Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread

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The part of Gohan become SSJ2 in Budokai was ignored by Toriyama. Note that in the fight against Dabura, Goku or Vegeta didn't say: "hey, Gohan become SSJ soon and end this fight." There was a terrible retcon.

How is my list of Dragon Ball? I wanted the opinion of you:

Piccolo Daimao ( young )?
Krillin ( 23rd Budokai )?
Yamcha ( 23rd Budokai )?
Cyborg Tao?

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How is my list of Dragon Ball? I wanted the opinion of you:

Piccolo Daimao ( young )?
Krillin ( 23rd Budokai )?
Yamcha ( 23rd Budokai )?
Cyborg Tao?

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1uQq ... 39kOzs/pub

What do you think?

Tenshinhan ( 23rd Budokai ) 220
Piccolo Daimao ( young ) 200
Kuririn ( 23rd Budokai ) 180
Yamcha ( 23rd Budokai ) 165
Cyborg Tao 150

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Piccolo Daimao ( young ): 260
Krillin ( 23rd Budokai ): 195
Yamcha ( 23rd Budokai ): 170
Cyborg Tao: 210

But Piccolo Daimao ( young ) can't be 260; Ten Shin Han ( 23rd Budokai ) is stronger than Piccolo Daimao ( young ), unless Ten lost power in these 5 years.

Tenshinhan ( 23rd TB ) 220
Piccolo Daimao ( young ) 200
Krillin ( 23rd TB ) 180
Yamcha ( 23rd TB ) 166

Looks better, don't you think?

[ahill1]

Tenshinhan ( 23rd TB ) >> Piccolo Daimao ( young )

[ahill1]

Good idea Truhan; but let's see

Piccolo against raditz 408
Piccolo against nappa 3,600 (x9) - 'kay
Piccolo Kaiosama training 7,200 (x2) very low
Piccolo against freeza 120,000 (/0.06) very low
Piccolo before arrival trunks 240,000 very low

I think that it would be better

Piccolo (vs raditz) 408
Piccolo (vs nappa) 3,600 --- x9
Piccolo (kaiosama training) 120,000 --- x33
Piccolo (vs Freeza) 1,200,000 --- x10
Piccolo (trunks arrival) 2,400,000 --- x2

As you can see the increases are not always linear

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Show me your numbers to:

Vegeta (trunks arc)?
Piccolo (trunks arc)?

I currently have:
Vegeta (arrival of trunks) 4,500,000
Piccolo (arrival of trunks) 4,200,000

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Let me try:

Gohan:
~Namek 500,000
~Trunks arrival 500,000
~Versus Androids 9,000,000

Piccolo
~Namek 1,500,000
~Trunks arrival 4,200,000
~Versus Androids 500,000,000

Goku
~Namek 3,000,000
---------SSJ 150,000,000
~Trunks arrival 6,000,000
------------------SSJ 300,000,000
~Versus Androids 12,000,000
---------------------SSJ 600,000,000

Vegeta
~Namek 2,400,000
~Trunks arrival 4,500,000
~Versus Androids 12,500,000
---------------------SSJ 625,000,000

[ahill1]

Future Trunks (trunks arc) has to be way stronger than Goku (nemek). Future Trunks was confident in taking Mecha Frieza in seconds, which was at least on par with Goku SSJ (namek).

[ahill1]

Yes I assume Mecha Frieza was only using half of his power. Even so Trunks told Freeza go to maximum power, and if there's one thing Future Trunks does not do is underestimate your opponent. So he had to be 100% confident of his victory. Akira Toriyama is keen to show that Freeza was nothing more than fodder that time. Something like this:

Goku SSJ ( namek ) 150,000,000
Mecha Freeza ( 100% ) 160,000,000
Future Trunks ( mecha freeza saga ) 240,000,000
Goku SSJ ( mecha freeza saga ) 300,000,000

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Yeah. Piccolo was the most increased their power; Piccolo (potential)> Saiyans base (potential) - all this because of their union with Nail. I do not think Gohan has increased its power at that time, his mother must have forced him to study.

