Vegeta (massive auto-evolution) - 3,000,000
Son Goku (healed) - 4,300,000
- (Kaio-ken x 10) - 43,000,000
- (Kaio-ken x 20) - 86,000,000
- (Kamehameha) - 96,000,000
- (chi dropping after burst) - 1,500,000
- (Genki Dama) - 120,000,000
SSJ Son Goku - 215,000,000
- (Kamehameha) - 534,000,000
Freeza (after Genki Dama) - 77,000,000
- (70% chi burst) - 140,000,000
- (100%) - 200,000,000
- (Force Field) - 537,500,000
- (worn down) - 175,000,000
- (sliced in half) - 1,000
- (Goku's energy donated) - 33,000,000
- (desperation blast) - 66,000,000
- (reduced to residue) - 500
Kuririn - 300,000
Vegeta (after resting, full power burst) - 500,000
Freeza (full power, infuriated) - 530,000
- (transformed) - 1,060,000
- (powered up further) - 1,200,000
- (full strength) - 1,400,000
- (transformed again) - 2,000,000
- (initial true form) - 3,100,000
- (embarassing Vegeta) - 4,400,000
- (50%) - 100,000,000
Son Gohan - 400,000
- (enranged) - 1,000,000
- (full power assault) - 1,100,000
- (healed) - 1,000,000
- (aggravated) - 1,700,000
- (Full-power Massive Masenko) - 1,920,000
Piccolo (assimilation, weighted) - 1,250,000
- (unweighted) - 1,500,000
Vegeta (massive auto-evolution) - 3,000,000
Son Goku (healed) - 4,300,000
- (Kaio-ken x 10) - 43,000,000
- (Kaio-ken x 20) - 86,000,000
- (Kamehameha) - 96,000,000
- (chi dropping after burst) - 1,500,000
- (Genki Dama) - 120,000,000
SSJ Son Goku - 215,000,000
- (Kamehameha) - 534,000,000
Freeza (after Genki Dama) - 77,000,000
- (70% chi burst) - 140,000,000
- (100%) - 200,000,000
- (Force Field) - 537,500,000
- (worn down) - 175,000,000
- (sliced in half) - 1,000
- (Goku's energy donated) - 33,000,000
- (desperation blast) - 66,000,000
- (reduced to residue) - 500
Re: The Official Unofficial Power Levels Thread
Zombie wrote:Not necessarily.
Spoiler:
Well this is going with the notion that Freeza meant his full power to be over a million, which I respectfully disagree with.
Re: The Official Unofficial Power Levels Thread
But Kibito is way weaker than base Gohan. Only the guidebook states otherwise and we know that's not true.SSJ3 Vegeta wrote:I don't think lifting strength have anything to do with power.Just after pulling the Z Sword,Base Gohan was able to carry it,yet Kibito on the other hand who isn't that much weaker than him can't even move the damn thing.DanielSSJ wrote:Judging from how Super Saiyan Gohan, who is weaker than Goku, could pull out the Z Sword when Kaioshin and the other gods of the past couldn't suggests that the Super Saiyans are above him.SSJ3 Vegeta wrote:- Does't mean Kaioshin is weaker.It just means that Goku won't hesitate killing him.A mere 11% gap disadvantage is enough for Goku to kill Kaioshin especially if Kaioshin won't attack back at him.
Re: The Official Unofficial Power Levels Thread
SSJ3 Vegeta wrote:Guidebooks are still official,and that statement doesn't contradict anything in the manga.Gohan wasn't sure he can beat Kibito in base,though this line is pretty confusing.ahill1 wrote:But Kibito is way weaker than base Gohan. Only the guidebook states otherwise and we know that's not true.Spoiler:- Aside from this line,i don't see any indication that Vegeta is far stronger than surpressed Perfect Cell.And it's not like Vegeta know that Cell was only surpressing his power at that time.Zombie wrote:Well Vegeta was very confident he would beat Cell. I think the gap should be significant.SSJ3 Vegeta wrote: - Why would i ?
- Eh ? I don't buy this.Gohan is still above Piccolo even in base.Skills and experience > a little power gap.
Eh? I never said Gohan wasn't stronger than Piccolo. Goku never picked Gohan because he knows he doesn't like fighting but once he says he would like to participate then Goku drops Piccolo for him. Vegeta made it very clear that they were choosing by power. Skills and experience were never even mentioned.- I still won't make up my mind for it.Spoiler:
Are you serious? when Gohan cannot even sense Kibito's chi and everyone is unsure at his power? And yes, Kibito being on base Gohan's level contradicts the manga, since the former can't even lift the Zeta sword, yet the latter can move it around with some difficulty.