Arrival of Trunks

Gohan 500,000

Piccolo 4,200,000

Vegeta 4,500,000

Future Trunks 4,800,000
~ SSJ 240,000,000

Goku 6,000,000
~ SSJ 300,000,000

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Vegeta is 60% of Goku

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What do you guys think?

Piccolo Daimao ( young ) 200
Kuririn ( 23rd TB ) 180
Yamcha ( 23rd TB ) 166
Cyborg Tao 150
Piccolo Daimao ( old ) 150

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Why Piccolo greatly increases his power during the GT ?? Piccolo does nothing for GT, that's absurd.

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SSJ2FutureGohan, why do you have Yajirobe so weak in your list of Dragon Ball?

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Power Levels


Raditz arc

Spoiler:

Farmer 5

Roshi 60

Yajirobe 136

Chaozu 136

Yamcha 177

Kuririn 206

Tenshinhan 250

Mr Popo 275

Kami 310

Piccolo
~Weighted 322
~W/o Weights 408
~Makankôsappô 1,330

Son Goku
~Weighted 334
~W/o weights 416
~Kamehame-ha 924

Raditz 1,250

Enma 2,500

Kaio 3,500

Vegeta arc

Spoiler:

Yajirobe 600

Chaos 1,000

Son Gohan 1,200

Saibaiman 1,200

Yamcha 1,350

Kuririn 1,500

Tenshinhan 1,800
~Kikoho 2,400

Piccolo 2,250

Son Gohan ( Enranged ) 2,500
~Masenko 2,800

Nappa
~Initial 3,500
~Full power 8,000

Son Goku
~base 8,050
~Kaioken 16,100
~Kaioken x3 24,150
~Kaioken x4 32,200

Vegeta 18,000

Namek arc

Spoiler:

Kuririn
~Weighted 1,500
~W/o Weights 1,750

Son Gohan 1,500

Nameks warriors 3,000

Cui 18,000

Dodoria 20,000

Zarbon
~Normal 22,000
~Transformed 28,000

Vegeta
~Initial 24,000
~Zenkai 29,600

Ginyu arc part 1

Spoiler:

Gurd 8,000

Kuririn 11,000

Son Gohan 12,000

Vegeta 29,600

Recoome 40,000

Burter 40,000

Jeice 40,000

Ginyu
~Initial 66,000
~Full power 120,000

Son Goku
~Vs ginyus 66,000
~Full power 90,000
~Kaioken 180,000

Ginyu arc part 2

Spoiler:

Ginyu Goku 23,000

Kuririn 23,000

Son Gohan 26,000

Jeice 40,000

Nail 42,000

Vegeta 50,000

Freeza arc part 1

Spoiler:

Kuririn 200,000

Son Gohan 250,000

Piccolo
~Weighted 275,000
~W/o Weights 300,000

Vegeta 500,000

Freeza ( 1st form ) 530,000

Freeza arc part 2

Spoiler:

Son Gohan 250,000
~Enranged 1,000,000

Freeza ( 2nd form )
~Initial 1,060,000
~Vs Gohan 1,200,000
~Full power 1,400,000

Piccolo ( Fused W/ Nail )
~Weighted 1,250,000
~W/o Weights 1,500,000

Son Gohan ( zenkai ) 500,000
~Enranged 1,600,000
~Masenko 1,800,000

Freeza ( 3rd form ) 1,850,000

Vegeta ( zenkai ) 2,400,000

Freeza ( True form )
~Initial 2,400,000
~Speedup 3,250,000
~50% 70,000,000
~70% 98,000,000
~100% 140,000,000

Son Goku
~base 3,000,000
~Kaioken x10 30,000,000
~Kaioken x20 60,000,000
~Super Saiyajin 150,000,000

Trunks arc

Spoiler:

Yamcha 150,000

Tenshinhan 200,000

Kuririn 250,000

Son Gohan 500,000

Piccolo 4,000,000

Vegeta 4,400,000

King Cold 75,000,000

Mecha Freeza
~Suppressed 80,000,000
~Full power ( unseen ) 160,000,000

Mirai Trunks
~base 4,800,000
~Super Saiyajin 240,000,000

Son Goku
~base 5,600,000
~Super Saiyajin 280,000,000

Future arc

Spoiler:

Son Gohan ( 2 arms )
~base 3,400,000
~Super Saiyajin 170,000,000

Son Gohan ( 1 arm )
~base 4,400,000
~Super Saiyajin 220,000,000

Android 18 480,000,000

Android 17
~40% 200,000,000
~100% 500,000,000

Androids arc

Spoiler:

Yamcha 4,000,000

Tenshinhan 5,000,000

Kuririn 6,000,000

Son Gohan 8,000,000

Android 19 260,000,000
~Post Absorption 330,000,000

Android 20 290,000,000
~Post Absorption 350,000,000

Piccolo 400,000,000

Mirai Trunks
~base 9,000,000
~Super Saiyajin 450,000,000

Son Goku
~base 9,600,000
~Super Saiyajin 480,000,000
~Super Saiyajin sick 330,000,000

Vegeta
~base 10,000,000
~Super Saiyajin 500,000,000

Android 18 720,000,000

Android 17 800,000,000

Cell arc

Spoiler:

Imperfect Cell ( initial ) 615,000,000

Kamiccolo
~Weighted 720,000,000
~W/o Weights 800,000,000

Imperfect Cell ( post Absorptions ) 1,600,000,000

Android 16 1,600,000,000

Semi Cell 3,250,000,000

Vegeta ( post rosat )
~base 65,000,000
~Super Saiyajin 3,250,000,000
~Super Saiyajin Dai Ni Dankai 6,500,000,000

Semi Cell ( full power ) 4,875,000,000

Mirai Trunks
~base 60,000,000
~Super Saiyajin 3,000,000,000
~Super Saiyajin Dai Ni Dankai 6,000,000,000
~Super Saiyajin Dai San Dankai 12,000,000,000

Perfect Cell
~initial 5,785,000,000
~Warm up 10,000,000,000

Son Goku
~base 720,000,000
~Super Saiyajin ( 50% ) 18,000,000,000

Cell Games

Spoiler:

Androis 16 1,600,000,000

Kamiccolo 20,000,000,000

Mirai Trunks
~base 465,000,000
~Super Saiyajin 23,250,000,000

Vegeta
~base 480,000,000
~Super Saiyajin 24,000,000,000

Cell Jr 25,000,000,000

Son Goku
~Super Saiyajin ( warm up ) 10,000,000,000
~Super Saiyajin ( 100% ) 36,000,000,000
~Super Saiyajin ( vs Cell Jr ) 15,000,000,000

Perfect Cell
~Warm up 10,000,000,000
~Vs Goku 40,500,000,000
~Vs Gohan 54,000,000,000
~Full power 72,000,000,000
~Zenkai 102,600,000,000

Son Gohan
~base 1,080,000,000
~Super Saiyajin 54,000,000,000
~Super Saiyajin ( 2 ) 108,000,000,000

Buu saga


25th Budokai

Spoiler:

Mr Satan 7

Videl 8

Spopovitch 10

Yamu 10

Yamcha 4,000,000

Kuririn 6,000,000

Android 18 720,000,000

Kamiccolo 22,500,000,000

Son Goten
~base 761,600,000
~Super Saiyajin 38,080,000,000

Trunks
~base 790,000,000
~Super Saiyajin 39,500,000,000

Son Gohan
~base 896,000,000
~Super Saiyajin 44,800,000,000

Babidi arc

Spoiler:

Pocus 600,000,000

Kaioshin 600,000,000

Yakon 1,200,000,000

Dabura 44,800,000,000

Son Gohan Super Saiyajin 44,800,000,000

Vegeta
~base 1,008,000,000
~Super Saiyajin 50,400,000,000
~Super Saiyajin ( 2 ) 100,800,000,000

Fat Buu arc

Spoiler:

Son Goku
~base 1,200,000,000
~Super Saiyajin 60,000,000,000
~Super Saiyajin ( 2 ) 120,000,000,000

Majin Vegeta
~Super Saiyajin 60,000,000,000
~Super Saiyajin ( 2 ) 120,000,000,000

Fat Buu 400,000,000,000

Son Goku Super Saiyajin ( 3 ) 480,000,000,000

Gotenks
~base 144,000,000,000
~Super Saiyajin 576,000,000,000

Fusion arc

Spoiler:

Good Buu 160,000,000,000

Evil Buu 240,000,000,000

Super Buu 600,000,000,000,000

Son Goten ( post rosat )
~base 960,000,000
~Super Saiyajin 48,000,000,000

Trunks ( post rosat )
~base 1,000,000,000
~Super Saiyajin 50,000,000,000

Gotenks ( post rosat )
~base 1,500,000,000,000
~Super Saiyajin 75,000,000,000,000
~Super Saiyajin ( 3 ) 600,000,000,000,000

Mystic Gohan 900,000,000,000,000

Buutenks 1,200,000,000,000,000

Buuhan 1,500,000,000,000,000

Vegetto
~base 60,000,000,000,000
~Super Saiyajin 3,000,000,000,000,000

Buff Buu 750,000,000,000,000

Kid Buu 470,000,000,000

Kid Buu arc

Spoiler:

Vegeta
~base 1,200,000,000
~Super Saiyajin 60,000,000,000
~Super Saiyajin ( 2 ) 120,000,000,000

Good Buu 160,000,000,000

Kid Buu 470,000,000,000

Son Goku
~base 1,200,000,000
~Super Saiyajin 60,000,000,000
~Super Saiyajin ( 2 ) 120,000,000,000
~Super Saiyajin ( 3 ) 480,000,000,000

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22nd TB

Panput 22

Chapa - o 34

Chaozu 38

Yamcha 39

Kuririn 40

Tsuru 55

Roshi 60

Tenshinhan 70

Goku 70


Looks good?

[ahill1]

Android 18 720,000,000
Android 17 800,000,000
Kamiccolo
~Weighted 720,000,000
~W/o Weights 800,000,000
Imperfect Cell 615,000,000
~Post absorptions 1,600,000,000
Android 16 1,600,000,000

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Freeza saga power levels


Kuririn - 304,000

Son Gohan - 380,000
--Enranged - 1,000,000
--Dying - 1,800-
--Healed - 730,000
--Enranged ( 2 ) - 1,900,000
--Masenko - 2,300,000

Piccolo(post merge weighted) - 1,320,000
--W/o Weights - 1,700,000

Vegeta - 498,000
--Massive auto-evolution - 4,500,000

Freeza - 530,000
--Transformed - 1,060,000
--Powered up - 1,272,000
--Full power - 1,590,000
--Transformed again - 2,400,000
--True form initial - 4,500,000
--Speedup(@vegeta) - 7,200,000
--W/o hands - 15,400,000
--50% - 165,000,000
--70% - 231,000,000
--100% - 330,000,000

Son Goku(healed) - 7,000,000
--Kaioken(@ freeza W/o hands) - 14,000,000
--Kaioken x10 - 70,000,000
--Kaioken x 20 - 140,000,000
--Super Saiyajin - 350,000,000

[ahill1]

What is the power level of Vegeta (post dende zenkai)? I have him at 4,000,000.

[ahill1]

Actually I have

Freeza(3rd form) 2,400,000

Vegeta 498,000
--Revival Power-Up 4,000,000

Son Goku 7,000,000